If you want a revolution, this is how to spark it

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If MPs want a revolution, ignoring the result of the EU in/out referendum would be a surefire way to start one...

DAN HODGES: If you want a revolution, this is how to spark it. The people spoke on Brexit - but MPs stuck their fingers in their ears and ignored them. This could get nasty...


By Dan Hodges (a Remainer but also a democrat) For The Mail On Sunday
16 October 2016

What do they think they’re doing? Seriously, what will it take to make our politicians finally understand? Strikes? Civil disobedience? A very British coup? Four months ago the British people did precisely what they were asked to do. They listened to the competing Brexit voices. They weighed up the arguments. And then they went to the polls – 33 million of them – and they delivered their verdict.

I personally didn’t like it. In fact, I argued passionately on these pages against it. But their verdict was clear. ‘We want to leave the European Union,’ they said.

This week their elected politicians delivered their considered response. ‘Not so fast,’ the people’s tribunes replied. ‘We think you’ve got it wrong. But don’t worry your little heads about it. We’ll take it from here.’


A protester in Paris in 1968 when France was crippled by a wave of civil unrest

Of course, it wasn’t presented in those terms.

What MPs wanted was simply some scrutiny of the Brexit process, they said. And who could object to that? Parliamentary scrutiny. It’s what our democracy rests upon, isn’t it? No, it isn’t.

This is what British democracy rests upon. The people express their wishes, and the politicians act upon them. It’s not perfect. Indeed, it has many flaws. But by and large it has served us well for about 300 years. And if the people who sit within the Palace of Westminster don’t come to their senses, that system will be consigned to the dustbin of history.

MPs have been forming an orderly queue to explain to the British people what they had actually voted for. They had not, they were told, voted to leave the European single market. Or end free movement.

Or anything else that could be termed ‘Hard Brexit’. Instead, they had voted for something as yet undetermined. But that didn’t matter. The politicians would do the determining for them. Except there’s a snag. The people did vote for ‘Hard Brexit’. The ballot paper asked: ‘Should the UK remain a member of the EU or leave the EU?’ And they voted to leave the EU.


If the people who sit within the Palace of Westminster don’t come to their senses, that system will be consigned to the dustbin of history

That means leaving the single market and the mechanisms that allow for free movement, and discarding the laws imposed by the European courts. There wasn’t a third option. No Brexit or Hard Brexit were the only choices on the ballot paper. So, again, what do our politicians think they’re doing?

When Ed Miliband – rejected by British voters in one of the most humiliating political rebukes of the modern era – stood up in the Commons and started lecturing the Government about having ‘no mandate’, what was he thinking? Has the man got no self-awareness or humility?

When Michael Gove wrote on Friday that ‘Brexiteers don’t want a brick wall at our border’, how has he got the nerve?

A week before polling day he told me how he could align his own version of Project Fear – including posters warning of Turkish refugees swarming across the channel – with ideals of modern, progressive conservatism.

They were entirely compatible, he said. The key issues showed the Conservative Party understood the concerns of ordinary working Britons.


When Michael Gove wrote on Friday that ‘Brexiteers don’t want a brick wall at our border’, how has he got the nerve?

Now it seems ordinary working Britain can go hang. What we witnessed last week was one of the greatest exercises in denial ever undertaken by the British political class.

The liberal Left – unable to comprehend their world view does not extend beyond the M25 – have convinced themselves that Keir Starmer, the Shadow Brexit Secretary, will come riding over the hill on his white charger, flourishing a list of 170 questions for Ministers in one hand, and a pot of Marmite in the other.

We have heard a lot of talk from MPs about their ‘bottom lines’. But the bottom lines for the British people could not be clearer. They want an end to mass migration. They do not want a conversation about mass migration, or how it will be tempered by restrictions on migrant benefits. They just want it stopped.

And Brexit – through the ending of free movement – is the means by which they have chosen to stop it.

That may be unpalatable to many. But those who ask themselves ‘what sort of country have we become?’ should ask themselves this: ‘What country will we become if our politicians try to mount a revolt against the will of the people?’

Because underpinning this is something else the British people want. On Thursday I was chatting to a senior Remain campaigner.


When Ed Miliband stood up in the Commons and started lecturing the Government about having ‘no mandate’, what was he thinking?

He told me a story from one of their focus groups. ‘They’d been complaining about everything the politicians had taken from them. So I asked, “OK, if you could choose one thing, what would you want the politicians to give you?” There was a long pause, and then this guy – a fireman – put up his hand. “I want them to give me some respect,” he said.’

At the moment people are staring across the Atlantic aghast at the spectacle of Donald Trump laying waste to the US democratic process. ‘Where does someone like Trump come from?’ they ask. This. This is where a Donald Trump comes from. When the people speak and their politicians stick their fingers in their ears and say: ‘We can’t hear you.’

In 2009 a million people voted for the BNP. ‘Are you listening to us?’ they said. In 2015 four million voted for Ukip. ‘Are you listening to us now?’ they said. In June, 17 million voted for Brexit. ‘OK, are you listening to us now?’ they asked.

Our MPs had better come to their senses. Because the British people will not ask again.

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It is extremely frustrating when the elites decide that they know what is best for the vast majority. This is exactly why there is a Trump - I agree wholeheartedly with this article.
 

Danbones

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Politicians are the smoke screen between the people who are stuff and the people who run stuff
and um
Trump's plans seen positively populist compared to hillary and her make war for oil gold zion and arabia...while selling the US uranium to the Russians and US military secrets to the chinese....
But hey...that's what politicians do.

You know when Hillary says she will tax the rich...
that means anyone with a taxable middleclass income less then an offshore tax free minimum deposit would require right?
pay for play

Incidentally all the borders in the mid east were drawm by british politicians and their wealthy masters with ZERO regard for the people there:
Why should the home front be any different?

...and BTW, I agree: some kind of revolt is necessary world wide...
but I doubt it will happen in time to avoid extinction
 
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It is extremely frustrating when the elites decide that they know what is best for the vast majority. This is exactly why there is a Trump - I agree wholeheartedly with this article.

It's what led to the rise of Trump, Ukip and Brexit.

The British people have, for too long now, been ruled by a left-wing, London-centric, liberal elite which sneers at the white working class and likes to ignore people's concerns on subjects such as immigration. In fact, it routinely calls people "racists" just for wanting a cut in immigration (see the 2010 Gillian Duffy affair). That's why Ukip are now the country's third-largest party - it shares the public's concerns over immigration and rightly sees leaving the EU as the only way go get back full control of our borders.

17,410,742 people voted to leave the EU on Thursday 23rd June - more people than have ever voted for anything in Britain's long history. But still there are some bitter Remainer clowns in parliament who are STILL trying to ignore the wishes of the people and wanting this great exercise in democracy overturned! One reason why Brexit occurred is because the people are angry at their concerns being ignored by MPs and Lords - and yet many of those clowns in parliament still want to ignore us and pretend that the vote for Brexit didn't happen.

In the 17th Century the country was rocked by a civil war between the Cavaliers and the Roundheads. If politicians keep Britain in the EU against the wishes of the people then there will likely be another civil war, this time fought between Brexiteers and Remainers.
 

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You ain't getting a revolution with those demographics.

Of course, such stats should be taken with a pinch of salt because the voting in the referendum was private and there's no way of knowing who, for definite, voted one way or the other.

Taking the extremes of age, 73 per cent of 18-24 years voted Remain, while 60 per cent of those aged over 65 voted Leave. Hence the narrative that the pro-EU youth of our society have had their futures ruined by OAPs who don’t have to live with the consequences. What proportion of Leave and Remain voters are aged 18-24? Three per cent and eight per cent respectively. What proportion are aged over 65? Twenty-eight per cent and 20 per cent. Not such a good headline is it? In fact, according to this poll, the 65+ is the largest (modal) group in both the Leave and Remain vote. Another inconvenient perspective on the stats that gets in the way of a good story.

Gary Bennett: Stop blaming the old and the ignorant for Brexit – the statistics just don’t support these myths | Conservative Home

The stats you posted also fail to take into account the fact that most young people - who have been force-fed pro-EU propaganda at school - didn't even bother to vote in the referendum. So not only does it mean that many, many young Leavers likely didn't vote but that young Remainers who couldn't be bothered dragging themselves out of bed before the polling stations closed at 10pm cannot now complain about the result.

Having said that, if parliament overturns the democratic will of the British people then there WILL be a revolution, both on the streets and at the ballot box (a Ukip government likely being elected). And these don't just have to be the Leave majority - a good many Remainers who will also be dismayed at the attack on British democracy will also, no doubt, join the revolution, too.
 

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Are you saying that young people didn't vote enough and so the fact that those who did voted overwhelming to remain is not significant?
 

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Are you saying that young people didn't vote enough and so the fact that those who did voted overwhelming to remain is not significant?

It has been estimated that only around a third - 36% - of 18-24 year olds (the age group who, in the 1980s, would have been against something like the EU but who now largely think the corrupt, undemocratic EU is the greatest thing since the invention of sliced bread thanks to several years of EU-funded pro-EU indoctrination at school) bothered to take themselves to their polling station and vote in the referendum. So that not only makes it hypocritical of these Millennials to complain about the result and take to the streets in protest but it will also mean that a huge number of Millennial Leavers didn't vote, either. Had more Millennials voted then the 18-24 year olds may have not appeared to be quite as supportive of Remain.

But the proportion of each age group that voted either way is immaterial, just as it is in a General Election. The fact is that 52% of the British people voted Leave - and there are many who believe that many of those who voted Remain are actually Leavers and only voted Remain because they were intimidated into voting that way by Remainers, otherwise it could well have been something like 65-35 would have voted for Leave. 81% of voters apparently felt intimidated by the Remain camp during the referendum.
 

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really illustrates the effect the EU and globalism has on the peeps doesn't it?
IMHO the non involvement of youth is a troubling tell
 

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Oh, it's the 'elites and the establishment are taking everything away' argument again.
 

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I don't see why Brexit is so complicated for a politician?In one sence, the vote ought to make things easier for him. He can vote for hard Brexit and if the economy tanks as a result, he can legitimately say that he was just carrying out the wishes of the people. For most politicians, that would be a dream come true.

Now get on with Brexit and get it over with, damn it!