I "died" in Jerusalem in 1276

[mabudon]

I must give props to hermanntrude for saying what was only a notion in the back of my mind

I have not heard ONE past-life story that was totally plain, they're always "romantic", and if I think of all the folks I know and assume that they will all be re-incarnated, I imagine a bunch of largely dull sessions- "Well, my first job was at McDonalds in my past-life- the economy colapsed in my area and being too poor to move elsewhere, I ended up working at a callcentre trying to sell old people useless features on their phone service"

Dunno if folks would actually pay money for that tho

 

[typingrandomstuff]

I missed something. Kum. The person is experiencing a psychological change. When one person thinks he or she become another person, he or she has a different memory. The memory lets the person to feel like a reincarnation. I posted the other reincarnation stuff in the first message of pg. 2.

After life definitions depend on culture and religion. I can't type anything more or anything less. I am giving this answer for free. It's not for sale.

 

[eanassir]

Reincarnation. That's a hard one. I keep on thinking about it and I only come up with the following non-religious answer...

A person can be similar to another person by physical appearance. I will call this person A. Person A want to be a reincarnation of Person B. Person A decide to copy person B. Person A can only be Person B if...
a) everyone allows it
b) the environment is suitable
c) A want to be B
d) Person A must have the exact memories of Person B
e) Person A is slightly different from Person B (In terms of physical difference)... The difference is not noticeable. People ignores this difference. Then Person A easily becomes Person B's reincarnation.

Religious Aspects
The prophets predict the exact date and birth of such a person.
Religious text combines some facts and people's beliefs to create their definition of reincarnation. To every religion, the reincarnation is often the afterlife of a powerful and wise spirit.

Such explanation is not logical; the bodies are different and the memories are different; moreover how can the soul of an adult mature man imprison himself in the body of a little baby until he becomes old enough that the soul will have comfort at occupying the new strange body?​

In case you say the soul will come to occupy another man's body when this latter is mature, then where will the soul of the latter go?​

All this is not logical and only it is an illusion; nothing of that is in any heavenly book: whether the Torah, the Gospel or the Quran.​

On the contrary, this is contradicted in the Quran 56: 60-62

نَحْنُ قَدَّرْنَا بَيْنَكُمُ الْمَوْتَ وَمَا نَحْن ُبِمَسْبُوقِينَ . عَلَى أَن نُّبَدِّلَ أَمْثَالَكُمْ وَنُنشِئَكُمْ فِي مَا لَاتَعْلَمُونَ​

The explanation: (60- We mete out death among you, but We are unprecedented,
61- To exchange [new bodies:] the likes of you, and to transfigure you [again] into [these new bodies] that you know not about [their creation.]
62- And you have known the first formation [of the embryo and the child growth,] why then do you not consider?)

Therefore, His saying - be exalted -

وَمَا نَحْن ُبِمَسْبُوقِينَ . عَلَى أَن نُّبَدِّلَ أَمْثَالَكُمْ​

i.e. (but We are unprecedented, To exchange [new bodies:] the likes of you.) It means: We had not done it before: that We bring dead bodies back to life, as you think, and form some souls of your like, but you say some words that you do not know and that are untrue; so that you say, as it is mentioned in the Quran, 36: 78

مَنْ يُحْيِي الْعِظَامَ وَهِيَ رَمِيمٌ ؟​

The explanation: ( 'Who is that can revive bones when they are rotten!?');

and you think that man is the material body, but if you have precise knowledge, then you will realize that the [true] man is the ethereal soul, and you will realize that there is no need to revive and bring the material body back to life again.

There is no transmigration of souls​

eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io​

 

[typingrandomstuff]

I say two very similar physical bodies. It means a person looking like another person can have the chance of becoming a reincarnation. I believe memories create souls. If you can remember exactly how the reincarnation feels and do exactly the reincarnation, you can become the reincarnation. It doesn't make the soul less significant. Eanassir explains things in a religious way. I did both. I want to skip this definition because it creates confusion. In different cultures and religions, the soul is a different interpretation.

 

[typingrandomstuff]

The bodies are believed to be the same. Reincarnations can have different bodies. In Hindu, Vishnu has many different bodies. A soul can copy another soul and still be the original soul. I can copy another person; I am still me.

 

[eanassir]

I say two very similar physical bodies. It means a person looking like another person can have the chance of becoming a reincarnation. I believe memories create souls. If you can remember exactly how the reincarnation feels and do exactly the reincarnation, you can become the reincarnation. It doesn't make the soul less significant. Eanassir explains things in a religious way. I did both. I want to skip this definition because it creates confusion. In different cultures and religions, the soul is a different interpretation.

There can't be very similar bodies, unless they are identical twins; moreover where will the soul of the second one go? Will he die? Or will they exchange bodies? All this does not rely on any sound basis in any heavenly book: neither the Torah, nor the Gospel nor the Quran.​

 

[eanassir]

The bodies are believed to be the same. Reincarnations can have different bodies. In Hindu, Vishnu has many different bodies. A soul can copy another soul and still be the original soul. I can copy another person; I am still me.

They can say whatever they like; but this is not one of the heavenly religions; and at best it might have been heavenly initially (if their teachings are to worship God alone without any associate). But the friendship between Muslims and Christians is deeply established:

The friendship and love between Christians and Muslims​

This friendship is so deep in our Islamic countries; all Christians and Muslims and all others are patriots; they love each other as neighbors and friends. ​

This friendship between Christians and Muslims is based on strong ties: both are patriots in addition to their believing in God Most Gracious, in Jesus Christ and the Holy Gospel.​

Muslims also respect Mary: mother of Jesus, and they honor her, and do not accept that anyone speaks badly about her honor. She is the example to all the world in chastity, honor and devotion to God Most Gracious. ​

In addition to that, the teachings of Jesus Christ instruct Christians to the good manner and conduct in the way of loving people; and the clergymen and monks among Christians do always enjoin on people the mercy and forgiveness and the pardoning of each other.​

Christians in general are not proud over listening to the truth wherever it is.​

All this is in the Quran 5: 82​

وَلَتَجِدَنَّ أَقْرَبَهُمْ مَّوَدَّةً لِّلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ الَّذِينَ قَالُوَاْ إِنَّا نَصَارَى ذَلِكَ بِأَنَّ مِنْهُمْ قِسِّيسِينَ وَرُهْبَانًا وَأَنَّهُمْ لاَ يَسْتَكْبِرُونَ​

The explanation:
(And you will surely find the nearest of [people], in love to the believers, those who say: "We are Christians"; ​

that is, because some of them are priests and monks, and they wax not proud.)​

 

[franc]

Of course this is right.​

Moreover, the soul is a true copy of the body in which it has been formed; it is identical with its body; so that if we see the soul of a certain man we shall recognize him according to his shape in his material body.

The soul cannot enter unless in its body in which it was formed and to which it conincides exactly.

Then how could it be possible that the soul will imprison herself in a body of a very little baby, then this will take so many years, and the second body will be different from the first body in which it was formed!? ​

Therefore, the transmigration of souls cannot happen and is a false and fabricated imaginatory idea.
There is no transmigration of souls​

eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io​

So if the soul is essentially indistinguishable from the body, why would one need the concept? Dualism just adds unnecessary complication.

 

[scratch]

So if the soul is essentially indistinguishable from the body, why would one need the concept? Dualism just adds unnecessary complication.

First you have to have a soul. I do not. If I ever did, it wasn't apparent to me.

 

[eanassir]

So if the soul is essentially indistinguishable from the body, why would one need the concept?

The soul is a distinct entity.
The soul is the true man; the body is only a shield that the soul wears to protect it from the external harmful material factors like the loud sound, the wind ...etc. The body is like the suit that one wears, then when it becomes old and torn up, the man will discard it away, but the man is still alive: as such the soul will depart from the decayed dead body and will go to live his everlasting spiritual life that will follow death.

However, as I said in my past reply to this thread on page 1 on May 22nd, 2008, 10:27 PM :

There is a political and religious purpose about this article, originally written by David and Danny.

This is obvious in their claim that one lived in Jerusalem at the time of the end of the Crusade war, and was burnt; this is an evident fabrication.

This is only to stir others against the Islam and Muslims: if they had said: they killed him by the sword, it might have been more acceptable; because burning is not recognized with the Muslims other than slaying with the sword, may be.
The burning to death was the act of Europe in the Medieval Ages.The other thing: some of them tells non-logical story: he went above the Earth planet, then saw the earth rotate in the opposite direction; another said he went to the year 1276 exactly. Another said he spoke with two personalities; another still said that things have been said to him.If you study the article or the essay, you will notice that the purpose is to tell that he was a monk in Jerusalem and was burnt to death by Muslims; and "As a monk in a city of Muslims, my chances of surviving the coming assault were slim" as did he say. The other points are only stuffed in the subject.

This is so evident it is directed at inserting some hatred and enmity between Christians and Muslims, even by fabricated stories of something false and untrue which is the reincarnation or the transmigration of souls.
​

While in fact, Muslims are very near to Christians in friendship and love: and both of them believe in Jesus Christ, and Muslims do respect Jesus and his mother the honest woman Mary; in addition Muslims deeply believe that the Gospel was revealed from God Almighty.

A Call from God to the People of the Bible

A Call to Christians​

 

[typingrandomstuff]

Um. I saw a person looking like another person. The first person and the second person shared a common ancestor. The ancestor has hidden genes. The genes are not expressed in the family until years later. When the hidden gene is expressed, one person look like another person. Sometimes girls look like their mothers. They are very similar in physical appearance. After the people die, their soul naturally goes to the next person who has similar memories and physical appearances. The soul of the second one or the next person still remains. The second one or the next person does not die. The first soul simply is with the second soul.

Yes. Hinduism isn't considered as holy by some people. Hinduism still reveals the truth about religion. I guess some people even want to eliminate Hinduism. The religions helped the Indians. The religion is still important. I understand eanassir does not like this: I explain things without a religious slant or reference.

I don't take references because the situation remind me of the middle east wars. At first, every people in the middle east is happy. They love their Islamic religions. Then, they started to do what eanassir is doing: using biblical references to prove that their opinion is fact. This creates confusion. The confusion eventually leads to chaos and wars. A series of political "wrongdoers" ,I quote from the Quran, uses the biblical references to prove that their opinions are true. It is such a common practice that some middle east people decide to ditch the Quran. The Quran is a very good book to read, however I will not believe anything it says.

I don't like wars. At least, I don't like to understand wars caused by religion and opinions. It makes the religion look unholy and the opinions stink. If you think I am accusing you, then it is your invention. I will not type any less or more than I have to.

 

[typingrandomstuff]

When the second soul dies, the first and second soul exits the body. If a person can have the condition to allow the first and the second soul, the first and second soul will go there. If there are no such options, the souls will either be in their worlds such as heaven or hover around until the souls are content. The hovering souls are mostly ghosts and holy spirit gods/goddesses. Souls in places like heavens are content and happy.

Reincarnations are souls who wanted to accomplish something on earth. If a person dies and wants revenge, most of the physical parts will die. Some parts of the physical can still communicate with normal people and cause the normal people to do their biddings. Then a person's soul will wait for an opportunity to commence the action of revenge. While the soul is waiting for the opportunity, the soul wanders around. When the soul find the right conditions, the soul enters the body. The soul do the stuff and then leaves the body. Right conditions are again as follows:
A person can be similar to another person by physical appearance. I will call this person A. Person A want to be a reincarnation of Person B. Person A decide to copy person B. Person A can only be Person B if...
a) everyone allows it
b) the environment is suitable
c) A want to be B
d) Person A must have the exact memories of Person B
e) Person A is slightly different from Person B (In terms of physical difference)... The difference is not noticeable. People ignores this difference. Then Person A easily becomes Person B's reincarnation.

I typed mind and physical. Yes. They are the major two. The other ones are important, however I assume people already knows that stuff. After this post, I will change this.

 

[franc]

The soul is a distinct entity.
The soul is the true man; the body is only a shield that the soul wears to protect it from the external harmful material factors like the loud sound, the wind ...etc. The body is like the suit that one wears, then when it becomes old and torn up, the man will discard it away, but the man is still alive: as such the soul will depart from the decayed dead body and will go to live his everlasting spiritual life that will follow death.

I was led to believe that the soul was immortal, and that only the body is privy to harm by "earthly" things.

 

[Hazmart]

I have had 2 recurring dreams in my life - one of them is like a movie that just loops the same scene over and over - I am being purposefully drowned. My head is literally being held under water, in a stream. I'm panicking. I hit that point where I must inhale - and I know it's going to be my last breath - except it ISN'T. I find myself breathing air - underwater - at which time I start laughing at the foolish person who thinks they're killing me, and then I wake up.

Zan I have also had a dream very similar to yours about the water. I just started having it over the last couple of years. Mine starts all peaceful, just swimming, no where specific and then I just can't get up to air and feel like I am going to drown and take a lung full of water but it's actually not water, I am fine and feel very free underwater.
I just thought that it had something to do with my fear of water. When I was 8 at camp I got kicked in the stomach when I was under water in the pool and nearly drown. I didn't go into water again until I was 18 in New Zealand and took up SCUBA diving. I was on my last dive in a cove off Kapity Island when the tide was coming in, something happened that because the tide was coming in there was an underwater cave going from one side of the Island to the other but at moment there was an insane suction and I was literally sucked into the cave and out the other side of the island and then out to sea. The suction was so strong that water filled my mask and my mouth and purging the regulator was nearly impossible.
Anyway that is the very short version of the story but the point is I always put my dream to that experience since I had never had the dream before that I could remember. When I take the breath in the dream and realize that I am fine I feel so peaceful and content!

 

[Outta here]

wow Hazmart - I've never heard of anyone else having a similar dream. I haven't had it for a very long time and I was just a kid when it started - really young, maybe 3 or 4, so I've no idea what may have been the catalyst... I do remember though that the bigger impact of the dream was around the fact that somebody was trying to harm me.

Glad you managed to get through that diving experience though - that must have been terrifying in the moment. How did you manage to come out of that ok?

 

[Hazmart]

Glad you managed to get through that diving experience though - that must have been terrifying in the moment. How did you manage to come out of that ok?

Terrifying is right! I guess to fully explain the outcome you would need to know the whole situation, so here it is. This was my 4th and final dive, the previous 3 were just shore dives and went fine. this last dive was a off a boat in a cove on Kapity Island. There were 12 of us students and 4 instructors. I had my own instructor, Haydon, because I was so slow compared to everyone else, so we were the last to start descending (because I freaked out every time I put my head in the water and breathed with the regulator, I always had to calm myself down first) So anyway everyone else but me and Haydon had already descended and were fine, we started to descend and were down about half way when we noticed that we were drifting close to the rock walls, we tried to swim towards the others but couldn't suddenly (everything moved really fast from here) we were moving really fast into the rocks and down a cave, not to far into the cave Haydon must have caught something to hold on to, I came flying past him and caught onto his gauges (which are attached to the top of his air tank!) I have to point out that at this point on I was completely panicking and hyperventilating, So here we were in this cave, holding on for dear life picture those saturday morning cartoons where the characters are holding onto a wall and being sucked into something, that is exactly what was happening. Anyway, so the suction was so strong that it was pushing water into my mask and into my mouth, I couldn't clear my mask, I couldn't purge the regulator so I couldn't get a good breath between trying to cough. Haydon was trying to get me to let go of his gauges but I was not letting go so he let go and we flew through the cave. It didn't take long until we came out the other side, we tried grabbing the grasses or anything but nothing would hold so we just had to go with the suction which went on for a while . It finally let off and we could swim, Haydon was trying to calm me down and all I would do was signal to go up (which is a thumbs up) he would try to communicate something and I would just throw my thumb in his face, nearly punching him! LOL anyway we did end up going to the surface but he must have inflated my BCD because I sure as heck didn't. Anyway we got to the surface and I very clearly remember when I removed my mask to make sure that I put it around my neck and not on my forehead because that was a sign of a distressed diver LOL. Anyway we were really far out and around the island, we had to swim over some and then started swimming back because no one knew where we were. So we swam back, by the time we got to shore I was exhausted but we had to get on shore with all of our gear, the tide was still coming in so it would push us onto the rocks but then was it would go out it would pull us off again, I was just trying to hold on and as I slid down the rocks sliced my hands up really good, I even got a could cuts on my face when I put my head down once, we finally got on shore, my hands were literally dripping blood, I couldn't even stand up, I had to take off all my weights and my tank, my flippers, everything I was exhausted. So finally on shore, stripped of all gear, we had to walk around the island back to the boat, everyone else was back on the boat and they were just about to call for help to look for us! Haydon and I were really lucky though because when we were in the cave it changes depth very quickly, we went from 18 (I can't remember if it is feet or meters probably feet) for 39 I think and back up again. Also it turns out that the other instructors knew that this happens but Haydon had never dived this spot before and all the others had already descended so no one warned us. So that was the last time I dived! lol so much for getting past fear! maybe another day!

 

[typingrandomstuff]

Thanks Hazmart. I think.

 

[gopher]

I kinda believe in reincarnation and thought myself to have been traveller/scholar Yehuda Halevi in an earlier life.

 

[scratch]

I kinda believe in reincarnation and thought myself to have been traveller/scholar Yehuda Halevi in an earlier life.

this is my fourth.....its okay

 

[typingrandomstuff]

Sure. I once thought I was suppose to be the reincarnation of an awful executioner.