How to deal with DHS tyranny.

[Goober]

Say "no" and miss your flight is different than sitting in your car. They use that against people.


How many terrorists have been caught in these unconstitutional Nazi style road stops?

The checkpoints are looking for illegals. You know that as well as I do.

Similar to when they raided meat plants and removed illegal workers up till the plant nearly closes costing millions in lost revenue, farmers lose a buyer for cattle, pigs, chickens etc.
Then they stopped the sweeps.

Funny how things work.

 

[darkbeaver]

Canadians do the same things, the mounties are getting lessons in law as well. Make the police your friends remind them where the money comes from and where they live.

 

[Goober]

You have a right to travel without being diddled.

And Airport Security is a reasonable infringement on that right. Big difference.

 

[petros]

The checkpoints are looking for illegals. You know that as well as I do.

Funny how things work.

50 miles from a border or a on state lines? What is the probable cause for stopping a 60 year old white couple in a BMW?

 

[gerryh]

The checkpoints are looking for illegals. You know that as well as I do.
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Really? I went through "check points" in California that had nothing to do with "illegals".

 

[Goober]

50 miles from a border or a on state lines? What is the probable cause for stopping a 60 year old white couple in a BMW?

I was referring to Airport Security.
Loved the part where the Officer was going to deport him back to a US State.

Really? I went through "check points" in California that had nothing to do with "illegals".

They have set up many looking for illegals.

 

[petros]

Really? I went through "check points" in California that had nothing to do with "illegals".

Well that's because you're a terrorist.

I was referring to Airport Security.
Loved the part where the Officer was going to deport him back to a US State.



They have set up many looking for illegals.

That is just an excuse for tyranny. There is no such thing as illegal alien terrorist fruit.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

50 miles from a border or a on state lines? What is the probable cause for stopping a 60 year old white couple in a BMW?

Actually, for a brief detention and pat-down, the standard is "reasonable, articulable suspicion that the person has committed or is about to commit a crime." Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968 ).

 

[Goober]

Actually, for a brief detention and pat-down, the standard is "reasonable, articulable suspicion that the person has committed or is about to commit a crime." Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968 ).

And if they do that 30 times at a check stop it then becomes unreasonable if no charges are laid.

Checking citizenship inside the borders, on a public roadway is not a reasonable infringement of a Citizens rights.

 

[BaalsTears]

That would mean yanking the 4th amendment and tyranny would be considered reasonable cause.

We have become a herd of cattle interested in grazing and screwing. We stampede when lightening flashes and thunder booms.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

And if they do that 30 times at a check stop it then becomes unreasonable if no charges are laid.

Checking citizenship inside the borders, on a public roadway is not a reasonable infringement of a Citizens rights.

Absolutely. The agents in the video did not have reasonable suspicion for a Terry stop. I was simply pointing out that the standard is not probable cause, but reasonable suspicion.

 

[Goober]

Absolutely. The agents in the video did not have reasonable suspicion for a Terry stop. I was simply pointing out that the standard is not probable cause, but reasonable suspicion.

I realize that. I was clarifying the point. Police in Canada have the same right to reasonably detain a person(s).

 

[petros]

Actually, for a brief detention and pat-down, the standard is "reasonable, articulable suspicion that the person has committed or is about to commit a crime." Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968 ).

Yeah, tyranny should be accepted, if you don't accept it you're with the terrorists.

I realize that. I was clarifying the point. Police in Canada have the same right to reasonably detain a person(s).

With probable cause.

Checking citizenship inside the borders, on a public roadway is not a reasonable infringement of a Citizens rights.

Yeah it is. What's next? Let them into your house so you can prove you aren't a terrorist?