How the Ultrasound Pushed the Idea That a Fetus Is a Person

[Locutus]

Today, The Atlantic ran a bizarre piece by Moira Weigel titled, in Orwellian fashion, “How the Ultrasound Pushed the Idea That a Foetus Is a Person.” Which is somewhat like saying, “How the Microscope Pushed the Idea That Cells Exist,” or “How the Hubble Telescope Pushed the Idea That There Are Stars Outside Our Solar System.” […] But Weigel goes even further, assuring readers that ultrasounds were primarily a form of warfare against women rather than a tool allowing doctors to identify problems with foetal development as early as possible.



“What is a foetal heartbeat?” asks Ms Weigel. “And why does it matter?” As we’ve seen, pregnancy is a subject that leaves some feminists looking not only disingenuous but actually monstrous.




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https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...ound-woman-pregnancy/514109/?utm_source=atltw

 

[Locutus]

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https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/01/ultrasound-woman-pregnancy/514109/ …

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/01/ultrasound-woman-pregnancy/514109/

 

[Hoof Hearted]

The 'fetus isn't a human being' argument doesn't jive with me. We were all just the size of a pea once.

But I still believe in a woman's right to choose, so I suppose I'm a walking contradiction on this issue.

 

[Walter]

Had my first ultrasound yesterday. Doc thinks I may have gall stones but I retorted, "Wouldn't I be in pain?" He said yes, but you never know. I know my dad had his gall bladder removed when he was around my age. We'll see.

 

[DaSleeper]

Gall stones are nothing compared to kidney stones!

 

[Serryah]

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Let's play a game, leftists. It's called: when is it okay to kill this baby?

Poor Ben.


If that 'baby' is going to kill the mother, if there's a choice, then yes, abort the child when you have to, regardless of time to birth.


If the 'baby' is going to survive only minutes outside the womb, then yes, aborting is a wiser, and more humane, choice.


Otherwise, it's not any of Ben's business when it's 'okay'.

 

[gerryh]

Poor Ben.
If that 'baby' is going to kill the mother, if there's a choice, then yes, abort the child when you have to, regardless of time to birth.
If the 'baby' is going to survive only minutes outside the womb, then yes, aborting is a wiser, and more humane, choice.
Otherwise, it's not any of Ben's business when it's 'okay'.

So, it's never Ben's choice, but YOU are allowed to state choices. Interesting.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Today, The Atlantic ran a bizarre piece by Moira Weigel titled, in Orwellian fashion, “How the Ultrasound Pushed the Idea That a Foetus Is a Person.” Which is somewhat like saying, “How the Microscope Pushed the Idea That Cells Exist,” or “How the Hubble Telescope Pushed the Idea That There Are Stars Outside Our Solar System.” […] But Weigel goes even further, assuring readers that ultrasounds were primarily a form of warfare against women rather than a tool allowing doctors to identify problems with foetal development as early as possible.
“What is a foetal heartbeat?” asks Ms Weigel. “And why does it matter?” As we’ve seen, pregnancy is a subject that leaves some feminists looking not only disingenuous but actually monstrous.
Ben Shapiro Verified account ‏@benshapiro
Let's play a game, leftists. It's called: when is it okay to kill this baby?

read on
'The Atlantic' Mourns That Women Aren't Aborting Their Kids After Seeing Ultrasounds | Daily Wire
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...ound-woman-pregnancy/514109/?utm_source=atltw

Depends. If it's Black, up until the 141st trimester, at least.

 

[petros]

Depends. If it's Black, up until the 141st trimester, at least.

Thank you Planned Eugenics...oops I mean Parenthood.

 

[Serryah]

So, it's never Ben's choice, but YOU are allowed to state choices. Interesting.

No, it's not Ben's choice. Ever.


He can give input and opinion if the fetus is his, but that's 'bout it.


That said, he asked the question "When is it okay..." and I gave my opinion of answers.


In the end, it's not up to anyone but the woman involved.

Hey, be happy I don't think that using abortion as a form of birth control is acceptable.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Thank you Planned Eugenics...oops I mean Parenthood.

 

[gerryh]

No, it's not Ben's choice. Ever.
He can give input and opinion if the fetus is his, but that's 'bout it.
That said, he asked the question "When is it okay..." and I gave my opinion of answers.
In the end, it's not up to anyone but the woman involved.
Hey, be happy I don't think that using abortion as a form of birth control is acceptable.

Vast majority of abortions performed do not fall under what you have said was "ok". Your idea that it's up to the murderer only is flawed.

 

[Serryah]

Vast majority of abortions performed do not fall under what you have said was "ok". Your idea that it's up to the murderer only is flawed.

No, they don't.


But then again it's not my business.


That's how I would like abortion to be 'only considered'.


Other women feel differently.


Again, not my business.


It's your opinion it's murder.

 

[gerryh]

No, they don't.
But then again it's not my business.
That's how I would like abortion to be 'only considered'.
Other women feel differently.
Again, not my business.
It's your opinion it's murder.

What would you call the purposeful killing of another human?

 

[petros]

She is kinda pro life and kinda pro choice but with limits. I'll take that as an on side.

 

[Serryah]

What would you call the purposeful killing of another human?

I'd call it murder.


When you're talking a fetus however, that's dependent on how you view the fetus.


While I realize there are those like you who believe the instant a sperm/egg are joined it's a person (or something similar to that thought process), others don't see them as a person until they're outside the womb.


And because of that, my beliefs don't matter overall to either side.


For me personally, I could never abort a child unless there is an issue with them or myself.

 

[petros]

Person and human are completely different. Person is a legal status.

There is only two justifiable scenarios that dont qualify as vanity or selfishness (2 reason that cant be justified) and you hit both them.