How the liberals made Britain ashamed of being Great

Blackleaf

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Nice piece of revisionist history. You need to read a real history book or two.

Dear oh dear. You should do your research, pal, and you'll find I'm right. Try googling. That'll help. Stop reading your North American romanticised version of your history.


As an observation, I suggest the following; the British army would do very well to spend less time designing ridiculous head gear that is only effective in providing a visible target and more time preparing for an actual fight... .

Yeah. They should have got with the times, those British soldiers. They should have been like those Yanks and Frogs who were wearing kevlar body armour and khaki in the 1770s.

loling at all the pics of the Brit army handing over their weapons, hanging their heads and leaving the field in disgrace. I never really knew that there were so many losses before.

I don't know why you are laughing. The colonials lost MORE battles than the British did, and that was without the British sending reinforcements to outnumber the colonials (another War of Independence myth believed by Americans - because that is what they are taught - is that the colonials won against a vastly numerically superior foe. The REALITY is that it was the British who were vastly outnumbered, yet still won most of the battles).

Here are some figures for that conflict:

PEAK TOTAL NUMBER OF TROOPS INVOLVED

British: 15,200
Colonials: 46,500

TOTAL DEAD

British: 4,675
Colonials: 23,000

As for the number of battles each side won and lost, this website shows you all the battles and which side won each one. Scroll down and look at all the beautiful Union Flags and Loyalist flags. There are MUCH more of them than American flags. I haven't counted, but it's plain to see that the British and their Loyalist and German allies won the vast majority of the battles. Great examples of embarrassing Yankee defeats include the outnumbered British driving the rebels into a swamp; the British defeat the rebels to such an extent at Brandywine that 40% of the rebels were killed; Forts Washington and Lee surrendering, with the British capturing almost 3,000 rebels; the British taking their gloves off to liberate New York, killing 40% of the rebels they faced; despite being outnumbered 3-1, the British still manage to hold out at Freeman's Farm in New York; the British capuring rebels at Charlotteville but just miss out on capturing Thomas Jefferson: http://www.redcoat.me.uk/battles.htm

This is the REALITY, but you just won't find it in any American history book, because American history books like to teach the myth that the Americans won against a vastly numerically superior force, rather than the reality that they lost the vast amount of battles against a numerically inferior foe.
 
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EagleSmack

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This is the REALITY, but you just won't find it in any American history book, because American history books like to teach the myth that the Americans won against a vastly numerically superior force, rather than the reality that they lost the vast amount of battles against a numerically inferior foe.

You'll find it all in US History books regarding the US War of Independence.

But you'll also find something like this at the end of them....

 

EagleSmack

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It must really be hard on you when you are proven wrong by me on all accounts.

The Brits did win many of the battles.

But in the end...

 

Blackleaf

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It must really be hard on you when you are proven wrong by me on all accounts.

It's very rare I get proven wrong by anybody, let along you.

The Brits did win many of the battles.

We won the vast majority of them, despite being outnumbered (unless you're an American historian, who believes the colonials won against a vastly numerically superior foe)

But in the end..


And what was so great about the 30% minority of colonials achieving something that 70% of them didn't want?
 

EagleSmack

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It's very rare I get proven wrong by anybody, let along you.

Let along me? Did you mean "let alone you"?

There is one right there off the bat.



We won the vast majority of them, despite being outnumbered (unless you're an American historian, who believes the colonials won against a vastly numerically superior foe)

As I said... but in the end....





And what was so great about the 30% minority of colonials achieving something that 70% of them didn't want?
 

Blackleaf

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What was so great - and democratic - about the 30% minority of colonials achieving something (independence) that 70% of them didn't want?
 

Blackleaf

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I see that the individual surrendering has no sword to relinquish... Probably threw it away when he understood the Armageddon that he faced

Why didn't they reap this "Armageddon" more times? They only won a few battles. Just like at Rorke's Drift, Agincourt and many other battles, we even trounced the enemy when vastly outnumbered.
 

EagleSmack

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More revisionism.

One need only look at the reception the Brits received when they left Boston for Concord.

OH BAM!



I see that the individual surrendering has no sword to relinquish... Probably threw it away when he understood the Armageddon that he faced

It was the Brit Call for Parley... please stop... we wish to surrender.

They gave up the sword later.
 

Blackleaf

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More revisionism.

One need only look at the reception the Brits received when they left Boston for Concord.

OH BAM!

Nice to see them fighting the British for "freedom and democracy" whilst, at the same time, ignoring the wishes of the majority of the colonials who were against independence and were proud to be British.
 

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Nice to see them fighting the British for "freedom and democracy" whilt, at the same time, ignoring the wishes of the majority of the colonials who were against independence and were proud to be British.

Revisionism cannot save you here BL... you'll need another angle.
 

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It was the Brit Call for Parley... please stop... we wish to surrender.

They gave up the sword later.

Ok, makes more sense now.... Looks like they had plenty of experience in that... Probably had a special course in the Brit military academy that dealt exclusively with the best form of surrender and delivery strategies along with that
 

Blackleaf

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Revisionism cannot save you here BL... you'll need another angle.

Most colonials were against independence and wanted to remain British, which they were proud to be (of course, you didn't know this because you have been brought up reading American history books). So what was so great about a selfish few ignoring the opinions of the majority and achieving what the majority didn't want?
 

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Most colonials were against independence. So what was so great about a selfish few ignoring the opinions of the majority and achieving what the majority didn't want?

Nope... wrong again. Only 15%-20% were Crown Loyalist... as was shown by the inability of the Brits to suppress the rebellion and inability to raise significant loyalist troops... and of course the ultimate victory.

Try reading a REAL history book.

Most colonials were against independence and wanted to remain British, which they were proud to be (of course, you didn't know this because you have been brought up reading American history books). So what was so great about a selfish few ignoring the opinions of the majority and achieving what the majority didn't want?

I've actually read more books from the Brits about the Revolution. I must admit I like reading the whining of Brit officers and their inability to suppress farmers, militias, and ultimately the Colonial Army.

The NPS Book Stores at Revolutionary War battlefields are full of these books from Brit historians and I visit them often.