How the liberals made Britain ashamed of being Great

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"Invented" freedom? INVENTED Freedom?!?

Gosh... good thing English came along or Inuit, Australian Aboriginees, and north-American natives wouldn't know what it's like to be free.




Yeah, Blackie forgot that people in the Indian subcontinent did not appreciate having Queen Victoria march in and arrange to kill millions of their people in the name of this "freedom". It was the same when "Chinese Gordon" appeared uninvited in Khartoum and lost his head over that unwise visit. As for the notion that the Magna Charta brought freedom, it sure as hell did nothing to prevent Irish slavery and villeinage.
 

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Hmm, what's not really great is ripping a piece of text out of someone's essay and passing it off as your own. In the rest of the English speaking world we have a word for it. Do you know what it is Blackleaf?

That bit about Orwell which you snipped from the Daily Mail article is almost word for word a repeat of something Hannan wrote a year ago in The Telegraph.

It'd help if you actually read the article, which you obviously haven't.

Epic fail.

Gosh... good thing English came along or Inuit, Australian Aboriginees, and north-American natives wouldn't know what it's like to be free.



So I'm assuming that you Canadians - most of whom are of British descent - are going to do the gracious thing and go back to your ancestral homelands and give Canada back to the Native Americans.



Or is this another case of whingeing about the British presence in North America yet hypocritically wanting all the benefits that the British arrival there brought, like the English language; English Common Law and parliamentary democracy?


They're shying away from the NON-uniqueness of their achievement, because it's embarrasing.



They realize all they did was march in the footsteps of earlier empire-builders like the Babylonians, Persians, Macedonians, Romans, etc., in spite of having had enough historical education to have known not to do it, but they *didn't* learn from history, which is embarrasing.




Is it your hobby to write silly, chilidish and patronising comments or do you do it accidentally?


The British Empire was one of the greatest things - if not THE greatest thing - to happen to this world.

Good thing thirteenth century Brits had a time-machine to project a copy of the Magna C. back to ancient Athens, or those poor Helenics never would have figured out democracy by themselves.



*Sigh*... Bills-of-Rights go back at least to the time of Hamurabi.




Britain is the oldest democracy in the world. Not Greece. The British, not the Greeks, not the Canadians, not the Americans and not anybody else, have been the freest people in the world for centuries.

Greece only became a democracy in 1974 after years of being ruled by a fascist junta. Yeah, Greece is definitely an model for democracy that the British should aspire to, isn't it?

And as I've pointed out, the American Constitution was influenced by Magna Carta, and the Americans cherish Magna Carta so much there is a copy of it in Washington D.C.

German Nazis were defeated by Communist Russians.




The Nazis were defeated partly by the Soviets and partly by the Anglo-Saxons, and the Anglo-Saxons would then later go on to defeat the USSR in the Cold War.​





The demise of Russian Communism was a process of internal collapse caused by an inability to hold down ganster control of their grey-market economy.




The collapse of the Soviet Union was caused by those two great Anglo-Saxon leaders - Thatcher and Reagan.







 

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Yeah, Blackie forgot that people in the Indian subcontinent did not appreciate having Queen Victoria march in and arrange to kill millions of their people in the name of this "freedom".

You're just jealous that India was never part of an American Empire. Unfortunately for Americans, they can only dream about having a history as rich and glorious and proud as Britain's.

It was the same when "Chinese Gordon" appeared uninvited in Khartoum and lost his head over that unwise visit.

The Great British hero, Major-General Gordon, was sent to Sudan - which was ruled by both the British and the Egyptians - to quell a Muzzie uprising.

He was given the heroic task of evacuating Egyptian women, children and the sick back to Egypt to escape the rebel forces of the nefarious Mohammed Ahmed. He helped to remove 2,500 Egyptians before Ahmed's forces closed in.

Gordon died the death of a typical British hero, succumbing on a staircase inside the Governor-General's palace when he faced the barbaric Muzzie mob. Your average Canadian or American would have tried to run when coming face to face with such a mob. But not Gordon. Gordon was British.

Of course, British history, unlike Canadian and American history, is littered with great heroes who perform heroic deeds before succumbing to a heroic death. Nelson's death being another great example.



As for the notion that the Magna Charta brought freedom, it sure as hell did nothing to prevent Irish slavery and villeinage.

It didn't do anything to prevent English villeinage either, but never mind.

It's still one of the greatest democratic documents - if not THE greatest democratic document - ever written even, as I've already said, inspiring the US Constitution.

The British Dominions of Australia, New Zealand and Canada (except Froggy Quebec), and also South Africa and Zimbabwe, reflect influence of Magna Carta in their law.

For this, you should be eternally greatful to the British and their Empire. If you're not, it's not my problem.

How did Reagan and Thatcher convince Ukrainian coal miners to go on strike to cause industries to shut down?

Oh dear. Are you trying to rewrite history? Who are you? Sam Beckett?
 

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The Normans, Germans, Saxons... and of course the Danes. The Danes gave the Brits a lot more than their influence didn't they? lol

So why's it called English, then? I always thought it's because England is where the language originated. We've obviously got the wrong end of the stick.
 

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I have no idea why this thread has turned into a bash fest.

Nevertheless, I read the article and it makes a long list of good reasons for Britain to reclaim her place as a leading force of democracy in the world with her self-determination restored. The European Union is slowing ripping the heart out of every member nation, forcing the western, formerly rich countries into poverty. The EU's latest projects are tightening the noose on the city of London.

Dan Hannan is a great politician and a pretty good speaker. I love watching his speeches in the (sham) European Parliament. He should be sitting as a UKIP MEP and not a Conservative.
 

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It'd help if you actually read the article, which you obviously haven't.

Epic fail.





Britain is the oldest democracy in the world. Not Greece. The British, not the Greeks, not the Canadians, not the Americans and not anybody else, have been the freest people in the world for centuries.


And as I've pointed out, the American Constitution was influenced by Magna Carta, and the Americans cherish Magna Carta so much there is a copy of it in Washington D.C.



Having an unelected ruler is democracy?
 

Andem

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For quite some time, English was called "Low German."

No it wasn't.

They kilt all the Celts?

All you have to do is follow the existing celtic languages in the British isles. They were pushed north and west.

Having an unelected ruler is democracy?

It's called a parliamentary democracy/constitutional monarchy, a system Canada also inherited. This system is in place with consent of the people.
 

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So I'm assuming that you Canadians - most of whom are of British descent - are going to do the gracious thing and go back to your ancestral homelands and give Canada back to the Native Americans.


Bloody hell, what script are you reading from? You talk like a telemarketer. Are they paying you well for this?

Most of British descent eh? Do you count Scots and Irish as "Brits"? They're not English. Most Anglo-speaking Canadians came from Scotland and Ireland... and they didn't move here to hammer a life out of snow and mosquitoes in order to spread English Imperialism... it was to get as far away from pompous English as possible.

And speaking of "most" Canadians... I guess your script left out awareness of the French, plus your script writers are failing to mention how on a per-capita basis there's as many full-blooded natives in Canada as there are blacks in the US, and it's not mentioning that 50% of all Canadians living west of Ontario are technically Meti, with some native blood in their heritage somewhere,

Or is this another case of whingeing about the British presence in North America yet hypocritically wanting all the benefits that the British arrival there brought, like the English language; ...


Why do you think the English Language is so great? It's just a pidgin-language fusion of Germanic, Norman, and Celt? What do you think you're capable of communicating in English that could not be said in any other language?

... English Common Law...
Nothing new about that. Blackfeet and Inuit had a form of Common Law.

... and parliamentary democracy?
Tell your script writers to consider the audience. You're talking to people who are living under the consequences of that flawed system called Westminster Parliamentary Democracy which enabled a guy who got only 36% of the popular vote to get dictator-level control of the country.

That's not democracy, nor is it anything to present proudly to the rest of the world. In fact, you should be embarrassed how your system enables people to get absolute power with margins as thin as what Hitler had when the Nazis got control of Germany.

Is it your hobby to write silly, chilidish and patronising comments or do you do it accidentally?

Nope, I do it on purpose so childish minds like yours can read it.

The British Empire was one of the greatest things - if not THE greatest thing - to happen to this world.

Only if you're the antichrist looking for a handy stepping-stone to global one-world satanic domination.

Britain is the oldest democracy in the world.

Actually, the oldest constitutional democracy in the modern world is Iceland.

Not Greece.
Who were the *first* democracy... millenia before Druid British women discovered soap by washing cloths in the sudsy mixture of human fat from torched human sacrifices mixes with the ashes of the pyres.

The British, not the Greeks, not the Canadians, not the Americans and not anybody else, have been the freest people in the world for centuries.
And the most photo-surveyed, and the nation with the most draconian "emergency" state-crackdown laws.

Greece only became a democracy in 1974 after years of being ruled by a fascist junta. Yeah, Greece is definitely an model for democracy that the British should aspire to, isn't it?

Who writes your scripts? It was by reference to Athenian democracy - predating the UK by thousands of years - that British political philosophers got their ideas.

And as I've pointed out, the American Constitution was influenced by Magna Carta, and the Americans cherish Magna Carta so much there is a copy of it in Washington D.C.

What's so great about the M.C.? It was just the English King's way of buying off his cotemporal nobility, because he wasn't strong enough to conquer them.
The Nazis were defeated partly by the Soviets and partly by the Anglo-Saxons,

*Very* partly by Anglo-Saxons, who used Canadian and Scottish for shock-troops. It was mostly Soviet blood that defeated the Nazis.

The collapse of the Soviet Union was caused by those two great Anglo-Saxon leaders - Thatcher and Reagan.


Who told you that? It's in your script, right? You obviously don't know that Gorbachov had a meeting with the IMF years before the Soviet system collapsed, wherein he presented them with charts and graphs showing the west how the Soviet system was imploding from within due to their inability to control the thugs running the grey market, and that he was going to try to keep it propped up, but just in case he was going to initiate programs of glasnost and perestroika in preparation, and that the west should be ready for the change. Did you *really* never notice how alert and wary, yet unsurprised, everyone in London and Washington were when it finally went down?


Anyway, so... you're tripping out on British-Empire nostalgia... nothing new there. For centuries after the decline of the Roman Empire people dreamed about putting Humpty Dumpty together again.

 
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I have no idea why this thread has turned into a bash fest.
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You don't hang around and read Blackleaf's contributions to threads about other countries enough. His reason for being on this forum seems to be to run around telling Canadians that they shouldn't have any pride in Canada, because we're not Britain. So, it's become a running joke to pick on him about Britain. I wouldn't assume any bashing to be legitimate, due to the Blackleaf phenomenon. You can't really take our members seriously in any thread he's involved in, as riling him up is easy and hilarious.
 

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As I recall from high school history Britain was little more than a suburb of Rome. Probably explains their position in the world.

And a hundred years ago it was the greatest power the world had ever known, with its territory covering a quarter of Earth's landmass.

Most of British descent eh?

Yep.

Do you count Scots and Irish as "Brits"?

Yep. What else would I count them as? Mongol?

And speaking of "most" Canadians... I
guess your script left out awareness of the French, plus your script writers are
failing to mention how on a per-capita basis there's as many full-blooded
natives in Canada as there are blacks in the US, and it's not mentioning that
50% of all Canadians living west of Ontario are technically Meti, with some
native blood in their heritage somewhere,

More Canadians are of British ancestry than are of some other ancestry. The largest ethnic group in Canada is British and English.

To be more precise, according to the 2006 census 21% of Canadians are of English origin; 15.1% are of Scottish origin; 13.9% are of Irish origin. This makes precisely 50% of Canadians of British descent. Only 15.8% are of French descent; 10.2% of German descent; 4.6% of Italian descent; 4.3% of Chinese descent; 4% of First Nations descent; 3.9% of Dutch descent; and 3.3% of Ukrainian descent.

I know it hurts you to think about it, but Canadians are much more British than anything else. Your census proves it.

Why do you
think the English Language is so great?

Because it's a great language. It's the language of Chaucer, Shakespeare, Pepys, Milton, Defoe, Swift, Pope, Johnson, Blake, Shelley, Keats, Byron, Austen, Scott, the Brontës, D ickens, Wells, Barrie, Stoker, Conan Doyle, Carroll, Louis Stephenson, Tennyson, Rossetti, Wilde, Owen, Brooke, Lawrence, Hardy, Masefield, de la Mare, Thomas, Auden, Day-Lewis, Kipling, Lawrence, Orwell, Shaw, Coward, Huxley, Lewis, Grahame, Christie, Blyton, Dahl, Tolkien, Waugh, Amis, Lessing, Rushdie, Fleming, Rendall, James, Wyndham, Clarke, Awdry, King-Smith, Rowling, Pratchett, Gaiman, Adams, Barker, Motion and Rankin.

And they're only the British ones.

It is the third most-spoken native language in the world and the most spoken language in the world when also including non-native speakers; the perception of the usefulness of foreign languages among Europeans is 67% in favour of English ahead of 17% for German and 16% for French (as of 2012); among some of the non-English-speaking EU countries, the following percentages of the adult population claimed to be able to converse in English in 2012: 90% in the Netherlands, 89% in Malta, 86% in Sweden and Denmark, 73% in Cyprus and Austria, 70% in Finland, and over 50% in Greece, Luxembourg, Slovenia and Germany; English is the most commonly used language in the sciences with Science Citation Index reporting as early as 1997 that 95% of its articles were written in English, even though only half of them came from authors in English-speaking countries; English literature predominates considerably with 28% of all volumes published in the world [leclerc 2011] and 30% of web content in 2011.

Nothing new about that.
Blackfeet and Inuit had a form of Common Law.









And you didn't adopt any of them. You adopted English Common Law, as it's the best there is.













Tell your script writers to consider the audience. You're talking to people who







are living under the consequences of that flawed system called Westminster





Parliamentary Democracy which enabled a guy who got only 36% of the popular vote




to get dictator-level control of the country.​























If it's so inferior then why don't you change it?​












That's not democracy, nor is it anything to present proudly to the rest of the







world.​







So somebody who received more votes than anybody else is not democracy?​













Nope, I do it on purpose so childish minds








like yours can read it.








Because you like to be patronising. It doesn't work on me, I'm afraid.







Only if you're the antichrist






looking for a handy stepping-stone to global one-world satanic





domination.





























The British Empire, which makes my chest swell with pride at the mere thought, was the greatest force for good that this planet as ever seen.​













In fact, judging by the troubles that are going on in the world at the moment, this planet could do with the British Empire's return.​














Actually, the oldest constitutional democracy in the








modern world is Iceland.








Rubbish. Iceland's constitution only dates back to 1944. Magna Carta, part of the British Constitution, dates back to 1215.​














Who were the *first* democracy... millenia before








Druid British women discovered soap by washing cloths in the sudsy mixture of






human fat from torched human sacrifices mixes with the ashes of the





pyres.




























But it hasn't been a democracy for as long a successive period as Britain has. No country has.














And the most photo-surveyed, and the nation with the








most draconian "emergency" state-crackdown laws.






And those CCTV cameras help to catch criminals and terrorists.​













What's so great about the M.C.? It was just the






English King's way of buying off his cotemporal nobility, because he wasn't






strong enough to conquer them.
















The Americans think it's great. They based their constitution on it. Canadian laws are based on it.​













who used Canadian and Scottish for






shock-troops.








Have you got any evidence for this bizarre claim?














What country do you think Scotland is a part of?















And why do you think think that Canada isn't an Anglo-Saxon nation?















Who told you that? It's in your script, right? You obviously don't know that








Gorbachov had a meeting with the IMF years before the Soviet system collapsed,






wherein he presented them with charts and graphs showing the west how the Soviet





system was imploding from within due to their inability to control the thugs




running the grey market, and that he was going to try to keep it propped up, but



just in case he was going to initiate programs of glasnost and perestroika in


preparation, and that the west should be ready for the change. Did you

*really* never notice how alert and wary, yet unsurprised, everyone in London

and Washington were when it finally went down?​


















































So Reagan and Thatcher didn't defeat the USSR in the Cold War? I always thought it was the British and Americans who defeated the Soviets in the Cold War. We've been lied to over the last 20-odd years.​














Anyway, so... you're tripping out on British-Empire nostalgia... nothing new
















Of course I am. Why shouldn't I? The British Empire is just one of the many thinks that make me proud to be British.​














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