How did the Prophet believe ?

AnnaG

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1. You can see fire but you can't see spirituality.
Not all the time. If you tell me that hydrogen fire is visible, I'll think you are spoofing me.
2. Curiousity about spirituality won't even give you a taste of it just like riding a bike you've never seen or experienced will never give an incling of what it is like.
It'll prod you to investigate further. Which is all I am saying.
3. Rules of the road and hand signals. Until applied they sit in waiting.
The book includes some common sense rules, but it also describes how to go about aspects of riding.
4. Just another giude that will never give you experience until you hop on.
Did I say it was any different?

Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Confusicous et al all did the same thing to ride the bike.

It's in the texts on bike riding but the description is breif but describes them all having good times and bad riding the bike.

What do you think that was?
As I said at the beginning to eannassir, people can learn to be good people without the use of some book or other telling them how and what to do. And in that case, reality supplies the wheels. One can read a book and add 1+1 to get two on paper. One can hold a finger up and then another to see two fingers.
 

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As I said at the beginning to eannassir, people can learn to be good people without the use of some book or other telling them how and what to do. And in that case, reality supplies the wheels. One can read a book and add 1+1 to get two on paper. One can hold a finger up and then another to see two fingers.
Still just a guide that leaves you in question.

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Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Confucius et al all did the same thing to ride the bike.

It's in the texts on bike riding but the description is brief but describes them all having good times and bad riding the bike.

What do you think that was?
Any guesses?
 

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Still just a guide that leaves you in question.
Unless you can accept the info and just leave it at that. :) Either way, it does not take the Bible or the Quran for people to figure out for themselves what decent principles are. But, they can help some to do just that.

Any guesses?
I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about there so I have no idea how to answer your q.
 

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Unless you can accept the info and just leave it at that. :) Either way, it does not take the Bible or the Quran for people to figure out for themselves what decent principles are. But, they can help some to do just that.

I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about there so I have no idea how to answer your q.
I know. That's why you are way off but that's okay.

As I said before the books about how to ride the Holy Bike will never teach you how to truly ride a bike. They are just the rules of the road and hand signals for courteous use of the bike path IF you ever figure out what a bike is and how to ride it.


When Moses, Jesus, Mo, Buddha, Confucious and other true bicycle riders went bike riding what did they do that is in the book but but isn't part of what any learned book reading leader teaches you about riding a bike because book leaders have no idea on how to ride a bike either.


What did they all do to learn to ride a bike that nobody is taught or is practised by bicycle riding story tellers in churches synagogues, mosques, temples and shrines?
 

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Now I leave your bike, and tell you this:

The belief of Mohammed increased gradually until he reached the certainty

At the start Prophet Mohammed refused the task of the apostlehood when he was told by the angel, then he conceived some doubt about it, then gradually believed until he reached the certainty of belief.

Then it is revealed to him in the Quran 2: 285
آمَنَ الرَّسُولُ بِمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْهِ مِن رَّبِّهِ وَالْمُؤْمِنُونَ كُلٌّ آمَنَ بِاللّهِ وَمَلآئِكَتِهِ وَكُتُبِهِ وَرُسُلِهِ ...الخ

The explanation:
(The messenger [Mohammed] has now believed in that revealed to him from his Lord, and the believers [have also believed.] Each one [of them] believes in God and His angels and His Books [:Scriptures] and His messengers [:apostles], …etc.)

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This implies he was truthful: because no need to claim he doubts about his prophet-hood; this will lead people to doubt also because he tries to convince them that he was sent to them against the idolatry and bearing God's word to them: the Glorious Quran; then he can't say to them: I doubt about this.
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Another argument against the denial of his people

When the prophet started to call his people (they were idolaters: worshipping the stone idols and claiming the idols were the symbols of the angels: the angels in heaven and the idols on earth); so when he invited them to abandon their idolatry and worship God the Creator alone without associate, they refused and opposed him.

They wrangled with him so much, and this aya 10: 16 was revealed
قُل لَّوْ شَاء اللّهُ مَا تَلَوْتُهُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلاَ أَدْرَاكُم بِهِ فَقَدْ لَبِثْتُ فِيكُمْ عُمُرًا مِّن قَبْلِهِ أَفَلاَ تَعْقِلُونَ

The explanation:
(Say [Mohammed to your people who denied you]:

"Had God so willed [: to praise your idols], I should not have rehearsed it [: the Quran] to you, nor would He have acquainted you therewith;

for I have tarried a long time [: forty years] with you, prior to this [revelation of the Quran; so did I – in any occasion – say to you that I am an apostle of God, or did I ever forbid you to worship idols? But it is only now God has revealed to me and I have come to tell you]

Will you not then discern [the truth?]")

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The belief is demonstrated by many grades:
He tells his family members, his near knidred and his tribe that he is the apostle of God.
He opposes their furiosity and anger concerning their idols.
He deserts his friends and relatives for the sake of God alone.
He disowns the idolaters.
He does not incline to the idolatry eventhough a little bit.
He pertains to God and they pertain to the associating of their idols and the angels with God Almighty.

Examples:
1- When the believers suffered a setback at Uhud, Abu Sufian the leader of the idolaters cried: Glory to Hubal :) their idol)
The prophet said to the believers: answer him: God is More Glorious and More Great.

Abu Sufian cried: "We have the Uzza (another idol), while you have no Uzza"
The prophet said to the believers: answer him: God is our Master and Patron, while you have no master."

2- One of the Arab tribe apostatized from the Islam and one of them: Musailama claimed the prophethood, and send a message to the Prophet telling him: Half of the land in Arabia is for our tribe, and the other half is to your tribe.

The prophet told him: "The land as a whole belongs to God Who gives out of His possession whatever He likes to whomever He likes."

So in all circumstances, he calls on God and pertains to God alone indicating his sure faith and certain belief.
 
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I know. That's why you are way off but that's okay.
I don't know what I am off of, but that's ok, too.

As I said before the books about how to ride the Holy Bike will never teach you how to truly ride a bike. They are just the rules of the road and hand signals for courteous use of the bike path IF you ever figure out what a bike is and how to ride it.
Like I pointed out before, though, a book can describe every aspect about riding the bike except what it feels like to be riding it. That includes but is not confined to just the rules and regs. A simple sketch, hold bike upright, swing leg over it and sit on the seat while holding yourself up with one leg. Push forward with that leg to get bike rolling and lift foot off the ground a little. Balance by keeping your CoG over the centerline of bike. Once mast3ery of balance is achieved, pedal. It ain't rocket science.
Spiritual bike says, "live, respect other life, and worship so-and-so". Rocket science?


When Moses, Jesus, Mo, Buddha, Confucious and other true bicycle riders went bike riding what did they do that is in the book but but isn't part of what any learned book reading leader teaches you about riding a bike because book leaders have no idea on how to ride a bike either.


What did they all do to learn to ride a bike that nobody is taught or is practised by bicycle riding story tellers in churches synagogues, mosques, temples and shrines?
I'll let you know after I become each one of them. I can make guesses, though. Perhaps one thought this is a great way to be famous. Another thought perhaps this is a great way to make a living, just travelling around gabbing. The list could be endless.
 

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The Prophet worshipped his Lord until he became certain in belief that he is an apostle of God

The people of Mohammed mocked him at the beginning of his mission, and said to him: That Quran which comes to you is only from the Devil and not from God. So he coceived some doubt about his mission at the start; therefore, these ayat 15: 97-99 were revealed:

وَلَقَدْ نَعْلَمُ أَنَّكَ يَضِيقُ صَدْرُكَ بِمَا يَقُولُونَ . فَسَبِّحْ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّكَ وَكُن مِّنَ السَّاجِدِينَ . وَاعْبُدْ رَبَّكَ حَتَّى يَأْتِيَكَ الْيَقِينُ
The explanation:
(And We know for certain that your breast is much embarrassed by [the words] they [: the idolaters] say.

Then celebrate the praise of your Lord [O Mohammed], and be [one] of those who prostrate themselves [to Him] in adoration.

And worship your Lord until you become certain [that you are sent by God.])


The interpretation:
(And worship your Lord until you become certain [that you are sent by God.])

And that the Quran is from God not from Satan and demons as do these idolaters and associaters claim.

That is because the Prophet conceived some doubt at the start when his people mocked him and said: the revelation that comes to you is from Satan not from God.

 
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he still knew how to ride a bike and never read the book on how to ride a bike so how did he know how to ride the bike?
All jest, no substance.
Mohammed was a great thinker and when he tried to convey his thought was being ridiculed. By the time he gained some public acceptance he has been struck by polio and withdrew from the public eye. Try to explain to a bunch of ignoramuses that even though you have a great mind, you can be subject to infection and disease.

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Be my teacher and teach me and have the favor on me.
Toss the book away. Go sit in a cave all by yourself with no food and no water 40 days, clear your mind turn you ego off and sit and liste for God. He'll tell you how to ride like he told Moses, Jesus, Mary/Miriam, Mohamed, Buddha, Indra, Horus, Quetzequatal and more.

You asked how the prophets knew god so there you go. Do what they did not the rituals. Did they do rites or did they fast and meditate?

YouTube - Queen - Bicycle Race

 
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Or you can get to the hallucinations quicker. Try LSD or 'shrooms.
 

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Or you can get to the hallucinations quicker. Try LSD or 'shrooms.
Not quite potent enough. Only the "third eye" can do the right doses of the right combination. Man came close with soma (ephredra, opium & cannabis) but that was only 3 out of 4. The 4th is DMT dimethyltriptamine. The S. Americans used DMT but didn't have the Soma. It can be done but I'd prefer the natural way myself it'll get rid of the LDL too. LOL

Am I not 100% correct about how they learned how to ride God's bicycle with real time audio uplink?

It's what the Holy Bike Books leave out. Full of rules of the road but no riding instructions.

Oh ****. Almost left out the best part...."the third eye", the pineal gland produces photons.

Only stars and life do that in nature. It's your SOL.

We are stardust...we are golden.
 
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Not quite potent enough. Only the "third eye" can do the right doses of the right combination. Man came close with soma (ephredra, opium & cannabis) but that was only 3 out of 4. The 4th is DMT dimethyltriptamine. The S. Americans used DMT but didn't have the Soma. It can be done but I'd prefer the natural way myself it'll get rid of the LDL too. LOL

Am I not 100% correct about how they learned how to ride God's bicycle with real time audio uplink?

It's what the Holy Bike Books leave out. Full of rules of the road but no riding instructions.

Oh ****. Almost left out the best part...."the third eye", the pineal gland produces photons.

Only stars and life do that in nature. It's your SOL.

We are stardust...we are golden.
hehehe Good post, Pet.
I agree, 40 days and nights without food (the easy part) or water (that's the tough part) would do wonders to the physiology.
 

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Yup! We are all our own personal Jesus. The brain produces everything we need to get us there. But sometimes we need drugs to break down our social conditioning to open our minds to the greater possibilities. That is what the teachings of Don Juan led Castaneda to understand. Took me over 4 hundred LSD, mushroom and mescaline trips break down all the BS I was fed to see beyond my nose.

Oh, and I spent 5 years in the wilderness. (Slow learner.)
 

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hehehe Good post, Pet.
I agree, 40 days and nights without food (the easy part) or water (that's the tough part) would do wonders to the physiology.
Try just a few days of fasting and go crash out in an empty mine deep in the earth sometime. Becareful...it's addictive. ;-)
 

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Toss the book away. Go sit in a cave all by yourself with no food and no water 40 days, clear your mind turn you ego off and sit and liste for God. He'll tell you how to ride like he told Moses, Jesus, Mary/Miriam, Mohamed, Buddha, Indra, Horus, Quetzequatal and more.

You asked how the prophets knew god so there you go. Do what they did not the rituals. Did they do rites or did they fast and meditate?

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A bad teacher you are!
Do you tell me to discard the heavenly book and be like Moses and Mohammed?

Will all people be like Moses or Mohammed? and if they love God, why should they discard His heavenly book?

Bad teacher, get rid of your satan suggestions; he rode on your bike and sterned you completely.

This is in the Quran 6: 124
وَإِذَا جَاءتْهُمْ آيَةٌ قَالُواْ لَن نُّؤْمِنَ حَتَّى نُؤْتَى مِثْلَ مَا أُوتِيَ رُسُلُ اللّهِ اللّهُ أَعْلَمُ حَيْثُ يَجْعَلُ رِسَالَتَهُ سَيُصِيبُ الَّذِينَ أَجْرَمُواْ صَغَارٌ عِندَ اللّهِ وَعَذَابٌ شَدِيدٌ بِمَا كَانُواْ يَمْكُرُونَ
The explanation:
(And when there comes to them [: the chief criminals of Mecca] a [scientific] miracle [: the Quran], they say: "We will not believe [in the Quran nor in the messenger] until we are given [some material miracles] like that God's messengers were given";

God knows best where to place His message.

There shall befall the criminals [: the chiefs who plotted to kill the messenger] humiliation before God [in the world of souls after their death], and grievous chastisement [on Judgment Day] because of their plotting.)
 

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Try just a few days of fasting and go crash out in an empty mine deep in the earth sometime. Becareful...it's addictive. ;-)
Perhaps if I was chubby ..... But I am 180 cm, about 60 kg, and have about 16% body fat. I wouldn't last very long.
 

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A bad teacher you are!
Do you tell me to discard the heavenly book and be like Moses and Mohammed?

Will all people be like Moses or Mohammed? and if they love God, why should they discard His heavenly book?
Can you show me the book they used to learn from before the Torah, Bible and Quran were written after they went off on their own and learned to ride the bike?


I'm not the bad teacher. It's up to you to believe in yourself and in God because only you can ride your bicycle. I can't ride it for you and nor can any alleged spiritual leader...unless he is taking you for a ride.

Perhaps if I was chubby ..... But I am 180 cm, about 60 kg, and have about 16% body fat. I wouldn't last very long.
Anyone healthy enough can do it standing on their head. Water you need though. Thankful it's cool and moist enough in a cave that you take in as much moisture per breath as you release and being in a trance your heartbeat will slow down as well saving you even more water and fat.

It works. that is why they did it just like the holy bike books say they did.
 

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Do you tell me to discard the heavenly book and be like Moses and Mohammed?

Will all people be like Moses or Mohammed? and if they love God, why should they discard His heavenly book?
Moses and Mohammed didn't need a book to communicate with divinity. Why do you? Why would a god write a book if you can communicate with it directly? It wouldn't. Men would in order to control you but a real god would not. You can be a Moses or even a Jesus if you do as they did. All you would lose are your chains to dogma. Allah loves you. Ask him. He will answer. But first you have to free your mind in order to hear.