How credible is an alleged child molester?

karrie

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Two accusations 40 years later to boot. Now three. Does that increase credibility or lessen it?

What if I ensure those accusers vanish because I am rich and powerful? Isn't that exactly what the RC church did? Kept the accusations quiet and ensured they never went to court and vanished. Aren't we trying to avoid that?

So how would keeping this all quiet work? How are you going to gag media; just for molestation accusations, or sex crimes in general or sex crimes against people you think are upstanding citizens or sex crimes that occurred years ago.

I don't think it increases OR lessens credibility when the charges are civil
 

Sal

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I don't think it increases OR lessens credibility when the charges are civil
I don't know. I think once we begin to gag the media because someone appears to be an upstanding citizen with a reputation to uphold any victim is screwed.
 

karrie

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I don't know. I think once we begin to gag the media because someone appears to be an upstanding citizen with a reputation to uphold any victim is screwed.


I don't agree with keeping charges quiet either.
 

gerryh

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The problem is the broad spectrum "rape" covers including a man having his way with his wife on the 17th consecutive night of "headaches".

That needs a bit more explanation.


He means exactly what it looks/reads like. You need to remember his age/generation, Karrie. A lot of them are still of the mind set that no means maybe, and a wife is only allowed to say "not tonight dear" so many times before he (the husband) has every RIGHT to ignore her "no".
 

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He means exactly what it looks/reads like. You need to remember his age/generation, Karrie. A lot of them are still of the mind set that no means maybe, and a wife is only allowed to say "not tonight dear" so many times before he (the husband) has every RIGHT to ignore her "no".

There goes old Gerry again "filling in words that aren't there", there is a difference between being at one end of the spectrum and being acceptable. I'm sure there are reading lessons available in your community, Ger! -:)
 

karrie

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There goes old Gerry again "filling in words that aren't there", there is a difference between being at one end of the spectrum and being acceptable. I'm sure there are reading lessons available in your community, Ger! -:)

I think the theory that being raped by someone you trust is less of a crime than being raped by a stranger, is off.
 

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I think the theory that being raped by someone you trust is less of a crime than being raped by a stranger, is off.
rape is rape, regardless of if it is your husband, your boyfriend or a stranger

no means no

EVERY time.
 

gerryh

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There goes old Gerry again "filling in words that aren't there", there is a difference between being at one end of the spectrum and being acceptable. I'm sure there are reading lessons available in your community, Ger! -:)


Not filling in anything. I have just come to know your modus operandi. You make a statement, and then when you see the backlash you try and weasle out.

Here's a reminder of what you said.

The problem is the broad spectrum "rape" covers including a man having his way with his wife on the 17th consecutive night of "headaches".

How is this a "problem"? The Husband that forces himself on his wife IS raping her, and that is as bad as any other rape. There are no "degrees". Rape is rape, period. No is no, period. The outdated and very misogynistic concept that a man has a "right" to "sex" belongs in the cave with the caveman. There is no getting around that one.
 

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Not filling in anything. I have just come to know your modus operandi. You make a statement, and then when you see the backlash you try and weasle out.

Here's a reminder of what you said.



How is this a "problem"? The Husband that forces himself on his wife IS raping her, and that is as bad as any other rape. There are no "degrees". Rape is rape, period. No is no, period. The outdated and very misogynistic concept that a man has a "right" to "sex" belongs in the cave with the caveman. There is no getting around that one.

You're misquoting, Gerry! Where did I say "How is this a problem"? If "rape is rape and there's no degrees" why do sentences for rape vary from case to case? I never did say that ANY rape is a good thing, so I don't know why you are trying to make something out of something that isn't there.

Actually, Gerry I thought my explanation in post # 12 was pretty clear...............I never said there were "good rapes" just some worse than others, which I think the disparity in sentencing bears out!
 
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gerryh

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Did I not say what it is in the following words?


Ya, you made it sound like it is problematic that the poor guy that hasn't had sex for 17 days is some how more justified in raping his wife than someone that rapes a stranger.
 

petros

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Violence plays a big role as does it being forced.

I get your point JLM

Not feeling up to having sex and still having sex when you didn't feel up to it and an absolute no are two different things.
 

karrie

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Did I not say what it is in the following words?

The broad spectrum covering various crimes.


Honestly JLM, ignore all you want, I read it as...

The problem is, that the broad spectrum covers 'rape', when it's just a husband taking from his wife.
 

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Ya, you made it sound like it is problematic that the poor guy that hasn't had sex for 17 days is some how more justified in raping his wife than someone that rapes a stranger.

I think "more justified" is your interpretation, I would be more inclined to say "less heinous", but really who cares? The courts are paid to differentiate in these matters. And they do!
 

karrie

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Violence plays a big role.

Yes, there are degrees of violence. It is a worse assault if you get your head beaten into a curb, than if you get a black eye from a pop in the nose.

But you're no less raped if you're assaulted while it happens, or not.
 

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Honestly JLM, ignore all you want, I read it as...

The problem is, that the broad spectrum covers 'rape', when it's just a husband taking from his wife.

That wasn't what I had in mind. -:)

Yes, there are degrees of violence. It is a worse assault if you get your head beaten into a curb, than if you get a black eye from a pop in the nose.

But you're no less raped if you're assaulted while it happens, or not.

Now we are getting into semantics!
 

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Hard to say whether he is guilty or not but the news has the right to mention him
using the word alleged. The media has a right to report the news. This guy is
arrogant as all get out but it doesn't make him a child molester. Waiting to see
what happens in this case its a long way from over.