How can we get rid of our sinfulness?
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Has he REALLY taught you...or have you just interpreted things on your own based on something you attribute to him...and then steadfastly refuse to grow or alter your way of thinking because you have convinced yourself that the way you think is right and everyone else is wrong?
The Christ that I know is the same one you know, but I confess that He has been good to me:
Amazing grace. How sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me. I once was lost, but now am found, was blind, but now I see.
Twas grace that taught my heart to fear, and grace my fears relieved. How precious did that grace appear the hour I first believed.
Through many dangers, toils and snares, I have already come. Tis grace hath brought me safe thus far, and grace will lead me home.
When we've been there ten thousand years, bright shining as the sun, We've no less days to sing God's praise than when we first begun.
Can we sing this hymm together?
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
It takes someone outside the beliefs to see through the smoky haze of organized religion.
Peace>>>AJ:wave::love9:
Organized religion, as you define it, is false. The "organization" of the Church has been by God. that is the one point you do not seem to understand. The Church was begun by Christ, and is transformed through Him.
It would be nice, especially if doing so would make you come to Christ and renounce your heresies. How wonderful that would be-to see you give your heart and soul to the King of Kings!!
What was true yesterday is true today and will be true tomorrow. Doctrines given us by God do not change with the weather.
I can't help it but to love you guys!
This is a promise of God to us in Jesus:Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
This promise is to: any man, women or child!
So, regardless of who one is, what one believes, at a certain point in time in our lives we may come to whisper “God help me” and God being all merciful will still the soul with peace.
This is freely given without attachment to any structured belief! It is a promise!
For many of us, this we know:1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
And if we know Him then we also want to grow:2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
And so we speak:1Pe 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
And if we believe in Him and not mankind’s rendition of Him we:1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
And because of our surety, we have confidence in Him and rejoice with joy unspeakable:1Pe 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
That because we are in Him: He in us will show long suffering as a pattern of His presences hereafter to us who believe:1Ti 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
So, if we are buried with Him, risen with Him, we are sons of God through the faith and operation of God! Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Let us therefore walk in Him! Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
I hereby know and declare that first Christ liveth in me, and is my stay in times of trouble and or sufferings, that I may be to Him a pattern of who He was and is!
He is my solid rock on whose faith I exist as a son of God, born of His Spirit unto everlasting life, a new creature.
That my friends is my testimony, and I have need of no one, no church organization, but Him only Jesus my Lord and Savior.
Now, to share Him with others, Yes! For: to do so would be within His will and to His pleasure.
And it is to that end that I suffer.
And to say I know not Christ? You be the judge!
Peace>>>AJ:love9::love9:
This is a promise of God to us in Jesus:Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
This promise is to: any man, women or child!
So, regardless of who one is, what one believes, at a certain point in time in our lives we may come to whisper “God help me” and God being all merciful will still the soul with peace.
This is freely given without attachment to any structured belief! It is a promise!
For many of us, this we know:1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
And if we know Him then we also want to grow:2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
And so we speak:1Pe 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
And if we believe in Him and not mankind’s rendition of Him we:1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
And because of our surety, we have confidence in Him and rejoice with joy unspeakable:1Pe 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
That because we are in Him: He in us will show long suffering as a pattern of His presences hereafter to us who believe:1Ti 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
So, if we are buried with Him, risen with Him, we are sons of God through the faith and operation of God! Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Let us therefore walk in Him! Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
I hereby know and declare that first Christ liveth in me, and is my stay in times of trouble and or sufferings, that I may be to Him a pattern of who He was and is!
He is my solid rock on whose faith I exist as a son of God, born of His Spirit unto everlasting life, a new creature.
That my friends is my testimony, and I have need of no one, no church organization, but Him only Jesus my Lord and Savior.
Now, to share Him with others, Yes! For: to do so would be within His will and to His pleasure.
And it is to that end that I suffer.
And to say I know not Christ? You be the judge!
Peace>>>AJ:love9::love9:
Based on what you wrote, I say you do not know Christ. You pick those verses which suit your point of view. you ignore the whole because it does not conform to what AJ believes. In other words, rather than conform yourself to the Gospel, you prefer it conform itself to you. Jesus did not just say, "do as you want and it's fine I'll let you into glory". How easy that would be! He does require us to live by the whole Gospel!
By the whole gospel? I see only two requirements Sanctus? What others are you talking about?
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
But...the question is...are you interpreting the word of god correctly? The bible can be interpreted in any number of ways...what says that your interpretation is correct?
But...where are you getting these doctrines from? A text that is subjective..no? It is open to interpretation. Is god actually speaking to you and telling you these things? No...the church, and yourself are interpreting the bible and other texts. Again...why do you believe that your interpretation is absolutely one hundred percent accurate and that the words are actually trying to tell you what you think they are trying to tell you?
Sighhh. you don't care what the Bible truly has to say AJ. Let's be honest here. You are convinced that you have the key because you have selected from the whole those little bits that conform themselves to your private interpretation. All the rest you dismiss. Why? I can only assume because to do so would mean that you might possibly be wrong!
But...you as well are just an interpreter of the bible...what makes you so sure that you are getting it right? And aren't there parts that you are dismissing and others that you are embracing as well?
Sanctus, I quote nothing but the bible, haven't you yet noticed? What does that tell you? You quote the Catholic churches writings, I have noticed and inbetween you use the bible quotes.
Which is all right by me. The problem lies in that as we both believe in the same spirit of Christ, yet you find me to be unfavored by Him because I am not as you are: a Catholic, and a priest to boot.
The spirit of Christ is what should unite us in brotherhood not the church, hello?
I don't deny you your preference to worship as you please, nor deny you the right to believe as you please.
I do accept you into the brotherhood of Christ and by so doing, I can have communion with you with Christ being the host.
Is it not possible to speak of our Lord in such a way that does not divide us?
I mean, I can understand fully those that do not believe in Christ as not having the ability to have communion with me with Christ being the host, if they do not believe in Him in the first place.
But you of all people, being a priest for the most part, should understand above all that are not, the spiritual unity that is in Christ.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Lets see if I can x-plain it.
A family of 8 has six siblings. These six siblings are all brothers and or sisters to the same Father.
Now here comes the difference, not all siblings honor the father in the same manner.
What bonds them together is the brotherhood, but can be distinctly different in beliefs.
So, can we all sit at the fathers table and commune with each other though different? Yes, if, we love each other as the father loves us!
Love conquers all earthly differences because love is a spiritual and is generated in the heart of our souls.
So, I consider all of you as my brothers and sisters because of the common salvation granted us by Christ.
Though we are all different, and if this forum was the Fathers table, we could all commune with each other in love.
Where one is not demonstrating love, then that one is not fit to commune with us. Still a brother or sister, but not fit to eat (Commune)at the Fathers table.
Therefore, as brothers and sisters who do demonstrate love, it then behooves us to reach out to that one who doesn't and win he/she over.
Peace>>>AJ:love9: