How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

[csanopal]

Apart from the bible we know not who God is.
Up until Abraham, knowledge of the God of all Gods was not known.
Everything under the Sun was in some way associated with a higher intelligences of an unknown god.
God was not identifiable as a creator but simply some higher intelligence.
The Sun god, moon god, crops god, god of the storms, the falcon god, the eagle god, the tree god on and on.
No one had any idea of who or what this creator God was.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:

rightly interpreted scripture is infallible. That is why Christ instituted his church with a teaching office (the magisterium). The faithful of Christ's church know when scripture is rightly interpreted, because the faithful accept the teaching authority of their bishops when they speak in union with the bishop that holds the the keys of the kingdom of heaven.(Matt. 16-19).

Protestantism, on the other hand, has rejected the divine authority of the teaching office of Christ’s church, and that is why Protestantism is fragmented into thousands of bickering and contentious sect that cannot all agree one single article of faith.

The greatest argument that can be given against the claims of Protestant is Protestantism itself. If Protestantism spoke with a single voice that presented a unified alternative to the teachings of the Catholic Church, then Protestantism might have some credibility. But Protestants cannot all agree on anything (other than they don’t accept the teaching authority of Catholic Bishops). Protestantism is not believable, because there is no unity of faith within the thousands of sects of Protestantism. Protestantism presents Christianity as Tower of Babel. Protestant confusion over doctrine not the work of the Holy Spirit, it is the work of the author of confusion - Satan.

 

[csanopal]

Sanctus what kind of a question is that? You andI know based on scripture that Jesus tasted hell for us! Hell is death by separation.
Jesus had a promise from the Father: Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Simple answer please, no ten million words and Bible quotes, are you saying that Jesus abolished hell..yes or no?

 

[snfu73]

Simple answer please, no ten million words and Bible quotes, are you saying that Jesus abolished hell..yes or no?

Dude....how DARE you ask questions in the Catholic Discussion thread...the lord and his word are not to be questioned!!!! BLASPHOMY....blas for you...blas for everyone...and so on and so forth...

 

[look3467]

Anyway, I was always given to understand that this god was unknowable>>>

Not so, He has made Himself known through the Jewish people. The God of: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
He gives us enough to know who He is and how He loves us.

Also, if this is the "god of all gods" why do people still talk of all the others?>>>

You’re forgetting that we were giving the ability to choose? Choose your god. Is it the real God or some worldly god that has first place in our desires?

A god and be money, power, wealth, pleasure, sex, alcohol, drugs etc. All these type of gods are for the flesh.

My God is the real God of my soul’s spirit. I live though I am dead. Go figure that one.

My friend, God did not commit any murders, mankind did.

but if I were this god, i would not be so conscienceless and cruel as to subject living things to existences with as much suffering as this planet has seen;>>>

So your hung up on this suffering thing? That’s why you don’t believe?

And you think this God to be so stupid to give you a choice to either accept Him or reject Him?

By all standards and human logic, that would make God a big fool.

There lies the core of the problem my friend, God knows all the angles and you…. being made after His creation propose to know more than the creator?

Who is the bigger fool?

That to me is just plain stupid>>>

I have an advantage over you! I can enjoy the blessings of this God whom I know and can understand what life is all about, relate to all my human being brothers and sisters,
Suffer reproach in doing so, but yet suffer with joy.

That my friend you have not! For in your suffering, all you have is yourself to condemn, for there is no God to condemn as you say and think!

Again, your whole argument is unreasonable>>>

To you, but to me it is life of which you have no part in it! For you believe not.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

Simple answer please, no ten million words and Bible quotes, are you saying that Jesus abolished hell..yes or no?

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

rightly interpreted scripture is infallible. That is why Christ instituted his church with a teaching office (the magisterium). The faithful of Christ's church know when scripture is rightly interpreted, because the faithful accept the teaching authority of their bishops when they speak in union with the bishop that holds the the keys of the kingdom of heaven.(Matt. 16-19).

Protestantism, on the other hand, has rejected the divine authority of the teaching office of Christ’s church, and that is why Protestantism is fragmented into thousands of bickering and contentious sect that cannot all agree one single article of faith.

The greatest argument that can be given against the claims of Protestant is Protestantism itself. If Protestantism spoke with a single voice that presented a unified alternative to the teachings of the Catholic Church, then Protestantism might have some credibility. But Protestants cannot all agree on anything (other than they don’t accept the teaching authority of Catholic Bishops). Protestantism is not believable, because there is no unity of faith within the thousands of sects of Protestantism. Protestantism presents Christianity as Tower of Babel. Protestant confusion over doctrine not the work of the Holy Spirit, it is the work of the author of confusion - Satan.

Christ is the object of my adoration. There are no human mediators between me and Him.
There are no heads (People of the clergy) to rule over me, only Christ who is the head of this body.

If you feel the Catholic Church is one to whom you subscribe to, than by all means be the best that you can be.
Just remember, that one who practices religion without LOVE is a false religion.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[hermanntrude]

what about those who practise love without religion?

 

[LittleRunningGag]

If it were not God in me demostrating love and kindness, I would otherwise, not give you the time of day!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Why?

 

[talloola]

why do you think that people who say they dont believe in god or whatever will read christian stuff anyway? and then they have to jump in with some kind of nasty comment...why do they do that?

Just like most people who have an opposing opinion on "many "subjects that are posted in a "public" forum.
They want to give their "opinion", simple.

 

[L Gilbert]

Yeah, people were pretty ignorant back around your hypothetical Jesus' time. But then, in spite of having a great deal more knowledge and understanding of the universe, there still are quite a few ignorant people around today.
Anyway, I was always given to understand the bible said that this god was unknowable. :roll: Yet one can know him from the stuff written in the bible. Sounds like doubletalk to me.
Also, if this is the "god of all gods" why do people still talk of all the others? The Hindus must have a couple dozen all by themselves. If this god of yours was omnipotent enough to magic himself out of nothing (I doubt many people can actually grasp the concept of nothing) in order to start creating sh|t, surely it could eliminate any other god from existence and even from human's memories and these 6billion people and people of the past wouldn't be subjected to all this grief caused by religions. If this god did exist in reality, it would be the biggest mass-murderer, cruelest, most irresponsible critter in existence. I know that the typical answer would be that "god works in mysterious ways", but if I were this god, i would not be so unconsionable and cruel as to subject living things to existences with as much suffering as this planet has seen; especially if I had worked to create them. That to me is just plain stupid. So, if I believed in gods and whatnot, there's no way I'd ever even WANT to know such a critter. I avoid nasty people, so I sure would avoid nasty gods. Good thing gods are just a bit of imagination.

 

[L Gilbert]

Just like most people who have an opposing opinion on "many "subjects that are posted in a "public" forum.
They want to give their "opinion", simple.

I rather like jumping into conversations, but I try not to jump in with nasty comment as Maple said.

 

[L Gilbert]

what about those who practise love without religion?

Oh, but that's not god's love so it's hollow and doesn't mean anything.

 

[look3467]

Why?

Dug that one up huh? That leads me to know that you have read up on my posts.

Well, the answer to you is this: If I get insulted, mistreated, abused physically, should I under normal behavior not want to retaliate? Eye for and Eye?

But with Jesus it is different. Where it now is love thy enemies! I could only do that in the spirit of Jesus, for if it were mine, then I would care less about loving my enemies.

Know what I mean?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

Oh, but that's not god's love so it's hollow and doesn't mean anything.

Love is of God, whether one believes in Him or not. It is an attribute of God.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[L Gilbert]

:roll: Well, since gods are offspring of imaginations, then love is too.

 

[LittleRunningGag]

Dug that one up huh? That leads me to know that you have read up on my posts.

Not really, I thought I had just read the last couple of pages of this thread. I saw something that I felt needed clarification.

Well, the answer to you is this: If I get insulted, mistreated, abused physically, should I under normal behavior not want to retaliate? Eye for and Eye?

But with Jesus it is different. Where it now is love thy enemies! I could only do that in the spirit of Jesus, for if it were mine, then I would care less about loving my enemies.

Know what I mean?

Not really. One can tolerate, provide a dissenting opinion, or simply ignore. If you don't feel that people without Jesus can't 'love thy neighbour' what does that say about people who don't believe in any deity. What kind of insults are you throwing around here?

That you couldn't give two ****s about your enemies says more about you as a person, I think, and less about 'Jesus's love'.

 

[look3467]

Not really, I thought I had just read the last couple of pages of this thread. I saw something that I felt needed clarification.


Not really. One can tolerate, provide a dissenting opinion, or simply ignore. If you don't feel that people without Jesus can't 'love thy neighbour' what does that say about people who don't believe in any deity. What kind of insults are you throwing around here?

That you couldn't give two ****s about your enemies says more about you as a person, I think, and less about 'Jesus's love'.

Talk about twisting things around my friend! Whether you believe in God or not, does not stop you from loving. But to endure suffering at the hands of another and still love, has it's limits.

So, only in the strength of love of Jesus in us could we endure past the human limitations.

Loving thy neighbor as thyself reads more than what you are stating above.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

:roll: Well, since gods are offspring of imaginations, then love is too.

Under those assumptions, then love is just an imagination of the mind with lack of heart?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[sanctus]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Congratulations!!! You've finally managed to floor me!! I cannot believe you think such a heresy! There is nothing, absolutely nothing in the Scriptures that supports this idea you hold that there is not a Hell.

 

[sanctus]

Dug that one up huh? That leads me to know that you have read up on my posts.

Well, the answer to you is this: If I get insulted, mistreated, abused physically, should I under normal behavior not want to retaliate? Eye for and Eye?

But with Jesus it is different. Where it now is love thy enemies! I could only do that in the spirit of Jesus, for if it were mine, then I would care less about loving my enemies.

Know what I mean?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Moral and correct behaviour is not exclusive to Christians AJ. The majority of the world is not in the Church, and the majority of the people are quite capable of loving and good moral decisions.
The real test for Christians is not their ability necessarily to love, but to love those that they would normally hate.