How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

[look3467]

Actually, that is not true AJ, you do not believe in the "whole" Bible, for you have the "Reader's Digest"condensed version which excludes books from the Bible

The message is: Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved" period.

Now not to be taken in a wrong way, let me explain. When Jesus is accepted as a Savior, He will transform ones heart to desire Him.

That alone is Jesus working in us to perform good works and not works of our own. For our own works (our own righteousness) are as filthy rags.

It has to be Jesus doing the good works in us for it to count.

Where there are a few books missing does in no way takes away the message so stated.

The excuse to say that I don't read the whole bible because of a few books missing is to say that the message Jesus came to give is not the message He desired for us, therefore is null and void to the excuse.

Here again you are trying to tie me down to some excuse when my heart is already given to Christ where my freedom of all such things have no effect.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[sanctus]

The message is: Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved" period.

Now not to be taken in a wrong way, let me explain. When Jesus is accepted as a Savior, He will transform ones heart to desire Him.

That alone is Jesus working in us to perform good works and not works of our own. For our own works (our own righteousness) are as filthy rags.

It has to be Jesus doing the good works in us for it to count.

Where there are a few books missing does in no way takes away the message so stated.

The excuse to say that I don't read the whole bible because of a few books missing is to say that the message Jesus came to give is not the message He desired for us, therefore is null and void to the excuse.

Here again you are trying to tie me down to some excuse when my heart is already given to Christ where my freedom of all such things have no effect.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Odd reaction from a man who continues to claim he lives by the Bible, yet dosen't care that his Bible is not the real Bible...Which is it, you live by the Bible or you do not. If you do, why do you preach things which are contrary to the Scriptures?

 

[sanctus]

God is the mover and shaker of all things that happen.
I can only go by what He leads me to learn and my choice to believe.

If I have knowledge of Gods plan to humanity's salvation, and can understand it, then the designed effect of that plan has taken hold in my heart and His objective met.

I therefore share my knowledge to whom ever would consider it and no more.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Which is all very well, but has utterly nothing at all all to do with the questions Michael asked.

 

[look3467]

Odd reaction from a man who continues to claim he lives by the Bible, yet dosen't care that his Bible is not the real Bible...Which is it, you live by the Bible or you do not. If you do, why do you preach things which are contrary to the Scriptures?

Your Nit-picking brother for lack of a better argument.
What is the message Christ came yo give?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

Which is all very well, but has utterly nothing at all all to do with the questions Michael asked.

You think that in those few books it would make a difference as to what Jesus' message is?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[L Gilbert]

So if there really is only two commandments that you need to follow and you know the one true message of the bible (love), why do you need the bible at all (consensed version or whole version)?

 

[Dalreg]

You don't need the bible period. In fact you as an individual do not need religion. Religion needs the bible and the people, how else can they preach to us common sinners telling us what is good for our own good.

I laugh everytime I read through this thread at all the bs spouted by those who are in the know. I have my beliefs and what they involve are totally different from every other human on this planet. Therefore when someone tries to tell me how I can get rid of my sinfulness, I have to laugh.

 

[look3467]

So if there really is only two commandments that you need to follow and you know the one true message of the bible (love), why do you need the bible at all (consensed version or whole version)?

Apart from the bible we know not who God is.
Up until Abraham, knowledge of the God of all Gods was not known.
Everything under the Sun was in some way associated with a higher intelligences of an unknown god.
God was not identifiable as a creator but simply some higher intelligence.
The Sun god, moon god, crops god, god of the storms, the falcon god, the eagle god, the tree god on and on.
No one had any idea of who or what this creator God was.

The bible gives us the information that identifies God in word form. Then He acts out His attributes in vessels of clay, or better understood as flesh.

He tells us how we were created, why we became separated from Him, and the penalty for that separation.
He also tells us that He had placed us in an environment of testing, by which we may have the ability to choose from two opposites.

He also tells us that because He placed us in to that condition, He will also make provision to take away the penalty as a result of it.

Though Jesus came on the scene in a time past many dead generations of people, God tells us that He in Jesus re-created the whole world again from the beginning, but this time without a penalty.

I am being a simple as I can in explaining the value of what the bible has for us.

He tells us that He free-up the prisoners that were held in hell. Meaning that up until Jesus, no souls had as yet to go to heaven because of the curse or penalty of dead. Hell being a holding place until the coming of Jesus.

After Jesus then pays the price, all souls held are released into heaven. Not one soul left in hell or the holding place.
All this informations is within the covers of the pages in the bible.

For those interested, it is there, for those not, then live as you will. You are covered anyways.

But the greater blessings in this life is to know God.

I know first hand, and without a doubt.

So if the natural and the sciences can not in your mind define God, then I'd say your missing out on a tremendous blessing.

So the bible to me is above all else my school master that instructs me on the things I need to know and understand about God and life on earth.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[sanctus]

You think that in those few books it would make a difference as to what Jesus' message is?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

I think that if I was one who worshipped the Bible alone, I would be terribly concerned that it had been altered. You constantly indicate, and truthfully spoken, that the Bible is the written word of God. that being the case, can you honestly claim that it is appropriate for a man to remove books from what is the written word of God? And further, that having done so does not bother you at all?

 

[sanctus]

He tells us that He free-up the prisoners that were held in hell. Meaning that up until Jesus, no souls had as yet to go to heaven because of the curse or penalty of dead. Hell being a holding place until the coming of Jesus.

?????????? So Jesus lied in the Gospels when He spoke of going to hell for those who refuse to submit to God?

 

[sanctus]

You don't need the bible period. In fact you as an individual do not need religion. Religion needs the bible and the people, how else can they preach to us common sinners telling us what is good for our own good.

I laugh everytime I read through this thread at all the bs spouted by those who are in the know. I have my beliefs and what they involve are totally different from every other human on this planet. Therefore when someone tries to tell me how I can get rid of my sinfulness, I have to laugh.

Since it is so distasteful to you, all of our "BS", by all means refrain from reading through the thread.

 

[look3467]

?????????? So Jesus lied in the Gospels when He spoke of going to hell for those who refuse to submit to God?

Sanctus what kind of a question is that? You andI know based on scripture that Jesus tasted hell for us! Hell is death by separation.
Jesus had a promise from the Father: Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Jesus knew that taking on the sins of the world would land Him in hell, separation from the Father. But because He loved the Father so, He was willing to give it up for us.

But the reassurance from the Father is what gave Jesus strength to endure to the end.

Like wise, we too have that assurance by Jesus that we too will not be left separated from the Father because Jesus took care of that.

Now tell me if that is not a bit of "Good News" ever?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

Since it is so distasteful to you, all of our "BS", by all means refrain from reading through the thread.

Please define "BS".

Whatever anybody believes against what I believe, I don't consider it "BS", but instead I will work to enlighten rather than condemn any body's beliefs.
My objective is to draw out the hate, criticisms and any ill will on me, so that love may be returned and fill the gap that those things have left vacant.

Then shall they taste of the love which only God can give.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

Since it is so distasteful to you, all of our "BS", by all means refrain from reading through the thread.

By so doing Sanctus, you are going contrary to the very thing you set out to explain: Peace!

How shall we have peace if we are continuously divided?

Where is the spirit of unity?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[sanctus]

By so doing Sanctus, you are going contrary to the very thing you set out to explain: Peace!

How shall we have peace if we are continuously divided?

Where is the spirit of unity?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Since the poster stated religious comment were BS, clearly I was correct in pointing out to that person that if these types of comments were distasteful, the obligation therefore is NOT to read such opinions.

 

[look3467]

Since the poster stated religious comment were BS, clearly I was correct in pointing out to that person that if these types of comments were distasteful, the obligation therefore is NOT to read such opinions.

Agreed!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[mapleleafgirl]

Since the poster stated religious comment were BS, clearly I was correct in pointing out to that person that if these types of comments were distasteful, the obligation therefore is NOT to read such opinions.

why do you think that people who say they dont believe in god or whatever will read christian stuff anyway? and then they have to jump in with some kind of nasty comment...why do they do that?

 

[sanctus]

why do you think that people who say they dont believe in god or whatever will read christian stuff anyway? and then they have to jump in with some kind of nasty comment...why do they do that?

Probably for the same reasons Christians want to read non-Christian threads and contribute Christian inspired comments...

 

[L Gilbert]

Apart from the bible we know not who God is.
Up until Abraham, knowledge of the God of all Gods was not known.
Everything under the Sun was in some way associated with a higher intelligences of an unknown god.
God was not identifiable as a creator but simply some higher intelligence.
The Sun god, moon god, crops god, god of the storms, the falcon god, the eagle god, the tree god on and on.
No one had any idea of who or what this creator God was............

Yeah, people were pretty ignorant back then. But then, in spite of having a great deal more knowledge and understanding of the universe, there satill are quite a few ignorant people around today.
Anyway, I was always given to understand that this god was unknowable. :roll:
Also, if this is the "god of all gods" why do people still talk of all the others? The Hindus must have a couple dozen all by themselves. If this god of yours was omnipotent enough to magic himself out of nothing in order to start creating sh|t, surely it could eliminate any other god from existence and even from human's memories and these 6billion people and people of the past wouldn't be subjected to all this grief caused by religions. If this god did exist in reality, it would be the biggest mass-murderer, cruelest, most irresponsible critter in existence. I know that the typical answer would be that "god works in mysterious ways", but if I were this god, i would not be so conscienceless and cruel as to subject living things to existences with as much suffering as this planet has seen; especially if I had worked to create them. That to me is just plain stupid. So, if I believed in gods and whatnot, there's no way I'd ever even WANT to know such a critter. I avoid bad people, so I sure would avoid bad gods. Good thing gods are just a bit of imagination.
Again, your whole argument is unreasonable.

 

[L Gilbert]

Please define "BS".

Whatever anybody believes against what I believe, I don't consider it "BS", but instead I will work to enlighten rather than condemn any body's beliefs.

Again the arrogant implication that everyone else is mistaken and need to be enlightened to your beliefs.

My objective is to draw out the hate, criticisms and any ill will on me, so that love may be returned and fill the gap that those things have left vacant.

Then shall they taste of the love which only God can give.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

I guess it never occurred to you that people can be disgu sted with someone yet still love them. You sure don't seem to know much about people yet you're willing to judge them enough to tell whether they are enlightened or not. Nice guy. :roll: