is that true? i think i read about those kinds of things before. what about here in canada. did the churches play any role in our freeing our slaves..when was that anyway..i cant remember?
How can we get rid of our sinfulness?
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is that true? i think i read about those kinds of things before. what about here in canada. did the churches play any role in our freeing our slaves..when was that anyway..i cant remember?
but what does that mean really? who decided what is and isnt married? if two guys are really in love, isnt that what marriage is all about, and if they want to spend all their lives together, the church should be celebrating this fact, not condemning it.
okay, that was jesus, but is our love tested. do you think god sends us tests/ if so that hardly seems fair-the world is hard enough without having to deal with a god playing head games with us.
lol
I could just as validly claim that the tooth faerie is fact. On the other hand, a valid fact would be something like a molecule of water is comprised of 2 hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom: it is irrefutable and leaves no room for debate.
It would be better to simply say that for you, Yahweh exists, IMO, just as for me it is an item of imagination.
Tooth faerie! I was wondering what that thing was.
(It looks like a mystery even with my cheaters on).
For those that consider their gods real, sure, I still approve. For me there a re some that are just inapplicable.
Tooth faerie! I was wondering what that thing was.
LOLLLLLLLL She's my inner Goddess
(Im gonna have her tattoo'd on my neck) Playful, loving and magical *sprinkling faery dust* Peace
Understanding the whole creation purpose is to understand the plight of mankind.
Mankind was subjected to: this world, just as you and I were brought into this world without our permission.
Now that we're here, we have to deal with it. Can we get any help? Yes, absolutley!
Enter: Jesus!
He took the "sting" out of death, meaning eternal separation from God.
Your (spirit) soul is purchased by the shedding of blood. That blood being Jesus'.
Testing? Yes, we are all tested by the perimeters of this world.
Here and now is where good can be victorious. Good? A Godly type good, I mean.
Everybody knows to give a good gift, but a Godly gift is one tested.
Peace>>>AJ
I do not understand the whole debate. This is just as simple as breathing...
Live your life. Live and let live as you wish to be left to live, judge not anyone that you do not agree with and embrace the variables in life. Treat people as you would be treaded.
See simple, well unless you're into BDSM, then don't treat people as you be treated. Ouch!!!
To rid yourself of sin is as easy as breathing, just be and let be, follow your convictions and seek only to be you. You will see your heaven in the end if you follow your own path with self respect and respect of others.
Live your life. Live and let live as you wish to be left to live, judge not anyone that you do not agree with and embrace the variables in life. Treat people as you would be treaded.
See simple, well unless you're into BDSM, then don't treat people as you be treated. Ouch!!!
To rid yourself of sin is as easy as breathing, just be and let be, follow your convictions and seek only to be you. You will see your heaven in the end if you follow your own path with self respect and respect of others.
Well it seems Sanctus that your facility to tolerance is limited and you're less than completely available to the concept of forgiveness....
If you don't like something somone points out to you then you can "argue" the point or you can deny the point....
Nice to have your vote!
If you don't like something somone points out to you then you can "argue" the point or you can deny the point....
Nice to have your vote!
hey sanctus. where are you. have we scared you awat? is there some reason you haven't joined in this thread today? i hope my questions didnt freak you out and now youve stopped posting to this thread!!!
well, merry christmas to you and to everyone
well, merry christmas to you and to everyone
No, Bear, you believe what you want is what I am comfortable with.
I like to present views that may be of some help to some.
Each one has their own faith value and thereby regulated by it.
But there is nothing wrong in shareing each others faiths respectfully.
Peace, and Happy Holidays
AJ
Wow - such interesting posts (a lot of which went waayy over my head). As a "former" Catholic, I'm not too enthused with the Church for many reasons - one of which when my dad left us and we had no food or money, my mom went to our local church for assistance. The priest told her to just "be a better wife" so that my dad would come back. 'cuse me but he's living down the block with another woman and HER kids. How the hell is she suppose to get him to "move back"?? Unbelievable!!
I believe in a God, or at the very least something of a higher power. I've had experiences that make me believe that there is someone there. I just don't believe "organized" religion is necessarily the way to go for me. Too hypocritical. As for all the bible quotes - they mean nothing to me because I don't understand them and they seem to be subject to various interpretations (depending on who you speak to).
I say my prayers every night; I believe He/She watches over me. I try to live my life as good as I can. I seek forgiveness often because I need to (I "fall down" a lot). I try to be kind and compassionate and it tears me to pieces when I see people suffer. I try to give what I can financially and pray when I can't.
I sometimes think I'd like to attend a church with a Black Congregation because they really look like they're having a lot of fun singing and praying and stuff. Don't know that I have the courage (I'm white) and it probably doesn't matter - it's MY issue not theirs. But I think worshipping should be FUN!!
Needless to say, I'm still searching and I hope that some day I'll get to where I need to be.
Cheers!!
I believe in a God, or at the very least something of a higher power. I've had experiences that make me believe that there is someone there. I just don't believe "organized" religion is necessarily the way to go for me. Too hypocritical. As for all the bible quotes - they mean nothing to me because I don't understand them and they seem to be subject to various interpretations (depending on who you speak to).
I say my prayers every night; I believe He/She watches over me. I try to live my life as good as I can. I seek forgiveness often because I need to (I "fall down" a lot). I try to be kind and compassionate and it tears me to pieces when I see people suffer. I try to give what I can financially and pray when I can't.
I sometimes think I'd like to attend a church with a Black Congregation because they really look like they're having a lot of fun singing and praying and stuff. Don't know that I have the courage (I'm white) and it probably doesn't matter - it's MY issue not theirs. But I think worshipping should be FUN!!
Needless to say, I'm still searching and I hope that some day I'll get to where I need to be.
Cheers!!
Dixie Cup,
Hi, the name gives me a picture of a petite lady.
From what I gather, Dixie, you have faith in God which gives you a degree of comfort, that despite your trials, you have a certain peace about you.
Churches are good, Dixie in this respect: they perform a duty to those who have little hunger for the depth of the word and are satisfied with what spiritual nourishment they give.
The depth of the word, or should I say the meat of the word is in studying, searching and experiencing the good that comes out of it, which makes of us a more mature person.
But again, one has to have a desire to dabble in the word.
I
Yes, I too have been there, I mean to a Black church, and it is very exciting.
Singing is one thing I really enjoy, especially the old gospel hymns. Singing to God welcomes a spiritual blessing. It lightens the heart and praises God all at the same time.
Needless to say, I'm still searching and I hope that some day I'll get to where I need to be>>>Dixie.
Fellowship is an important key, not only for you but for children as well.
But, I would suggest (In the mean time) perhaps reading the New Testament bible section, and getting an idea of what it is all about. With your sincere heart, God will reveal to you many things to you.
God loves you more than what we give Him credit for.
Enjoy this day knowing you are loved despite our afflictions.
Peace>>>AJ
Cheers!![/quote]
Hi, the name gives me a picture of a petite lady.
From what I gather, Dixie, you have faith in God which gives you a degree of comfort, that despite your trials, you have a certain peace about you.
Churches are good, Dixie in this respect: they perform a duty to those who have little hunger for the depth of the word and are satisfied with what spiritual nourishment they give.
The depth of the word, or should I say the meat of the word is in studying, searching and experiencing the good that comes out of it, which makes of us a more mature person.
But again, one has to have a desire to dabble in the word.
Based on the above paragraph, you’re doing an excellent job and know the truth of where your blessings come from.
I
Yes, I too have been there, I mean to a Black church, and it is very exciting.
Singing is one thing I really enjoy, especially the old gospel hymns. Singing to God welcomes a spiritual blessing. It lightens the heart and praises God all at the same time.
Needless to say, I'm still searching and I hope that some day I'll get to where I need to be>>>Dixie.
Fellowship is an important key, not only for you but for children as well.
But, I would suggest (In the mean time) perhaps reading the New Testament bible section, and getting an idea of what it is all about. With your sincere heart, God will reveal to you many things to you.
God loves you more than what we give Him credit for.
Enjoy this day knowing you are loved despite our afflictions.
Peace>>>AJ
Cheers!![/quote]
Look3467
Don't you actually mean that you believe that god loves you more...
You weren't born with your current concept of god or godliness or "religious belief", you learned that. You accepted what you've learned (for your own reasons and to which you are absolutely entitled) and continue to percieve the world through that lens. I'm not trying to pick a fight here my friend but I've never seen an "absolute" beyond the ubiquitious presence of gravity for instance... Suggesting that some word or logos if you prefer informs your consciousness that there is a god that loves you in ways beyond your ability to comprehend and understand isn't rational. I understand as well that if the infomed conscience is infomed through feelings and emotions that doesn't automatically disqualify their veracity or nature, however, I've studied the writing of Aristotle for instance and even he acknowledges that it is through faith and not reason that statements like "God loves you more than what we give Him credit for." can be made.
My beliefs don't require that an omnicient creator entity "loves" me, so in some respects I subscribe to Schopenhauer's pessimism regarding the possibility that my need to believe that I am loved beyond my ability to comprehend is a convenience within the proposition of an eternity of peace and love as reward for my embracing this and similar kinds of statements.... that I can only experience if I embrace a similar belief.
I believe when we die we're dead. Since the facility to experience "love" is available to only the living, I don't really see the value in investing a great deal in the suggestion that my loving behavior toward my fellows will be rwarded after I shuck this mortal coil. I have no memory of the world that existed prior to my entrance and I'm quite sure that many people loved their children and each other without any requisite for belief that this faculty is intimately interwoven with an understanding of an omnicient creator being..
Doesn't ring true for me...
How does a Christian or a Moslem know (not believe or embrace through "faith" that there will be virgins waiting in heaven for the Jihadist or that god's mansion has many rooms...etc.
It's manipulation of desire and preference without any substantiation of any kind...
What's wrong with embracing the notion that love of our fellows is a fundamental component of our very human very natural and "normal" rapproachement to this experience of existence?
Without the bogeyman of a supernatural entity....?
Don't you actually mean that you believe that god loves you more...
You weren't born with your current concept of god or godliness or "religious belief", you learned that. You accepted what you've learned (for your own reasons and to which you are absolutely entitled) and continue to percieve the world through that lens. I'm not trying to pick a fight here my friend but I've never seen an "absolute" beyond the ubiquitious presence of gravity for instance... Suggesting that some word or logos if you prefer informs your consciousness that there is a god that loves you in ways beyond your ability to comprehend and understand isn't rational. I understand as well that if the infomed conscience is infomed through feelings and emotions that doesn't automatically disqualify their veracity or nature, however, I've studied the writing of Aristotle for instance and even he acknowledges that it is through faith and not reason that statements like "God loves you more than what we give Him credit for." can be made.
My beliefs don't require that an omnicient creator entity "loves" me, so in some respects I subscribe to Schopenhauer's pessimism regarding the possibility that my need to believe that I am loved beyond my ability to comprehend is a convenience within the proposition of an eternity of peace and love as reward for my embracing this and similar kinds of statements.... that I can only experience if I embrace a similar belief.
I believe when we die we're dead. Since the facility to experience "love" is available to only the living, I don't really see the value in investing a great deal in the suggestion that my loving behavior toward my fellows will be rwarded after I shuck this mortal coil. I have no memory of the world that existed prior to my entrance and I'm quite sure that many people loved their children and each other without any requisite for belief that this faculty is intimately interwoven with an understanding of an omnicient creator being..
Doesn't ring true for me...
How does a Christian or a Moslem know (not believe or embrace through "faith" that there will be virgins waiting in heaven for the Jihadist or that god's mansion has many rooms...etc.
It's manipulation of desire and preference without any substantiation of any kind...
What's wrong with embracing the notion that love of our fellows is a fundamental component of our very human very natural and "normal" rapproachement to this experience of existence?
Without the bogeyman of a supernatural entity....?
Just popped in for a few minutes to wish everyone a jolly christmas and hope no-one indulges themselves with too much of the 5th cardinal sin (that'd be gluttony to the uninformed).