How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

[look3467]

Come on, her Dad was yet one small example of a guy who picked up his copy of the Bible and made up a religion out of it, much like you have done. It is shameful that her father used the Bible against his own family, and abandoned his wife and children in the name of God. We should pray for him, yes, but excuse his behaviour, no.

If I am guilty of the same, as you said, then my family should be all broken up, right?
Well, my family is pretty much in tact. They know I love them all as I love one.
They know my theology, my stance, my love for Jesus and hold me as their pillar of strength.

Because of my faith in God first, He has blessed me all these years with a wonderful family, wife and grand children.
All my six children live in the same town, we get together for our family summer Olympics. I visit with friends to their Bahi gatherings, talk to many folks of different faiths.
My Mom ans Dad are still alive and well, and I am at peace with all my sisters, my in-laws.

I performed by request my mother-in-laws funeral, I performed my Daughters wedding.
I am not worthy of any of it, yet God has blessed me plentifully.
I speak here on this forum with love, and try to encourage folks to look to God for their sustenance.
I have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of proclaiming the love of Christ to any one who would care to listen.
Now, if anybody wants to say that all this is pure luck, a coincidence or just my lot that it happened that way, then I must say, God is with me.
I trust and rely solely on Jesus for my ever need. If I died today, I'd know I am His.
One reason that my life has started out good, is because my dad brought us up in the same belief structure.
I have nothing but praise for my Lord and Savior, my friend and comforter: Jesus.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[talloola]

Guilt is a vehicle by which brings us to our senses. If there is no guilt, then there is no trespass.
If you have no guilt, then you have not transgressed your own conscience.
You have a Godly conscience whether you want to admit it or not, other wise, you would not think to do good.

Of course we all times of guilt, and times when we do good, but in my world it has nothing to do
with any god, we have our own intelligence and can figure out how to balance our "thinking" and
we will feel content with ourselves when that balance is pretty even. We don't need any "entity
in the sky" to tell us anything. If we can't figure things out for ourselves, others will help us, or
scold us in some way, and we will make our way back to "centre".

am living a life more abundantly believing in Jesus. I value life more, I care more about my neighbor, I judge no church, condemn no one.

That is your opinion, and I respect your right to it, but I disagree with you that you value life more,
or care for your neighbor more, or do much of anything more,(other than believe in god,) than
I, or anyone else who doesn't believe in god, does.
I
. And that is scriptual.

It means nothing to me that anything is scripted. I have my own built in scripture, which came from
my mother's teaching, school, and my own intelligence, which didn't come from any god.
Genetics is very strong, and one is lucky when you have a good genes, as not all of us do.

 

[look3467]

And so is confession to the priest, who acts in the name of God to forgive sins.

Can you give me scripture to say that we should confess our sins to a priest?


Here are scriptures pertaining to confession. Got more?

:read2:Jam 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Psa 32:5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.

That is pretty much the extent of confessing one’s sins.
The first one about is faults, not sins.

The only sins that I can forgive is the sins that are done against me.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

I see, so everything will be ok as long as all the other religions find your god as the common denominator. That's really arrogant and hardly likely, as most don't believe in Yeshua, and there are a few that are polydeist. You expect Hindus to just drop the plethora of gods they''ve been worshipping for a lot longer than your Yahweh has been around and choose your god as the one and only? Or Shintoists to drop the Kami at the drop of a hat and hook up with christianity? Get a grip.

What was the common thing that I said unites? Did I say LOVE?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

And even if his dream is reached, which version of God are we to adopt? AJ's, Catholic, Anglican????

The dream is not in religions, but in the hearts of mankind, hello?

Where is love generated? In the heart right!

That is the true religion, the religion of the heart.

Teach mankind to love, and watch the world change.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

But if we reject sin, or wrong-doing, we therefore must permit behaviour that is harmful to either our own selves, or to others.

No my friend, I can't buy that logic. Sin and wrong-doing are not the same thing, and I'm sure you'd agree with that. Sin is a particular category of wrong-doing defined very specifically in the context of a particular set of religious beliefs which I have rejected as not particularly useful and very unlikely to be true. Sin in religious terms is a transgression of a divinely sanctioned law or practice, and since I do not believe in any divinity, I reject that concept of sin as meaningless. But that doesn't mean I'm unaware of wrong-doing in myself and others. Clearly, people do wrong, I'm sure we'd agree on that too, and I'm sure we'd also agree we've both seen and done wrong. My restitution, or atonement if you want to call it that, is to the people I've wronged, not any deity.

 

[look3467]

Perhaps that is true for weak-minded folks with no self-respect or self-control. But not everyone is the same.>>>Gilbert

For the weak-minded folks::read2:
Jam 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[L Gilbert]

What was the common thing that I said unites? Did I say LOVE?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Specifically you said, "When Christianity comes to that point, then the rest of the other religions will truly see the love of God ". How could that happen if they don't recognize your god as theirs? Do you really think that because you believe in Yahweh, everyone else either does or should? What makes you think that your Christianity is the only religion that should be? Is Buddhism any less of a religion than Christianity? Is Jainism? Hinduism? What happens if other people think that Kama or Parvati are the true gods of love? Or Benzaitan?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

That is the process of life though, isn't it? Constantly seeking to change and better one-self,sometimes falling backwards, sometimes going ahead. The real challenge is not so much in the final outcome, but the manner in which one arrives at that outcome.

A wise and true statement, as somebody else also said. The journey matters more than the destination. But I don't see that that necessarily has anything to do with any deity's expectations of us. I think the deity--any deity--is almost certainly a fiction. I say "almost" because I was once a believer and had an apostasy, and I'm not yet prepared to completely close the door on that idea. But I need much better evidence than anything I've ever seen to bring me back to a church.

 

[look3467]

No my friend, I can't buy that logic. Sin and wrong-doing are not the same thing, and I'm sure you'd agree with that. Sin is a particular category of wrong-doing defined very specifically in the context of a particular set of religious beliefs which I have rejected as not particularly useful and very unlikely to be true. Sin in religious terms is a transgression of a divinely sanctioned law or practice, and since I do not believe in any divinity, I reject that concept of sin as meaningless. But that doesn't mean I'm unaware of wrong-doing in myself and others. Clearly, people do wrong, I'm sure we'd agree on that too, and I'm sure we'd also agree we've both seen and done wrong. My restitution, or atonement if you want to call it that, is to the people I've wronged, not any deity.

You are correct on both counts.
There are two kinds of sin accountable in two directions.
You stated God’s direction and our neighborly direction.
Sins against God are forgiven us by God. Sins against humanity may or may not be forgiven.
Humanity demands justice, God forgives.

God allows humanity to administer justice for wrongs (sins against humanity) but sins against Him, are forgiven in love.

If that is hard for one to understand, then it is a mystery to the one.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[L Gilbert]

The dream is not in religions, but in the hearts of mankind, hello?

Where is love generated? In the heart right!

Wrong. A heart is a pump.

That is the true religion, the religion of the heart.

Teach mankind to love, and watch the world change.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

A religion based on a pump. Fascinating.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

Not that I can see. Looks to me, in fact, like the wisdom of this world has rendered the notion of god foolish.

 

[look3467]

Specifically you said, "When Christianity comes to that point, then the rest of the other religions will truly see the love of God ". How could that happen if they don't recognize your god as theirs? Do you really think that because you believe in Yahweh, everyone else either does or should? What makes you think that your Christianity is the only religion that should be? Is Buddhism any less of a religion than Christianity? Is Jainism? Hinduism? What happens if other people think that Kama or Parvati are the true gods of love? Or Benzaitan?

I meant when Christianity, not the rest of the worlds religions, come to the point of maturity in Christ, then, they will see the worlds religions as brothers and sisters and drop the condemnations.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

Not that I can see. Looks to me, in fact, like the wisdom of this world has rendered the notion of god foolish.

Case proven as made by your very words.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

Wrong. A heart is a pump.

A religion based on a pump. Fascinating.

The wisdom of the world rears it's head again! Come on bro.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[L Gilbert]

Perhaps that is true for weak-minded folks with no self-respect or self-control. But not everyone is the same.>>>Gilbert

For the weak-minded folks::read2:
Jam 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

Might as well be Greek, because I can't make head from tail outta that. What is "shew"?

1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

So my wisdom in causing no grief to others is foolishness? Nuts.

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Well, I guess that's the reason why I don't kill, destroy other people's things,, etc. Because my wisdom is different than your god's. I think I'll stick to my wisdom.

1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men,

but in the power of God.
1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

As I said, my wisdom and nature keeps me from killing , destroying, etc. If that's foolish, then I say, "Big deal. I'll be a fool."

 

[L Gilbert]

I meant when Christianity, not the rest of the worlds religions, come to the point of maturity in Christ, then, they will see the worlds religions as brothers and sisters and drop the condemnations.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

If you dodn't mean the rest of the world's religions, then why did you say just that? Try saying what you mean and mean what you're saying. It does wonders for making oneself understood.

 

[L Gilbert]

Case proven as made by your very words.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

I don't see anything proven. You voiced an opinion based on your observation and Dex voiced one on his observation.

 

[L Gilbert]

The wisdom of the world rears it's head again! Come on bro.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

You come up with any evidence that the heart is anything other than a pump and I'll quit being an atheist.

 

[look3467]

If you dodn't mean the rest of the world's religions, then why did you say just that? Try saying what you mean and mean what you're saying. It does wonders for making oneself understood.

Gilbert
I must apologize for not being very articulate in my communication in words and thoughts.
I do try to get my points across but am limited in my ability to communicate them properly.
The point being in that last post was that love is the common ground by which all religious and non-religious groups can become united as one.

Christianity is one of many religions that are maturing to the point of loving rather than segregating, dividing and or condemning.

As for the foolish things of the world: the proper rendering of foolish, is not being a fool, but by the thoughts, the views of the world, are foolishness to God.

The world has not the ability to see Gods views unless God reveals it to the hearts of mankind.
Therefore any worldly thoughts of what God might or might not be are foolishness to God.

Peace>>>AJ:love9: