How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

[look3467]

Like I already said, I'm sorry, but I'll have to assume that the Pope knows just a little bit more about God, salvation and the Bible. He better, anyway

I'm not saying to quit the church, or deny the priest or the pope, but simply stating what the bible says.
It's your choice to analysis every word and make up your own mind.

He is responsible for his own soul just as you are to yours.
He is no different than you are, for God in His word says is not a respecter of persons.
You take it from there.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

i dont think so. i think youre a nice guy and that you really mean well, but i used to hear the same stuff yo write from my dad when he decided he was "born-again". all it made me feel was tense. all he used to do was quote the bible at us for everything. what good did it do when he deicded we were evil and left my mom and us alone? he wont even talk to me or my brother until we get "born-again" in his cult. i know im just young still, but i am very suspicious of people who claim to know god just because they read a bible. that is why the catholic church makes sense to me. however you look at it, youre talking 2000 years of rules and doctrines. if there is a god, and he is really watching over his church, the fact that the roman catholic church lasted so long is proof to me that that is the place god is taking care of.

Your dad was searching, and many times in our search we have to go through valleys of indecision, where by we are made to discern the right path from the wrong one.
That is the way of life for us all.
We have to experience the lows as well as the highs to be able to determine which is the best path for us.
The lows are the instructors, the highs are the victories, the learned obedience.
But there is always in the high a tendency to become arrogant, proud and boastful.
God sees that and guess what? Down the valley we go again to get instruction until we learn it right.
A word of comfort here: though you go down into the valley, He will never leave you! A promise!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

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It would appear, after 96 pages and over 1700 posts worth of inconclusive discussion and debate, that the correct answer to the OP's question is, "we can't." The Catholics at least have the clearest answer, but it doesn't work for everybody, and it's not permanent. You can be absolved one moment, step out of the confessional in a state of grace, have your eye fall on an attractive member of the opposite sex (or same sex, if you're so inclined) and you're back where you started, in a state of sin.

Simpler solution: reject the whole concept of sin and atonement as a dumb idea which has the sole purpose of inducing guilt and making people easier to manipulate. Rejecting it simplifies and clarifies a lot of issues.

Dexter, not that easy: Here’s the reason why. The flesh on earth is everything against God. That means that the flesh loves the flesh. Every thing here is for the flesh except the part that is for God.
The part that is for God can not be touched by the likes of this world, because it is spirit.
The Spirit of God is an implant into our spirit making us sons of that spirit. And only through that spirit can we be victorious over the lusts of the flesh.

That is what the whole fight is about.

There is no fight if one does not want the implant of the Spirit of God.

God will leave you alone. Let the world give you comfort, let the world heal your sorrows, let the liquor drown your pain. You are left to your own desires at your own cost.

God can heal your sorrows, God can comfort you when you are down, God can give you power over your own flesh. This world has nothing on you if you let God into your life.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[talloola]

Simpler solution: reject the whole concept of sin and atonement as a dumb idea which has the sole purpose of inducing guilt and making people easier to manipulate. Rejecting it simplifies and clarifies a lot of issues.

Dexter, not that easy: Here’s the reason why. The flesh on earth is everything against God. That means that the flesh loves the flesh. Every thing here is for the flesh except the part that is for God.
The part that is for God can not be touched by the likes of this world, because it is spirit.
The Spirit of God is an implant into our spirit making us sons of that spirit. And only through that spirit can we be victorious over the lusts of the flesh.

That is what the whole fight is about.

There is no fight if one does not want the implant of the Spirit of God.

God will leave you alone. Let the world give you comfort, let the world heal your sorrows, let the liquor drown your pain. You are left to your own desires at your own cost.

God can heal your sorrows, God can comfort you when you are down, God can give you power over your own flesh. This world has nothing on you if you let God into your life.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

That makes the "business of religion" successful and not go bankrupt, as they try keep us in a state
of "guilt" and "sin", so that we have to keep begging for forgiveness. " meanies", but that keeps
their business alive and thriving, as it is a neverending circle of visits to the church. I do think
the church is a positive place for helping others, who are lonely and need assistance with food
and shelter, so good for them for doing that.

I won't be a part of it,I just live a normal life, sometimes I'm a little grouchy, and
most times not, life is a bit of a battle, but it's also fun, and vibrant. I don't believe in "fantasy"
things, so I am not welled up with guilt and feeling that I have failed god or anyone else, we all
find a way to work out our problems, some easier than others, but if your going to go through
life feeling sin free one day, then committing sins the next, and then run to the confessional
to get absolved of them, that seems like a silly game, and it will never work for me.
I was in a confessional box many many times as a little girl, and if I had to do that now, I would
feel embarrassed that I was allowing something like that to happen to me.

 

[look3467]

That makes the "business of religion" successful and not go bankrupt, as they try keep us in a state
of "guilt" and "sin", so that we have to keep begging for forgiveness. " meanies", but that keeps
their business alive and thriving, as it is a neverending circle of visits to the church. I do think
the church is a positive place for helping others, who are lonely and need assistance with food
and shelter, so good for them for doing that.

I won't be a part of it,I just live a normal life, sometimes I'm a little grouchy, and
most times not, life is a bit of a battle, but it's also fun, and vibrant. I don't believe in "fantasy"
things, so I am not welled up with guilt and feeling that I have failed god or anyone else, we all
find a way to work out our problems, some easier than others, but if your going to go through
life feeling sin free one day, then committing sins the next, and then run to the confessional
to get absolved of them, that seems like a silly game, and it will never work for me.
I was in a confessional box many many times as a little girl, and if I had to do that now, I would
feel embarrassed that I was allowing something like that to happen to me.

Yes, I agree with you. That is one reason for Jesus driving out the money changes at the temple.
Making of profit: the temple of God.

But it is not a lost cause: for in that arena, are souls searching for God, and God will be found. He promised it.

Guilt is a vehicle by which brings us to our senses. If there is no guilt, then there is no trespass.
If you have no guilt, then you have not transgressed your own conscience.
You have a Godly conscience whether you want to admit it or not, other wise, you would not think to do good.
God knows and understands every human situation, condition and or suffering.
Yours is no different then thousands in the same category.

If you chose to go the course that you are now in, than that’s OK.
But because I know what it is to have God on my side, I chose to make that statement.
If He helped, help and comforts me throughout my life, teaches me to love my enemies, do good to them that despitefully use me, my life is made much more richer.

I am living a life more abundantly believing in Jesus. I value life more, I care more about my neighbor, I judge no church, condemn no one.
I know. There are allot of “I” in my words, but that’s my testimony of the love of God for me.
And I can only but confess it to the world.


If one must confess to God, then go directly to Him. No one needs to know what is in your heart.
God already knows what is in your heart before you even ask. And that is scriptual.


Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[sanctus]

I'm not saying to quit the church, or deny the priest or the pope, but simply stating what the bible says.
It's your choice to analysis every word and make up your own mind.

He is responsible for his own soul just as you are to yours.
He is no different than you are, for God in His word says is not a respecter of persons.
You take it from there.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

I think, my friend, you've missed her point. she wasn't, I believe, stating that her faith was in the Pope or his priests. Her point was, when it comes to defintions of the faith and Scriptural knowledge, she relied more on the wisdom of the Holy Father or the priests over yours.(Unless I misunderstood her of course)

 

[sanctus]

Your dad was searching, and many times in our search we have to go through valleys of indecision, where by we are made to discern the right path from the wrong one.
That is the way of life for us all.
We have to experience the lows as well as the highs to be able to determine which is the best path for us.
The lows are the instructors, the highs are the victories, the learned obedience.
But there is always in the high a tendency to become arrogant, proud and boastful.
God sees that and guess what? Down the valley we go again to get instruction until we learn it right.
A word of comfort here: though you go down into the valley, He will never leave you! A promise!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Come on, her Dad was yet one small example of a guy who picked up his copy of the Bible and made up a religion out of it, much like you have done. It is shameful that her father used the Bible against his own family, and abandoned his wife and children in the name of God. We should pray for him, yes, but excuse his behaviour, no.

 

[sanctus]

Y

If one must confess to God, then go directly to Him. No one needs to know what is in your heart.
God already knows what is in your heart before you even ask. And that is scriptual.


Peace>>>AJ:love9:

And so is confession to the priest, who acts in the name of God to forgive sins.

 

[csanopal]

That makes the "business of religion" successful and not go bankrupt, as they try keep us in a state
of "guilt" and "sin", so that we have to keep begging for forgiveness. " meanies", but that keeps
their business alive and thriving, as it is a neverending circle of visits to the church. I do think
the church is a positive place for helping others, who are lonely and need assistance with food
and shelter, so good for them for doing that. me.

Do you think that is all the Church is interested in?

 

[L Gilbert]

When Christianity comes to that point, then the rest of the other religions will truly see the love of God and will disarm and come to a common understanding in their respective beliefs of what love really is.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

I see, so everything will be ok as long as all the other religions find your god as the common denominator. That's really arrogant and hardly likely, as most don't believe in Yeshua, and there are a few that are polydeist. You expect Hindus to just drop the plethora of gods they''ve been worshipping for a lot longer than your Yahweh has been around and choose your god as the one and only? Or Shintoists to drop the Kami at the drop of a hat and hook up with christianity? Get a grip.

 

[csanopal]

I see, so everything will be ok as long as all the other religions find your god as the common denominator. That's really arrogant and hardly likely, as most don't believe in Yeshua, and there are a few that are polydeist. You expect Hindus to just drop the plethora of gods they''ve been worshipping for a lot longer than your Yahweh has been around and choose your god as the one and only? Or Shintoists to drop the Kami at the drop of a hat and hook up with christianity? Get a grip.

And even if his dream is reached, which version of God are we to adopt? AJ's, Catholic, Anglican????

 

[L Gilbert]

It would appear, after 96 pages and over 1700 posts worth of inconclusive discussion and debate, that the correct answer to the OP's question is, "we can't." The Catholics at least have the clearest answer, but it doesn't work for everybody, and it's not permanent. You can be absolved one moment, step out of the confessional in a state of grace, have your eye fall on an attractive member of the opposite sex (or same sex, if you're so inclined) and you're back where you started, in a state of sin.

Nuts. My answer to sin is simply, "Say no". Just quit sinning. Exercise a little gumption and control yourselves. Quit causing other people grief. (Of course, my definition of "sinning" is causing grief to others.)

 

[mapleleafgirl]

Your dad was searching, and many times in our search we have to go through valleys of indecision, where by we are made to discern the right path from the wrong one.
That is the way of life for us all.
We have to experience the lows as well as the highs to be able to determine which is the best path for us.
The lows are the instructors, the highs are the victories, the learned obedience.
But there is always in the high a tendency to become arrogant, proud and boastful.
God sees that and guess what? Down the valley we go again to get instruction until we learn it right.
A word of comfort here: though you go down into the valley, He will never leave you! A promise!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

my dad was an a**hole who got wrapped up in some sort of cult, or born-again(same difference) and let his little pastor run his life. what was he searching for? a way to dump my mom and us? if that is any way to be a good christian, no thanks buddy. all the bible quotes in the world dont make an a**hole a good person. he used god and the bible as an excuse to dump on us and then take off. let him stay in is valley for all i care.

 

[mapleleafgirl]

Nuts. My answer to sin is simply, "Say no". Just quit sinning. Exercise a little gumption and control yourselves. Quit causing other people grief. (Of course, my definition of "sinning" is causing grief to others.)

that really makes good sense! and you didnt even have to dump 10 million bible quotes to make your point!!!

 

[L Gilbert]

Simpler solution: reject the whole concept of sin and atonement as a dumb idea which has the sole purpose of inducing guilt and making people easier to manipulate. Rejecting it simplifies and clarifies a lot of issues.

Dexter, not that easy: Here’s the reason why. The flesh on earth is everything against God. That means that the flesh loves the flesh. Every thing here is for the flesh except the part that is for God.
The part that is for God can not be touched by the likes of this world, because it is spirit.
The Spirit of God is an implant into our spirit making us sons of that spirit. And only through that spirit can we be victorious over the lusts of the flesh.

Perhaps that is true for weak-minded folks with no self-respect or self-control. But not everyone is the same.

That is what the whole fight is about.

There is no fight if one does not want the implant of the Spirit of God.

God will leave you alone. Let the world give you comfort, let the world heal your sorrows, let the liquor drown your pain. You are left to your own desires at your own cost.

God can heal your sorrows, God can comfort you when you are down, God can give you power over your own flesh. This world has nothing on you if you let God into your life.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

I gave myself power over my own flesh. It's my brain and I don't call it "God". My brain runs my body, not some fantasy.

 

[L Gilbert]

I think, my friend, you've missed her point. she wasn't, I believe, stating that her faith was in the Pope or his priests. Her point was, when it comes to defintions of the faith and Scriptural knowledge, she relied more on the wisdom of the Holy Father or the priests over yours.(Unless I misunderstood her of course)

That's the way I understoof her.

 

[L Gilbert]

Faith in deities = overly complicated ways of figuring out how to behave in a simply neighborly way.

 

[look3467]

I think, my friend, you've missed her point. she wasn't, I believe, stating that her faith was in the Pope or his priests. Her point was, when it comes to definitions of the faith and Scriptural knowledge, she relied more on the wisdom of the Holy Father or the priests over yours.(Unless I misunderstood her of course)

If that is your understanding so stated: then I misunderstood her. And I would say that its quite alright by me to do just that.To rely on the wisdom of the Pope and the Church.

Like I said, I present a different view, giving an opportunity for anyone to strenghten their positions or make a change.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[L Gilbert]

Kinda makes one wonder if misunderstanding modern day English is this frequent, what about understanding of weird language like that in the bible. :|

 

[talloola]

Do you think that is all the Church is interested in?

Didn't you read my complete post, I praised them for helping the needy with food and shelter and
the elderly and lonely.