How can we get rid of our sinfulness?
- Thread starter sanctus
- Start date
i dont believe jesus talked about hell. i never heard this before. sometimes you write over our heads you know.
people can believe whatever they want to-dont you think? why would they have to believe in a church even if they go to it. anyway, who are you to tell people what to believe and not to believe? or what they call themselves? i mean, if i go to a church and it bores me, why would i go back?
With respect, whether you "heard" it or not does not make something fact or fiction. Really, it is such an odd thing that statement, which is often echoed by allot of people-this idea that if they have not heard of something therefore it must not be true. Dosen't this strike you as a rather arrogant assumption on your part?
but to the point, yes, Jesus mentions Hell in the Gospels. Read them before coming to any conclusion
People are certainly free to believe as they wish, of that I have no disagreement. However, if they profess themselves a member of any religious body, it requires them to make a choice in acceptance of that particular faith groups' doctrines. In other words, they are not free at that point to dismiss essential doctrines of the Church if they claim membership in the Church.
A curious statement. Curious because again it suggests the arrogance of mankind to assume that everything revolves around the individual. Duty and obligation never enter into the equation. Everything must "please" the individual before that individual can agree to participate.
This is a shocking fact, perhaps, but no-one should go to Mass/Church to please themselves. THAT IS NOT THE POINT OF ATTENDING CHURCH!
Sanctus, you could not have said it any clearer than that. We are "bound" to that which we believe in.
And like you said "People are certainly free to believe as they wish", there lies the dilemma.
The lack of knowledge of the truth binds us to what knowledge is as interpreted by mankind.
We are free to believe, but not necessarily free from the bondages of mankind's doctrines, unless God Himself delivers us by His Son, as the mediator between God and mankind.
That is accomplished by being born from the Spirit of Jesus. Meaning, Jesus is born or resurrected in our hearts, making us sons of God.
Upon this truth then, are we only really set free! For Jesus being born in us as like a child growing and maturing to perfection, we grow along with Him as He drives out all the evil lustful desires from our flesh, and presents us as perfect to the Father.
This of course is addressed to Jesus, and Jesus addresses this same message to us, in that in His blood we are covered, washed, cleansed: though our sins maybe as scarlet, they shall be white as snow; though they be as red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
This is the "good News" that we humans so dearly seek. All that is needed, is for someone demonstrating the love of Jesus to a lost world, can the world be made "free".
I am free, for Jesus was born in me at age 13, and I am a son of God by birth, born of the Holy Spirit into a new creature, for the new creation, that is not of this world but heavenly.
Jesus has been guiding, forming and shaping me as the Potter molds the clay.
A vessel of honor, to bring glory and praise to Him who resides in my soul.
Of myself, I can and could do nothing; only He who dwells in me is able to deliver me from all my faults.
Who would not want that? There is no religious man made doctrine in that, for that message is direct to us from the Father by Jesus.
For all that was ever spoken of the coming Messiah, Jesus,was fulfilled in one day, and jesus being the last word to us from the Father.
That makes Jesus central to all creation and the only path to salvation.
Jesus is our High Priest, and we have direct access to the Father by Him.
A personal relationship with Jesus is like being married to Him. He is my Adam (Spirit) and I am Eve.(Flesh)
Which makes me a "Living Soul". Not dead! As in the first Adam, but " A Living Soul" in the second Adam, which is Jesus Christ.
Peace>>>AJ
P.S. mapleleafgirl
If Christ is born in you, what hell is there to fear? Just a thought!
why would you take it personally? I was talking about the church elders. you?
The natural sense of mankind is to do something to justify one’s worth to God. Meaning: some kind of penance.
Penance = self-punishment or an act of religious devotion performed to show sorrow for having committed a sin
Otherwise, we feel unworthy to be accepted by God.
Hence: all the different religious beliefs, for everyone has a plan for justifying themselves to God. I.e. Do this, or that, don’t do this or that etc..
The Key is to let Jesus “do the justifying for you”. He has taken our place in our justification.
(propitiation= win somebody’s favor)
.
(Offered to bear= able to endure something)
Circumcision is a physical action of the flesh, but circumcision of the heart is a spiritual action.
When the heart is right with God, the heart puts off the sins of the body.
Note: I am giving you a different perspective of the word of God, you need not accept any of it.
It is as you say, free to believe what one wants.
But, I can truly say, it works for me!
Peace>>>AJ
Born Sinners
We are all born sinners. Sin is our natural nature, how do you change or destroy something that is a (A) natural, (B)socially acceptable, (C)passed down through the generations and (D)ENJOYABLE?
We are all born sinners. Sin is our natural nature, how do you change or destroy something that is a (A) natural, (B)socially acceptable, (C)passed down through the generations and (D)ENJOYABLE?
We are born separate from God, meaning that the flesh must die. And along with that separation, death of our spirit comes as well, upon eating of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
So, what you have here is a baby born innocent of any wrong doings and guilty of nothing but of the physical death.
When that child begins to understand (begins to eat of the fruit of the tree )the difference between good and evil, then the real nature of the flesh is exposed and one is found naked: as in Adam and Eve.
Adam and Eve were innocent until they partook of the tree of Knowledge, and the day they did, sin was exposed.
The question then was: “What must I do to be saved from this condition”?
The answer:
Jesus is the destroyer of all evil works in us. But first He must be born in us so that He may begin to cleanse us from all the natural and lustful desires of the flesh.
Thus, the re-birth!(Or new understandings) Not of flesh, but of spirit!
For: He will expose what is sin in us, and we would make corrections not to abide in those things which He exposed.
It is a personal thing between you and your God, not between you and any thing else.
And the last word in your quote: “ENJOYABLE”? Well, that is the flesh speaking.
Peace>>>AJ
i wonder if it is really our nature. i know everyone always says that, but cant we sort of turn our nature around and be involved with good instead of evil...look at how some peole just seem so frickin' good, like mother teresa
how can we be seperate from god if god created us, and can you try to answer in your own words without using a million bible verse??? not trying to be rude, but would you do that in a conversation, start whipping out bible verses?
no you werent, you wrote it about my comment and said i was dense, unless i didnt understand you??/
but in another post you said we were evil anyway because we are seperate from god? how can i find god in jesus if that is true?
you really do have a point here sanctus. ill give you that. you can be amoslem or a jew or whatever, just dont be a christian cos they get all the flack now. i read somewhjere that some people call the bible hate literatiure and even thoigh im not sure where i stand on that it still sounds so silly.
Foregiveness for my sins.
I mean, why wouldn't people be Christians?
Its a pretty easy religion.
I mean, why wouldn't people be Christians?
Its a pretty easy religion.