How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

sanctus

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Thanks and no offense but even if I were so inclined, I've got a long row to till before I grapple with that one in toto. I've got 5 books on the go, two waiting on the shelf and three more I want to pick up for sure.


Heh heh heh, I thought you'd be impressed!! Five volumes is heavy going under any circumstances. Imagine having to sift through them for 7 years of study! They form, though, the core teachings of the faith even still. An important, landmark series of books from one of the greatest doctors of the Church.
 

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Ah, but what if a libertarian isn't just a libertarian? Doesn't that kinda jerk your little tag of "apologetics for economic determinism" around for a ride? You gotta know there are Christian libertarians, right-wing libertarians, Taoist libertarians, minarchists (like me), civil libertarians, classical libertarians, geolibertarians, etc.


I admit to my ignorance here, what exactly is a "minarchist"?
 

sanctus

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lol
There's another thing, being free of "faith" one can be free from worrying about "going to hell", "judgement day", etc.


Just thinking here, but everyday is really judgement day. Consider that every action we do will often have ramifications on other people. That being true, are we not therefore subject to constant judgement of our behaviour and words? Can we, in fact, do greater harm second by second than overall? That careless comment posted on the internet, that rage at another driver..who knows the ultimate ramifications of such things!
 

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Heh heh heh, I thought you'd be impressed!! Five volumes is heavy going under any circumstances. Imagine having to sift through them for 7 years of study! They form, though, the core teachings of the faith even still. An important, landmark series of books from one of the greatest doctors of the Church.
Well of course I'm impressed. No pictures or funny pages or anything and the parts I have read are pedandic as hell itself. Not that pedantry is necessarily a bad thing but in this case at the very least it certainly serves as a test of commitment
 

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Well of course I'm impressed. No pictures or funny pages or anything and the parts I have read are pedandic as hell itself. Not that pedantry is necessarily a bad thing but in this case at the very least it certainly serves as a test of commitment


Heh heh. I know. not exactly light bathroom reading, is it!
 

look3467

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What is sin? And if sin is defined, who is a sinner?

Sin is defined in the dictionary as a “transgression”.

OK! Whose rules are being transgressed?

We have to have knowledge of that before we can be held accountable for any transgression of what we know.

If we know, and transgress, then that is a sin against that knowledge.

If the knowledge is, that “all” fall short, it only means that there some rules that we should know about that would explain why we fall short.

These rules where set in stone and given: “in care of” the Jewish nation.

To the rest of the world’s peoples, they are a law unto themselves. Meaning, whatever laws they perceive, apart from the ones given to Israel, are the laws they abide by that are similar to the Ten Commandments.

The Gentile worlds, prior to Jesus, had their own form of commandments that for some, had respect for life and for some spiritual entity, of which they knew not.

They were still held accountable for their behavior according to their own rules.

But the true God of mankind was revealed for the whole world to see: in Israel.

Knowledge then of that, would give understanding as to what sin is, and also defining who “ a sinner is”.

The knowledge “of” salvation is also provided by the same revelation to the world by Israel and in Jesus.

For those who do not comprehend what all that means, the word sin and sinner is nonsense.

The only thing one is required to do, is to revel this information to all our fellow human beings, and then let the God of all mankind deal with their hearts.

To require someone to adhere to some form of behavior, is to promote a religion.

Check out my post on the “religious man” on this same forum.

Peace>>>AJ
 

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What is sin? And if sin is defined, who is a sinner?

Sin is defined in the dictionary as a “transgression”.

OK! Whose rules are being transgressed?


Peace>>>AJ

You don't make sense! If we are sinning, aren;t we transgressing the rules of God? And so, do we have to follow tose rules?
 

mapleleafgirl

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Just thinking here, but everyday is really judgement day. Consider that every action we do will often have ramifications on other people. That being true, are we not therefore subject to constant judgement of our behaviour and words? Can we, in fact, do greater harm second by second than overall? That careless comment posted on the internet, that rage at another driver..who knows the ultimate ramifications of such things!

well. so what do we do...it seems as if it is better just to stay our of contact with evrybody. typical cathlic doublespeak, if you dont mind my sayng so.
 

look3467

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You don't make sense! If we are sinning, aren;t we transgressing the rules of God? And so, do we have to follow tose rules?

Hi,
Sin is a transgression of some rule. Do we know what those rules are? And if we do, we know that we are transgressing them when we step over them.

The love for God then, is what should prevent us from stepping over His rules. Do you think?

Peace>>>AJ
 

mapleleafgirl

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Hi,
Sin is a transgression of some rule. Do we know what those rules are? And if we do, we know that we are transgressing them when we step over them.

The love for God then, is what should prevent us from stepping over His rules. Do you think?

Peace>>>AJ

Just the love for god? which set of gods rules-protestant--catholic? born again..who tells us these rules-some church or god himself?
 

look3467

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There are but two commandments that God the Father gave us in Jesus.
Here they are:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
First and for most, one must first be made free!

How can we be able to love God and neighbor when we are under restraints? (bondage)

The first restraint was, that we were “once lost” to an eternal death, so that whatever we desired to do to save ourselves, (by good works), we could not do.

This first restraint was taken away by none other that Precious Jesus.

The second restraint remains and can only be overcome by the power of Jesus in us.

That restraint is all religious practices that restrain the freedom of expression of the love of God freely.

Jesus in us, makes us free from all hindrances of religious contraptions, and allows us to practice those two rules quoted above.

Peace>>>AJ
 

mapleleafgirl

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There are but two commandments that God the Father gave us in Jesus.
Here they are: First and for most, one must first be made free!

How can we be able to love God and neighbor when we are under restraints? (bondage)

The first restraint was, that we were “once lost” to an eternal death, so that whatever we desired to do to save ourselves, (by good works), we could not do.

This first restraint was taken away by none other that Precious Jesus.

The second restraint remains and can only be overcome by the power of Jesus in us.

That restraint is all religious practices that restrain the freedom of expression of the love of God freely.

Jesus in us, makes us free from all hindrances of religious contraptions, and allows us to practice those two rules quoted above.

Peace>>>AJ

so we dont need the wole bible..or going to church. we can throw it all out? except these two?
 

look3467

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Just the love for god? which set of gods rules-protestant--catholic? born again..who tells us these rules-some church or god himself?

Good question! Does your God demostrate love to you? Who ever your God is, that is? If He does, then, the love for that God will prompt you to also love as He loves.

Peace>>>AJ
 

mapleleafgirl

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The two rules if applied will prompt you to love your neigbor as yourself, love God, His word and everything that envolves us to grow in Him.

Peace>>>AJ


but actually yo could just love your neighbours....tha would be enough to start. look, m not the smartest cookie in the jar, i know that. im still learning.one of the reasons i joined this forum. most of what i just read in this thread by anctus and the other guy go way over my head. im only 25 years old for gods sake!but i think that what you write just seems too simple..too easy...
 

look3467

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but actually yo could just love your neighbours....tha would be enough to start. look, m not the smartest cookie in the jar, i know that. im still learning.one of the reasons i joined this forum. most of what i just read in this thread by anctus and the other guy go way over my head. im only 25 years old for gods sake!but i think that what you write just seems too simple..too easy...

Love of God for us is simple. We make it a hard thing by our own interpetations.
We have to learn to operate under that love which He gave us, thus the trials of life.
The tree of knowledge of good and evil is the trial by which we learn to experience both sides so that we may make the right choice to do the good.
For out of trials is love perfected.

Peace>>>AJ
 

BitWhys

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but actually yo could just love your neighbours...

Its not a simple as it sounds. Jesus said:

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." John 13:34-35

once you realize that plain old isn't going to happen the real fun begins.