How about them Canucks!
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dallas started this game just flying, and benn and saigan certainly showed everyone what superstars look
like, jamie benn played here on the island, my grandson played against him in bantam i think, said he
could see back then that he was something special on the ice.
canucks were never in the picture tonight, although i liked the look of shawn matthias, a bit of a bright
spot on the ice, had some chances.
kassian will probably be suspended a couple of games, mAybe 3 as he is a repeat offender, that was a
ridiculous hit, totally unnecessary, immature frustration, and it will cost him.
goalies didn't have a chance, just one goal maybe lack would have liked back.
don't know what will happen with gillis, its kind of hard for aquillini to fire him, cAuse the new
g.m. will want to hire his own coach, and they have to pay torterella for four more years after this
season, so its up to the owner if he wants to fork out that extra money, maybe its pocket change to
him, we'll see.
when torterella came to vancouver all he had to do was light a fire
under the team, it was a very good team, without fire, but no, he decided
to spend a lot of the first part of the season completely changing
the structure of the team, there was nothing wrong with the structure
that vineault put into the team, got them a long way for quite a long
time, they needed the 'fire', torterella would have that same team right
now if he had left structure alone, now he has a mess.
calgary at home on saturday.
like, jamie benn played here on the island, my grandson played against him in bantam i think, said he
could see back then that he was something special on the ice.
canucks were never in the picture tonight, although i liked the look of shawn matthias, a bit of a bright
spot on the ice, had some chances.
kassian will probably be suspended a couple of games, mAybe 3 as he is a repeat offender, that was a
ridiculous hit, totally unnecessary, immature frustration, and it will cost him.
goalies didn't have a chance, just one goal maybe lack would have liked back.
don't know what will happen with gillis, its kind of hard for aquillini to fire him, cAuse the new
g.m. will want to hire his own coach, and they have to pay torterella for four more years after this
season, so its up to the owner if he wants to fork out that extra money, maybe its pocket change to
him, we'll see.
when torterella came to vancouver all he had to do was light a fire
under the team, it was a very good team, without fire, but no, he decided
to spend a lot of the first part of the season completely changing
the structure of the team, there was nothing wrong with the structure
that vineault put into the team, got them a long way for quite a long
time, they needed the 'fire', torterella would have that same team right
now if he had left structure alone, now he has a mess.
calgary at home on saturday.
I didn't like Torterella from the start. The team has gone downhill since he stared. I know this sounds like twenty twenty hindsight but the team went from a pretty good team to a team that will not even make the playoffs. One of Vancouver's good lines was the Sedins and whoever was playing with them. Genius Torterella decided to break them up and the rot set in. Can Vancouver still put together a decent line? Who? Sedin, Kesler, and Burrows??? Maybe, but one good line probably won't win a game but three bad lines can sure lose a game for you.. I don't know where I'd start.
I partly agree with you but we have to remember the 8 game winning streak was under John's watch. I'm not sure exactly when the decline started but I would guess it was either during John's 15 day suspension or during the week layoff they had over Xmas or when Hank was off injured. Every team in the league goes through spells like this (not as bad every year) but they do and I'm sure things will return to normal. Maybe the Stanley Cup just isn't in the cards for them this year!
i remember that you disliked him from the start, thought that was premature, i had to look hard and try
to see his plan.
as i stated above, his plan was far too extreme, he changed a team that was built on speed and fast
breakouts, and talent. the team was 'up' in their attitudes with a new coach coming and really pushed
themselves hard, while trying to learn his so-called structure, which wasn't designed for a talented
team at all, but a grinding team, and lots of shot blocking. i said early on that i didn't think the
team was good enough because even though they had a bit of a winning streak, they didn't look all that
'good'.
one could see the sedins slowing down because of far too many minutes, they aren't built for that kind
of play, they aren't fast to begin with, and to interfere with their natural tendancies of reading
each other and playing their 'connected game' with each other, they began to lose their magic.
lots of shot blocking injuries as well.
burrows had problems because of injuries and lost ice time, i realize that, but now that he is bAck,
the line just doesn't play the same any more, and he has to fit into that line, or he isn't effective.
i don't like torterella's comments, he said yesterday, he doesn't like coming to the rink now, because
of the problems the team is having, what kind of statement is that, stay home then, let someone else
step in who doesn't mind solving problems.
these two young goalies will get lots of work, they will have to stick together and keep each other positive,
and treat this as a good training program, i mean what else can they do.
i just hope the fans don't start booing and jeering the players, i hate that so much, it is very ignorant.
if fans want to complain, send e mails to gillis, make phone calls, write letters, phone radio stations,
but leave the players alone, it isn't their fault, and booing and jeering them will never help them get
better, it will make matters worse, if fans have to do anything at the games, be silent, that also sends
a message, without being mean, the players never go on the ice and not try, they are miserable right now,
and if they hear fans being stupid, they will be more miserable.
fans should support and help the players feel better about themselves, get behind them and lift them up,
its the coach and management that need to be smacked side of the head.
and that old boring statement that fans pay the money to boo and do whatever is, annoying, what good
does it do but make people angry and miserable, is that satisfying, does that make people go home happy
with themselves for 'sh****ng' on the players, will they really think they have done something
constructive.
yes juan i think you were right, torterella has lost respect because of his behavior and olympic remarks.
i think he has duped the management into giving him a five year contract, so now don't know what will happen.
if aquillini wants to get rid of these 'two' it will cost him two contracts with four years left, i wonder
if he has thought about doing that.
jlm, of course the team has gone thru ups and down over the years, all teams do that, but this particular
down time is the worst i've seen from the canucks in many many years, and i wasn't all that thrilled with
the team this season anyway, they added players who are not considered top players, santorelli for one
played way over his head until injured, so i never thought he was going to continue that stellar play,
he just isn't that good, but he is a hard worker.
the twins are the biggest puzzle, and last nights post interview with henrik was the lowest i have ever
heard him, he is embarrassed.
Great post Talloola. I agree with every point you made. As far as Torts is concerned, he just doesn't have the knowledge to be a head coach in the NHL. His frequent brain cramps were an embarrassment. I would have fired him when he went running down to the opposition dressing room. Part of this problem is the long term contracts that Gillis is fond of handing out. Luongo must have been relieved to get off the team. The poor guy was "trade bait" for a long time. When all is said and done I hope Gillis will take his share of the responsibility for the mess the team is in.
yes, i agree, and i'm sure aquillini has thought about that in hindsight by now.
gillis said at that press conference, that he is going to make big changes in the team, get much
younger, well, he didn't do much of anything at all, didn't live up to that statement, and
just continued with more of the same.
what bothers me right now is that if torterella stays, the management will supply him with
the players 'he' wants, which will be big shot blocking grinders, as he won't want any
high end talented offensive players to put the puck in the net, he will coach a team to
block shots, and scramble to the net hoping for the garbage goal.
that isn't what we want, isn't what we have had, and the canucks need a coach who can
nourish the talent, while keeping the team defensively responsible.
i see now that torterella coaches from an emotional position only, tries to push and shove
the players into being physically intimidating, and emotionally connected all the time, but
the structure and technical side of the game is forgotton, and now i see even the defense
is beginning to fracture, jeesh the poor goalies, if the team ever needed luongo it is now,
as he could coAch the team in the dressing room, and help lack and the defense. just kidding of course, sort of.
what we can look forward to is the next win, i'm sure they will win a
game somewhere along the way, won't they?
I'm of the opinion Tortorella lost the team with Calgary fiasco. He's the guy who wouldn't have accepted good as good enough and would've been bashing guys for not staying disciplined to the system. Then he commits an absolutely undisciplined charge into the Flames tunnel. His rants, which like you said he coaches by, may have lost all credibility. How many times did he take Kassian over the coals for his lack of discipline? It's no wonder Zack is back on the suspended list. And who is Torts to criticize him for it?
yes, i have thought that a few times, how can he look any player in the eye, and trash him for behavior,
or dicipline, he can't, he threw away that asset with his own behavior.
i'm sure the players are going to take the bit in their own mouths soon and run with their own style
of pridefull play, might not get it done, but it will look better i imagine, at least they will
look like they have pride in themselves and want to win, i didn't see that in the last few games,
they looked beaten down, and torterella stands behind the bench making all of his usual faces.
i see nicolas jensson has been called up now, he should have come up a few weeks ago, hope he
helps the team, hope he has success, maybe he will play with henrik, can't remember if he is
a centerman or a winger. (he is a winger)
I think the worst spell was when they lost 11 straight back in the 90s, I forget who got canned, probably either Quinn, Rennie or Keenan and maybe Brian Burke as well. My memory is getting dim.
On second thought it may have been Bob McCammon!
On second thought it may have been Bob McCammon!
i just watched luongo play his first game in florida, they won 2-0 for a shutout. they were all very
upbeat having him back, he wore the same mask he wore when he was there, still had it in a closet
somewhere.
except for the big bank balance he has, he might think he just had a bAd dream of going to vancouver,
just woke up and found himself still in florida.
good luck to him, good start, they have a nice team, and the new owner has big plans, deep pockets,
and has said he wants the team to become a winner, and he is going to spend money.
upbeat having him back, he wore the same mask he wore when he was there, still had it in a closet
somewhere.
except for the big bank balance he has, he might think he just had a bAd dream of going to vancouver,
just woke up and found himself still in florida.
good luck to him, good start, they have a nice team, and the new owner has big plans, deep pockets,
and has said he wants the team to become a winner, and he is going to spend money.
Good for Lu! I hope the Canucks (organization) didn't leave a bad taste in his mouth.