How about them Canucks!

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That would only be true if the winner was decided by chance or if the teams were evenly match. Again, I don't know hockey but the fact that it went to game 7 only hides the fact that Vancouver got their asses handed to them. It's not evidence that we had an equal chance of winning.

Vancouver wins
1 - 0
3 - 2 Overtime
1 - 0

Boston wins
8 -1
4 - 0
5 - 2
4 - 0

Maybe someone can explain how the Canucks played well and almost made it when the scoring shows we squeaked by in all of our three wins and were blown out in all of our four losses (I guess 5 - 2 wasn't that bad). Seems more reasonably to say that we were lucky to have made it to game 7 and we could have been lucky and won. But it wasn't the better team that won, but the much better team that won.

Before you get too overwhelmed with your evaluation of the situation you might want to remember that Boston was superior for 7 games, while the Canucks were superior for 82 games. That's the procedure so I'm not whining, but I'm not forgetting over the long haul the Canucks are the best team in the N.H.L. President's Trophy is the true measure, the Stanley Cup just tops up the coffers for some teams.
 

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Before you get too overwhelmed with your evaluation of the situation you might want to remember that Boston was superior for 7 games, while the Canucks were superior for 82 games.

If the Canucks always played fantastically in the first two periods and then choked in the third and did this every game, would you think they were equal to their opponents? You gotta play the whole game, not just the beginning. Boston went the distant and made it to the final, just like we did, and then whooped our ass. Boston is obviously the better team. Way better.


President's Trophy is the true measure, the Stanley Cup just tops up the coffers for some teams.

Since when? Since Vancouver won it and lost the final. If they had never won the President's trophy but won the Stanley Cup would you give a damn about the President's trophy? Come on. Get real.
 

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JLM, is there not a gathering of some sort so fans and the Canucks can%2

something went wierd, I did a reply, but nothing showed up, so here goes again.

don't know of any gathering between fans and canucks, but there is a press conference today gillis/vineault, so I will watch/listen to that.

I never really shut down from the hockey, as I follow all the 'stuff', draft,
free agency, buy outs, health of players, movement around the league,
then training camp, its all fun for me, my daughters told me I should have been
a general manager of a team. lol

On my end too, talloola. I was trying to reply and the whole thing went screwy? Anyway I just finished listening to most of AV and Mike's interview with the media today. I almost lost it when I heard some of the questions that reporters asked them - no wonder you have youth willing to go over the edge when they listen to the utter lack of civility from some reporters.

The list of injuries to the players did not surprise me at all though it would be interesting to know the list of injuries to Bruin's players for comparison.

The emotion in AV's voice brought tears to my eyes, talloola. Say what you will about some of his coaching decisions, what you cannot take away from the man is his love for and the pride he has for the guys on his team, and the same thing can be said for Mike. I wasn't able to catch any announcement about a get-together but I tuned in a bit late.
 

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Before you get too overwhelmed with your evaluation of the situation you might want to remember that Boston was superior for 7 games, while the Canucks were superior for 82 games. That's the procedure so I'm not whining, but I'm not forgetting over the long haul the Canucks are the best team in the N.H.L. President's Trophy is the true measure, the Stanley Cup just tops up the coffers for some teams.

Playoffs are there for the losers to acquit themselves.

In any and all sports the team that is the best through the long regular season is THE BEST team.

Just as a stupid farmer can grow big potatoes and a blind pig can find acorns, a lucky untalented team can become a "champion".
 

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On my end too, talloola. I was trying to reply and the whole thing went screwy? Anyway I just finished listening to most of AV and Mike's interview with the media today. I almost lost it when I heard some of the questions that reporters asked them - no wonder you have youth willing to go over the edge when they listen to the utter lack of civility from some reporters.

The list of injuries to the players did not surprise me at all though it would be interesting to know the list of injuries to Bruin's players for comparison.

The emotion in AV's voice brought tears to my eyes, talloola. Say what you will about some of his coaching decisions, what you cannot take away from the man is his love for and the pride he has for the guys on his team, and the same thing can be said for Mike. I wasn't able to catch any announcement about a get-together but I tuned in a bit late.

I think AV has a bad cold.
yes lots of injuries, and i'm sure boston has some to announce as well, although I do think canucks
had more than their share.

I'm glad to hear that gillis wants to keep schneider, and said that as he shows more improvement, he
will get more ice time, and that he wants to help luongo improve to the point that he can be a
champion, I get that, it makes sense.

If the Canucks always played fantastically in the first two periods and then choked in the third and did this every game, would you think they were equal to their opponents? You gotta play the whole game, not just the beginning. Boston went the distant and made it to the final, just like we did, and then whooped our ass. Boston is obviously the better team. Way better.




Since when? Since Vancouver won it and lost the final. If they had never won the President's trophy but won the Stanley Cup would you give a damn about the President's trophy? Come on. Get real.

we and the general manager and the coach, has stated that the better team won. No one needs to be
spiteful and sarcastic about it, it is just what it is, there was only two teams, one had to
win, and one had to lose.

That is sport, nothing awful about it, 'stuff' happens along the way, injuries, good or bad goalkeeping,
confidence building, confidence waining, all of that is just reality in sport.

don't really know what there is to be snitty about. I am proud of the canucks winning the presidents'
cup, and I won't soon forget about it.

Its two seasons, one long one and one short one, both are important, but of course everyone builds up to the grand finale, but any team can win the playoffs, once they are there, things happen
to bring them down or push them along, but the season is very long and it is extremely hard to stay
at the top for as long as the canucks did, and win the presidents' trophy, and also have the records
they had for the season, and we will not treat all of that as though it means nothing, those guys
earned all of those stats, and they are important stats, and just watch how many canucks make the
trip to las vegas to the awards banquet, as they have been nominated, or have won awards, impressive.

I love the whole season, and I love the playoffs, I love hockey played by the
best players in the world, and that is the NHL.

That, my friend, is getting real.
 
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Post Mortem comments:

I don't see any reason why the Canucks can't have a true two-goaltender system. Many do. Unless they trade Schneider to get a major asset I can seem him getting 30-40 games next year. Assuming they make the playoffs next year they should be putting in the hottest guy and not feel they need to play Luongo, for any reason. No matter what they say now, they weren't in a position to bail on Luongo in the final. Too much was invested in him, and not just money.

The Sedins will be fine. They would've been a lot more effective if someone else got a goal here and there. Too much expected from them and if the opposition focuses solely on shutting them down without fear of any other offense then they will never win. They need to get a bit more size in the lineup and a little more firepower in the second and third lines. One or two additions and they will be fine.

I hear all the defensemen are wanting to stick around and even play for less. Looks like there is a good long term thing going.
 

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Post Mortem comments:

I don't see any reason why the Canucks can't have a true two-goaltender system. Many do. Unless they trade Schneider to get a major asset I can seem him getting 30-40 games next year. Assuming they make the playoffs next year they should be putting in the hottest guy and not feel they need to play Luongo, for any reason. No matter what they say now, they weren't in a position to bail on Luongo in the final. Too much was invested in him, and not just money.

The Sedins will be fine. They would've been a lot more effective if someone else got a goal here and there. Too much expected from them and if the opposition focuses solely on shutting them down without fear of any other offense then they will never win. They need to get a bit more size in the lineup and a little more firepower in the second and third lines. One or two additions and they will be fine.

I hear all the defensemen are wanting to stick around and even play for less. Looks like there is a good long term thing going.

I tend to agree. I think they have to come to terms with the fact that Luongo's $64 million was a mistake, suck it up and move on, and just do what they have to do to win. Ironically the outfit took in $33 million in gate receipts Wed. night, which puts the $64 million in different perspective. :smile:
 

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I tend to agree. I think they have to come to terms with the fact that Luongo's $64 million was a mistake, suck it up and move on, and just do what they have to do to win. Ironically the outfit took in $33 million in gate receipts Wed. night, which puts the $64 million in different perspective. :smile:

Yes that long contract was a mistake. After I listened to the news conference today, I felt pretty good
about next year, as it is clear that they are keeping schneider, and want him to get better and have
'more' playing time, and they want to help luongo improve so that he is capable of becoming a champion.
Showed me that they have a good healthy view of their goaltending, and gillis made it very clear how
much he likes schneider, and wants him around.

The team that played in the final series was 'not' the team that finished the regular season, and even
that team was minus malhotra. They gradually, throughout the 3rd and 4th series lost player after player,
not that they were all out of the lineup, but a good example is kesler, he went from being a strong
power forward who was the engine that ran second line to a player who had ordinary skills, and just
worked hard, because his hip was injured and hampered his ability, because when he
was healthy that second line was excellent, and will be again when kesler and
friends are in top shape.

These aren't excuses, just facts, and when they read out all of the injuries today, (ten of them), it
was very clear the team was crippled, and gillis said as much.

They did the best they could under the circumstances, and it is all just part of the playoffs, and
also is a good reason why no one can really figure out who will ever win, because these things happen
to players on many different teams, changing their ability to perform at their best.

Luongo was not injured, but in my opinion, he felt the pressure of the playoffs, and I think that is
why he floundered away from home rink, he can learn to be tougher next time, having
gone through it this season,

And, yes kreskin, next year the goalies will become a little more equal, (probably not alltogether),
and schneider will be given more respect, more playing time, and make his mark on this team.

It is allready exciting.

Yes, I heard bieksa say on team 1040 today, he will play for less to stay in vancouver, thats where
he wants to be, to continue building a winner.

But I still feel irritated remembering that chiago could have won that first series
in overtime, and no one would have accepted the team just getting back to the
drawing board, (as they will do now), and making the team better for next year,
the rath of the fans and media would have driven people out of town, and they
would have had to do a rebuild, when it wouldn't have been necessary, just because
people would have been having tantrums because they didn't have things their way.

A very very fine line, between sharp not scoring that goal, or scoring that goal.

I will never understand that mentality.

p.s. the salary cap is going up to about 60 million, which will give gillis's
capologist more room to calculate salaries, and perhaps now they can keep both
bieksa and erhoff.
 
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Anyone who loses early or doesn't make the playoffs is fair game for the wrath of fans or even job loss. It was said early in the playoffs that Claude Julian was coaching for his job. He would probably be fired already if they had lost in the first couple of rounds. No one is immune to losing.

Two years ago Thomas lost his job and did a stint in the minors. There isn't much room for chronic losing in professional sports, no matter how much potential talent there is.
 

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Anyone who loses early or doesn't make the playoffs is fair game for the wrath of fans or even job loss. It was said early in the playoffs that Claude Julian was coaching for his job. He would probably be fired already if they had lost in the first couple of rounds. No one is immune to losing.

Two years ago Thomas lost his job and did a stint in the minors. There isn't much room for chronic losing in professional sports, no matter how much potential talent there is.

yep, I know it, what does fair game mean, doesn't mean it is sensible or helpful to the team, it only
means they are doing something to satisfying the whining.

In my opinion the firing of coaches makes sense when they haven't been able to bring a team along over
a decent period of time, and it is obvious that there is some sort of disconnect between coach and
players, and same works for players, good managing will let players go over a decent period of time,
because of obvious problems, or because there is a good trade available to make the team better.

all of that playoff frenzie and panic is just that, frenzie and panic, and the public and media have
to be 'soothed'.

If Claud Julien was on the firing block, it had been built up during the season, then the playoffs
could have been the last nail in the coffin.

I know how it all works, I don't agree with it.
 

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that cannot be real, he didn't really say such things.

Darn dial-up, I can't download that audio, would take me all day. What kind of things was Thomas saying???

that link should have been in'fun & jokes'.
 
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Darn dial-up, I can't download that audio, would take me all day. What kind of things was Thomas saying???

that link should have been 'fun & jokes'.

I listened to it - couldn't make head nor tails of most of it. The man looks obnoxious!
 

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I listened to it - couldn't make head nor tails of most of it. The man looks obnoxious!

the video showed thomas as he shook hands with each canuck player, eg. you didn't score on me, you didn't
score on me, you didn't score on me, had a dream about you the other night, 2nd again aye, and with
luongo, "4 is better than 8" and on and on, it was ridiculous.

different words were dubbed in instead of what he actually said, although when you watch it you cannot
tell that is being done.
 

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the video showed thomas as he shook hands with each canuck player, eg. you didn't score on me, you didn't
score on me, you didn't score on me, had a dream about you the other night, 2nd again aye, and with
luongo, "4 is better than 8" and on and on, it was ridiculous.

different words were dubbed in instead of what he actually said, although when you watch it you cannot
tell that is being done.

Ahhhhhh ................... just much ado about nothing then, hardly thought Kreskin's Dos Equis man would lose it now. :smile: