House of Representatives debating repealing ban on gays in military

[Dexter Sinister]

If sexuality required licensing what would you set the fees at? Would heteros be incarcerated for boinking without a license and tossed into the cooler?

I know you're being tongue in cheek there but... Sexuality and sexual activity aren't the same thing, and there are jurisdictions where certain activities were illegal until relatively recently. Probably still are, actually, some belief systems are obsessed with controlling human sexual behaviour and I'm sure someone like coldstream would happily see certain behaviours made illegal. It's not something I've researched, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there are places where oral sex, for instance, or using anything but the missionary position, is an indictable offense, and people who think it should be. There used to be laws against miscegenation in some places, and I'm sure there still are, and I'm equally sure there are places where it isn't illegal but you could still get lynched for it. Still a long way to go with raising human consciousness.

 

[petros]

Sexuality and sexual activity aren't the same thing

and they are called hetrosexuality and homosexuality because?

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[Dexter Sinister]

I don't really wanna play the dictionary game, it rarely goes anywhere enlightening. Your sexuality is the character of your sexual interests and strength, your sexual activity is what you do about them.

 

[DaSleeper]

There either is a right or there isn't Das. Jack can't just make up rights as he pleases.

He could actually try reading Rumsfeld v. FAIR, you could as well:
Rumsfeld v. FAIR

A quote from your opwn link...

Congress originally passed the amendment in 1994, in response to universities which, citing their non-discrimination policies, prohibited military representatives from recruiting on campus because of the military’s policy of excluding homosexuals.

That is why I read YukonJack to mean that since congress just lifted the ban on Gays in the Military it removes the reason for the universities prohibiting the military from recruiting there.
Jack just took it a step further by saying it discriminates against gays...but that's YukonJack....I got what he meant...without the exageration;-)

 

[petros]

I don't really wanna play the dictionary game, it rarely goes anywhere enlightening. Your sexuality is the character of your sexual interests and strength, your sexual activity is what you do about them.

Is that like being "sort of pregnant"? Sexuality and sexual activity are one in the same.

 

[YukonJack]

Only because people who believe that make it so. If they'd mind their own business and let people love who they want there'd be no issue.

On the broader matter of rights though, it appears from recent exchanges here that a lot of people don't really know what a right is. For something to be a right means you are entitled to act on it without the permission of others. I'd be very surprised if military recruiters could set up a booth on a university's premises without the university's consent, for example, so that's not a right. Similarly, you don't have a right to drive a car, get married, go fishing, or practice medicine. Anything that requires permission from others, like in the form of a license as those do, is not a right. Rights extend only to asking for the permission, there's no guarantee you'll get it.

Fine and dandy!

But if only ONE soldier, sailor or marine says that he is worried about the integrity of his anus in the common shower, should not his RIGHT be considered?

 

[TenPenny]

But if only ONE soldier, sailor or marine says that he is worried about the integrity of his anus in the common shower, should not his RIGHT be considered?

Are you laboring under the belief that soldiers are somehow incapable of controlling their sexual urges, and are likely to rape other soldiers in the shower?

You don't think much of American soldiers, do you?

 

[Icarus27k]

So McCain officially blew his gasket and the bitter tears taste pretty good.

YouTube - Sen. John McCain's Bitter Senate Floor Speech Before DADT Vote

Yeah, it was the most embarrassing speech I ever heard McCain give.

 

[petros]

Fine and dandy!

But if only ONE soldier, sailor or marine says that he is worried about the integrity of his anus in the common shower, should not his RIGHT be considered?

Then the US army marines or navy has a rapist on it's hands and will deal with a rapist the way they deal with rapists.


If hetero soldiers are taking off to go boinking in the showers is that okay?

 

[Unforgiven]

Make Over Party!