Hiroshima and Nagasaki

EagleSmack

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An atomic bomb the size of a rucksack would have sufficed for such targets. 'Little Boy' was not little at all, if you've ever seen pictures of it. While parts of these cities could have been legitimate targets, the cities as a whole sure as hell were not.

Again.. they didn't have any A-Bombs the size of a rucksack. The technology wasn't there.
 

Machjo

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The technology for tiny atomic bombs was years away.

I'm no expert on nukes, but I fail to see how just making the same thing smaller requires any special new technology?

The bomb was huge. Even building something the size of a rucksack would have been more than big enough to build with the naked eye. We're not talking about nanotechnology here.
 

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Warning was certainly a good idea, but even that doesn't justify such massive explosions. Small-scale and restricted nuke production would have been more reasonable. Again, with Japan across the sea from the US, the US' only objective should have been to completely obliterate the Japanese fleet and then offer a friendly ceasefire, with threat of constant blockade until then.

You can't be serious.




Once the Japanese would have seen its fleet completely destroyed, it would certainly have given up, especially seeing that it would have been given a chance to end hostilities while saving face. By not giving Japan a chance to save face, the US had essentially made further hostilities imminent.

It was completely destroyed for all intents and purposes.

Good grief.
 

Risus

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The technology for tiny atomic bombs was years away.

Besides the Japanese navy was pretty much wiped out near the end of the war as it was.

Targeting population centers was the way that war went for everyone involved.



Thats right man...and we got nukes too and aren't afraid to use them!

A typical arrogant hypocrite yankee. You guys like to hear yourselves blither crap, eh? As long as no one else appears to be threatening you. Um, perhaps the whole problem is that you guys were caught with your pants down at Pearl Harbour and that got under your skin? Just like 9-11... Hurt your pride, eh????
 
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EagleSmack

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I'm no expert on nukes, but I fail to see how just making the same thing smaller requires any special new technology?

The bomb was huge. Even building something the size of a rucksack would have been more than big enough to build with the naked eye. We're not talking about nanotechnology here.

Yes it does require new technology. Look at the progress of computers and how long it took to make a lap top. What about cell phones? Remember the brick sized phones we used to carry and what we carry today?

A typical arrogant hypocrite yankee. You guys like to hear yourselves blither crap, eh? As long as no one else appears to be threatening you. Um, perhaps the whole problem is that you guys were caught with your pants down at Pearl Harbour and that got under your skin? Just like 9-11... Hurt your pride, eh????

Yeah and we burned them up pretty good didn't we! LOL
 

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Yes it does require new technology. Look at the progress of computers and how long it took to make a lap top. What about cell phones? Remember the brick sized phones we used to carry and what we carry today?

There is a difference in the level of precision technology in these comparisons. I'm sure the same specifications could have been aplied minus the quantity of uranium. Most of the bulk of the bomb was just uranium. Obviously by reducing the amount of uranium in the bomb, the casing wouldhave been smaller even if all other specifications weren't. They could have built it the size of a conventional dive-bomber bomb, which would still have been able to wipe out a ship for sure and likely seriously damage any ship near it too.
 

EagleSmack

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You have just proven my point. You like to dish it out but can't take it. Its the yankee way or the highway. Sorry your s%#t stinks like everyone else's.

What are you even talking about? We were having a civil debate until you came in with your insecurities as usual.

A-Bomb...

Made in the USA... Tested in Japan.

How's that?

What's the issue Risus?

He's just being himself Machjo
 

Risus

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What's the issue Risus?
yankee hypocritical arrogance. They can use a weapon (well, two) of mass destruction, but they don't want anyone else to possess or use them.

What are you even talking about? We were having a civil debate until you came in with your insecurities as usual.

A-Bomb...

Made in the USA... Tested in Japan.

How's that?
If you can't see beyond your blind follow the yankee hypocritical arrogance, too bad. You keep on proving it every time you speak. You are just proving my point. You can't take a little criticism. You think you guys are perfect, but you definitely are not. Nothing insecure about me, but you fall into that category. I was civil from the start, just pointed out your faults.
 

Machjo

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yankee hypocritical arrogance. They can use a weapon (well, two) of mass destruction, but they don't want anyone else to possess or use them.

Aren't you just revealing national prejudice here by assuming all Americans think alike?

Sure it's reasonable to speculate on alternative options the US government may have had rather than bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but to just start spewing anti-American prejudice about how all Americans are evil, it's not different from any other prejudice, racial, religious, or otherwise. National prejudice is no better.
 

EagleSmack

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yankee hypocritical arrogance. They can use a weapon (well, two) of mass destruction, but they don't want anyone else to possess or use them.

Typical ignorance.


If you can't see beyond your blind follow the yankee hypocritical arrogance, too bad. You keep on proving it every time you speak. You are just proving my point. You can't take a little criticism. You think you guys are perfect, but you definitely are not. Nothing insecure about me, but you fall into that category. I was civil from the start, just pointed out your faults.

Someday you might even make sense.

You are completely insecure, you always have been.

Here's one for you boy...


YouTube - ‪Atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki (real footage)‬‎


lol

Aren't you just revealing national prejudice here by assuming all Americans think alike?

Sure it's reasonable to speculate on alternative options the US government may have had rather than bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but to just start spewing anti-American prejudice about how all Americans are evil, it's not different from any other prejudice, racial, religious, or otherwise. National prejudice is no better.

What else do you expect from the troll. He's obsessed with the US and wallows in insecurity.
 

Risus

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Typical ignorance.




Someday you might even make sense.

You are completely insecure, you always have been.

Here's one for you boy...


lol



What else do you expect from the troll. He's obsessed with the US and wallows in insecurity.

You find humor in the murder of so many innocent civilians, women and children? You are a sick individual, like most of your countrymen...
 

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...Obviously smaller bombs would have had a higher production rate.As for the design, they could have used the same or similar desing and just build it smaller.

Not true. A Hydrogen bomb is an Atomic bomb. Think of the A-Bomb as an ignition source and Hydrogen as fuel. Yes its deuterium and/or tritium, but Canada's Candu reactors produce these elements as waste by-products, which we sell to the US where they officially use it for experimental purposes.

Nuclear weapon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Teller-Ulam_device_3D.svg
The second basic type of nuclear weapon produces a large amount of its energy through nuclear fusion reactions. Such fusion weapons are generally referred to as thermonuclear weapons or more colloquially as hydrogen bombs (abbreviated as H-bombs), as they rely on fusion reactions between isotopes of hydrogen (deuterium and tritium). However, all such weapons derive a significant portion, and sometimes a majority, of their energy from fission (including fission induced by neutrons from fusion reactions). Unlike fission weapons, there are no inherent limits on the energy released by thermonuclear weapons. Only six countries—United States, Russia, United Kingdom, People's Republic of China, France and India—have conducted thermonuclear weapon tests. (Whether India has detonated a "true", multi-staged thermonuclear weapon is controversial.)[4]

The basics of the Teller–Ulam design for a hydrogen bomb: a fission bomb uses radiation to compress and heat a separate section of fusion fuel.


Thermonuclear bombs work by using the energy of a fission bomb to compress and heat fusion fuel. In the Teller-Ulam design, which accounts for all multi-megaton yield hydrogen bombs, this is accomplished by placing a fission bomb and fusion fuel (tritium, deuterium, or lithium deuteride) in proximity within a special, radiation-reflecting container. When the fission bomb is detonated, gamma and X-rays emitted first compress the fusion fuel, then heat it to thermonuclear temperatures. The ensuing fusion reaction creates enormous numbers of high-speed neutrons, which can then induce fission in materials not normally prone to it, such as depleted uranium. Each of these components is known as a "stage", with the fission bomb as the "primary" and the fusion capsule as the "secondary". In large hydrogen bombs, about half of the yield, and much of the resulting nuclear fallout, comes from the final fissioning of depleted uranium.[3]
By chaining together numerous stages with increasing amounts of fusion fuel, thermonuclear weapons can be made to an almost arbitrary yield; the largest ever detonated (the Tsar Bomba of the USSR) released an energy equivalent of over 50 million tons (50 megatons) of TNT. Most thermonuclear weapons are considerably smaller than this, due to practical constraints arising from the space and weight requirements of missile warheads.[5]
 
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Machjo

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Poor igloo dweller.


Here's another neat clip!


YouTube - ‪Hiroshima: Dropping the Bomb‬‎

The total lack of resistance on the part of the Japanese is telling. Do you shoot an unarmed man without reason or provocation? Clearly Japan's civilian population was no threat whatsoever to the USA. Now, had we been talking about a smaller atomic bomb powerful enough to destroy a ship, that would be reasonable, assuming it was in fact targeting military ships that were genuine threats. Destroying an entire city just to send a message was barbaric.
 

EagleSmack

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The total lack of resistance on the part of the Japanese is telling. Do you shoot an unarmed man without reason or provocation? Clearly Japan's civilian population was no threat whatsoever to the USA. Now, had we been talking about a smaller atomic bomb powerful enough to destroy a ship, that would be reasonable, assuming it was in fact targeting military ships that were genuine threats. Destroying an entire city just to send a message was barbaric.

The total lack of resistance of the Japanese? Honestly Machjo, I really don't believe you have a concept of what the Japanese nation was at that time.

Also, what is your obsession with small nukes? Small nukes to destroy a ship? We had bombs that could do that.

In 1945 there were no mini-atomic bombs. The technology was not there.

The US didn't nuke two cities to send a message, they nuked them to end a war.
 

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I'm no expert on nukes, but I fail to see how just making the same thing smaller requires any special new technology?

The bomb was huge. Even building something the size of a rucksack would have been more than big enough to build with the naked eye. We're not talking about nanotechnology here.

The bombing August 6, 1945 was only the second man made nuclear explosion in history. It weighed about 9000 lb total weight. Blast yield 13-18 kt.

The Nagasaki bomb "Fat Man" dropped August 9, 1945 weighed in at 10,200 lb with a blast yield of 21 kt or about 42 million sticks of dynamite.

By today's standards these were popguns. Today a W76 warhead has a yield of 100 kt. The most power the U.S, has at its disposal today is a B53 nuclear bomb which has a variable warhead that yields 9,000 kt to 38,000 kt.

Bottom line we only had 3 bombs ant the time of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, the third one was the test bomb. If we would have needed any more, we did not have any it was sort of a bluff to surrender,


Not true. A Hydrogen bomb is an Atomic bomb. Think of the A-Bomb as an ignition source and Hydrogen as fuel. Yes its deuterium and/or tritium, but Canada's Candu reactors produce these elements as waste by-products, which we sell to the US where they officially use it for experimental purposes.

Nuclear weapon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

File:Teller-Ulam device 3D.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are absolutely right about what we didn't know about the consequences of setting of nuclear explosions. Even after the was they were testing bombs with soldiers in trenches no more that 19-15 miles away. Then had those soldiers march into the dust cloud to check out the actual damage. Who know how many died. All this seen on the evening news.
 

EagleSmack

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You are absolutely right about what we didn't know about the consequences of setting of nuclear explosions. Even after the was they were testing bombs with soldiers in trenches no more that 19-15 miles away. Then had those soldiers march into the dust cloud to check out the actual damage. Who know how many died. All this seen on the evening news.

Trinity

Those initial Cold War tests were insane. I know exactly the films you are talking about.