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Cannuck

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Id say she has it backwards also, no one fears no one. The English arent pushing a genocidal agenda against the french language. If anythign its the opposite. You can go anywhere in Ontario that has a French speaking majority and you will see them living happily and peacefully. Anyone who has ever been to hearst knows what im talking about. And if you say im lieing ask yourself this, when was the last time you saw cops beat someone in Ontario for speaking french?

Sepratism has become a career in quebec, they wont seperate because they will be out of jobs and disappear... They talk about shooting themselves in the foot but who actually shoots themself in the foot on purpose?

Whenever i hear this sepratism issue all i hear is wribbit wribbit wribbit

My dad was back visiting last summer (he's from the Gaspe) and he walk into the local coffee row with his cousin. Everybody was talking French. When his cousin introduced him in English, everybody switch to English and not a French word was spoken the rest of the time my dad was there. There simply is no French/English problem there except for the ones the politicians create.
 

Durry

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Time to get your facts straight.

The BQ was founded in 1991. So long for them being official opposition in the 1980s. They were the official opposition after the 1993 federal election. They lost that title in 1997.

The PQ is a provincial party in Quebec. While they are all separatists, there is a big difference between the BQ and the PQ.

Gilles Duceppe could not be Prime Minister. No GG deserving of the title would accept such a situation.
Thanks for the corrections.
Being a westerner, PQ and BQ is something I don't pay a lot of attention too, but maybe I should.

Your right about my error of the 1980's, I briefly heard the year on the car radio and didn't give it much though when I wrote my post as I remembered that in the past the BQ were the opposition.

In terms of your idea that the GG, would not give Gilles the rains of power, well, I'm not sure he would refuse if Gilles told him he would not pursue separation while he is holding the rains of power.
 

Bar Sinister

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I personally think a simple counter to the sovereignist movement is to promote federal decentralism to the extreme. This way each province would be so autonomous for the most part that Quebecers would no longer see any benefit to separation.


Ah yes, the Mulroney Plan AKA the Meech Lake Accord. It appears that did not go down very well last time with most Canadians in spite of excessive CBC and CTV fearmongering. Nor was the Charlottetown Accord (essentially the bastard son of Meech) particularly popular when a majority of Canadians voted it into oblivion.
 

jgarden

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Separartism only became an issue after Harper introduced it as a "scare" tactic. If Quebec was determined to separate, why the "disconnect" between voting for the "Bloc" federally, but the "Liberals" provincially. Gilles Duceppe has actually been criticized by his own supporters for not giving "separatism" enough emphasis in his speeches.

It appears that many Quebecers, who are not "separatists," like the idea of voting for just one party who can represent Quebec's interests in Ottawa. Many consider Duceppe as the most effective leader available, despite his position as a "separatist,"
 

Colpy

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Separartism only became an issue after Harper introduced it as a "scare" tactic. If Quebec was determined to separate, why the "disconnect" between voting for the "Bloc" federally, but the "Liberals" provincially. Gilles Duceppe has actually been criticized by his own supporters for not giving "separatism" enough emphasis in his speeches.

It appears that many Quebecers, who are not "separatists," like the idea of voting for just one party who can represent Quebec's interests in Ottawa. Many consider Duceppe as the most effective leader available, despite his position as a "separatist,"

The PQ are expected to win the next election in Quebec.

Only an idiot wants a government in Ottawa that is beholden to the BQ while the PQ rule in Quebec.

Especially with someone as weak as Count Ignatieff in the PM's chair.

Ignatieff does not give a **** about Canada, and will sacrifice the nation in a millisecond on the altar of his own ego.

Mark my words.
 

#juan

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The PQ are expected to win the next election in Quebec.

Only an idiot wants a government in Ottawa that is beholden to the BQ while the PQ rule in Quebec.

Especially with someone as weak as Count Ignatieff in the PM's chair.

Ignatieff does not give a **** about Canada, and will sacrifice the nation in a millisecond on the altar of his own ego.

Mark my words.

Colpy you are letting your hatred for all things Liberal cloud your thinking. You don't know Ignatieff and you certainly don't know
that he would sacrifice his country . Ignatieff was a brilliant student but the jobs for a young PHD were limited in Canada
so he took a job at Harvard. This is seen by you Conservatives as a weakness even though he could just as easily have worked at
Oxford or Camdridge or a dozen other universities around the world. He speaks at least four languages........Too many for
the Tories to accept???
 

Colpy

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Colpy you are letting your hatred for all things Liberal cloud your thinking. You don't know Ignatieff and you certainly don't know
that he would sacrifice his country . Ignatieff was a brilliant student but the jobs for a young PHD were limited in Canada
so he took a job at Harvard. This is seen by you Conservatives as a weakness even though he could just as easily have worked at
Oxford or Camdridge or a dozen other universities around the world. He speaks at least four languages........Too many for
the Tories to accept???


I have no problem with him working at Harvard.....damn I love history, I was actually hopeful that he would turn out to be a good choice for the country.

Then I discovered that he is an internationalist, a "citizen of the world", a man without deep commitment to any country. When he was in GB, he voted there, that was his country, as much as anyplace could be, when he was in the USA, he was involved in US politics, and professed love for that country.....you get my drift.

Brilliant? I have no doubt. But anyone that thinks academic brilliance portends competence in any other areas has not met many professors. The most brilliant man I have ever met is a history professor, extremely accomplished in his field, although retired still in demand in Australia, Ireland and elsewhere for academic conferences. He is also continually pestered by students to oversee their graduate work.

The guy is a good friend.

He is also an absolute curmudgeon that lives alone in a shack in the woods with three cats, a dog, and a couple of rifles.

Normal? Hardly. Competent? Only in his sphere........

BTW, if he could get a job as a professor at Harvard, he could have worked in Canada......but that is NOT the problem. It is not the depth of his intellect, it is his type of intellect. We need a Canadian chauvinist, a true believer in our nation and our nationality, one that considers all things to the benefit of THIS nation.......

A one-world sophisticate just doesn't cut it.
 

mentalfloss

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Aside from your 'sovereignty' issues with the guy, is there anything other reason you think the platform is so bad?

And no, calling him a curmudgeon doesn't count.
 

s_lone

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The PQ isolates itself from ordinary Quebecers
Editorial from Montreal's Gazette

There's small comfort to be taken from the backtracking that delegates to the Parti Québécois convention did on a motion to have a PQ government revert to obligatory French-only commercial signs.

They did so in a second vote on the issue after the party leadership persuaded them that such a resolution would be strategically counterproductive to the PQ's fortunes in the next election campaign. This was only hours after an initial vote went the other way - a vote in which a majority of the most active people in the party let us know what they really think.

Read more: The PQ isolates itself from ordinary Quebecers
 

lone wolf

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The PQ are expected to win the next election in Quebec.

Only an idiot wants a government in Ottawa that is beholden to the BQ while the PQ rule in Quebec.

Especially with someone as weak as Count Ignatieff in the PM's chair.

Ignatieff does not give a **** about Canada, and will sacrifice the nation in a millisecond on the altar of his own ego.

Mark my words.
We hear the same predictions from every Harper ad....
 

Bar Sinister

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The PQ are expected to win the next election in Quebec.

Only an idiot wants a government in Ottawa that is beholden to the BQ while the PQ rule in Quebec.

Especially with someone as weak as Count Ignatieff in the PM's chair.

Ignatieff does not give a **** about Canada, and will sacrifice the nation in a millisecond on the altar of his own ego.

Mark my words.

Looks like we are in a real bind. It is either go with the party that wants to sell Canada to the USA ASAP or go with the one that is seen as the party that kisses Quebec's bum. There is some hope, however - you might note that the Liberals have never been particularly popular with the PQ. For all the nonsense about Trudeau and his successors being tied to Quebec it is interesting to note that no Liberal government has ever offered Quebec as much as Brian Mulroney offered it.