Here come the deficits

#juan

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In a recent topic, the finance minister was publically speculating on selling off federal assets to avoid having a deficit. This was after we were assured that there would be no deficit. One of the assets mentioned was the CN Tower. I don't think these ass-holes have a mandate to sell off federal assets.
 

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Just like I said, and I was mocked for it by the con defense league. The Tories will go into deficit and abandon their non intervention ideology.

So now that they have promised deficits do the cons here now flip from the flop to defend Tory actions or do they slink away like the hypocrites they are.

We shall see.
Jim looks like he is about to tell Harper to get lost. Harper is on control mode, we can see that in Jim's face..


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Risus

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In a recent topic, the finance minister was publically speculating on selling off federal assets to avoid having a deficit. This was after we were assured that there would be no deficit. One of the assets mentioned was the CN Tower. I don't think these ass-holes have a mandate to sell off federal assets.
Which would you rather have? A deficit or the CN Tower??? You libs will never be satisfied...
 

scratch

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Well Risus, sell the CN Tower, sell our half of Niagara Falls, reduce our ocean limit from 200 to 20 miles.....hell just give it all away.
 

#juan

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Which would you rather have? A deficit or the CN Tower??? You libs will never be satisfied...

Do you honestly think those are the only choices? How about the government spending only the money they have, not what they would like to have and having no deficits?
Did you even know that the first thirty billion dollars of tax revenue every year goes to pay the interest on Mulroney's debt. If Harper runs a deficit, he is adding to it.
 

Avro

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Which would you rather have? A deficit or the CN Tower??? You libs will never be satisfied...

I'd rather have common sense, sell the the CN tower in a poor real estate market?

No sense

What happens when you run out of things to sell?

The same yahoos that are in Ottawa now sold the 407 in Ontario for 3 billion it is now worth 18 billion and it's costs for use have gone up 500%...wise con business sense.:roll:

F U tax payers.

I thought cons with half a brain would show up but all they had was Risus.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Do you honestly think those are the only choices? How about the government spending only the money they have, not what they would like to have and having no deficits?

Juan, quite right, those aren’t the only choices.

Just like I said, and I was mocked for it by the con defense league. The Tories will go into deficit and abandon their non intervention ideology.
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/537847

Avro, was there ever any doubt? There is a long standing love affair between conservatives and budget deficit, whether it is Reagan, Bush in USA or Mulroney, Harper here in Canada.

Harper inherited 10 billion $ surplus. As soon as he came to power, he frittered away most of it by giving tax cuts, mostly to the rich. Now that there is an economic downturn, he will borrow like a drunken sailor; like there is no tomorrow and we will be in deep hole in no time.

Paul Martin made a very good point the other day. He did not accept the excuse that since there is an economic downturn; the government has no choice but to go into deficit.

His point was that the government should have anticipated the economic downturn. Harper should have been ready for the unexpected and shod have kept a healthy surplus for just such times.

Liberals encountered many crises like this, there was 9/11, the dot com meltdown, 2001-2002 recession etc. But Liberals did not go into deficit, they kept running surplus, because there were ready for the unexpected. That is sound economic management.

Harper basically followed Bush (whom he holds in awe), if only partly. As soon as Bush came to power one of this first acts was to give huge tax cuts to the rich and run a huge deficit. Harper gave tax cuts to the rich, but he did not run a deficit. However, he did fritter away all the surplus, leaving absolutely no room for unforeseen downturns.

If Harper now runs a huge deficit, Canada will be paying for another generation for the misdeeds of the conservatives.
 

Trex

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Here come the deficits


Could be, but really so what.

Forecasts are for a balanced budget this year and if they economy really tanks worldwide a small Canadian deficit next year.
And that's probably how it should be.
If the economy sucks that bad the government probably should prime the pump a tad.

To rant about the Government of the day having to post a small structural deficit when the worldwide banking system is tanking doesn't really make much sense.
Its not like any politician Lib or Con could have predicted this greed inspired American spawned meltdown.

Chances are that Iggy is going to get the nod for the Lib's.
And that dude is about as right wing and Americanized as they come while still sitting as a Lib.
Does anyone really think he would do things much differently than Harper given a fiscal problem?
I think Iggy and Harper are actually pretty close on their respective worldview and philosophy.
Harpo's probably more of a social conservative but fiscally I figure peas in a pod.

Now Bob Rae is a whole nuther can of worms entirely.
Slight deficits don't begin to cover what Bob is capable of.

But hopefully that issue will never occur.

Trex
 

SirJosephPorter

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What happens when you run out of things to sell?

Avro, that is exactly what happened here in Ontario. Mike Harris kept on selling and selling government assets, he sold (or rather, gifted) the highway 407 to his buddies (Ontarians are still cursing him for it).

Eventually he ran out of things to sell and ended up running a huge deficit (about which the Tories lied just before the campaign, they claimed the deficit was 2 billion $, when McGuinty opened up the books, it turned out to be 6 billion $).
 

Avro

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Here come the deficits


Could be, but really so what.

Forecasts are for a balanced budget this year and if they economy really tanks worldwide a small Canadian deficit next year.
And that's probably how it should be.
If the economy sucks that bad the government probably should prime the pump a tad.

To rant about the Government of the day having to post a small structural deficit when the worldwide banking system is tanking doesn't really make much sense.
Its not like any politician Lib or Con could have predicted this greed inspired American spawned meltdown.

Chances are that Iggy is going to get the nod for the Lib's.
And that dude is about as right wing and Americanized as they come while still sitting as a Lib.
Does anyone really think he would do things much differently than Harper given a fiscal problem?
I think Iggy and Harper are actually pretty close on their respective worldview and philosophy.
Harpo's probably more of a social conservative but fiscally I figure peas in a pod.

Now Bob Rae is a whole nuther can of worms entirely.
Slight deficits don't begin to cover what Bob is capable of.

But hopefully that issue will never occur.

Trex

Or how about the Mulrony years or the current Bush years?

The Libs fixed the mess under Cretien and Martin, where is the con praise for that?

All depends on who's idealogical flag you fly.

Sure Bob Rae ran deficits but he also pumped billions into infrastructure to create jobs, the very thing cons are about to do.....are they just as bad as Bob?

Answer while I laugh in your face.

I love how this all has turned only to watch cons fumble and stumble over their own hypocrisy.:lol:
 

Scott Free

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This is an outrage! A countries finances are not like an individuals. The government must spend to stave off recession. The government becoming stingy guarantees a depression. Harper would like to sell off our assets because he is a neocon not for any good reason. If a government goes into debt it needs only to grow its GDP to get out. Even a huge deficit is very manageable so long as the economy grows. The only way out of a financial crisis is to create jobs and that requires some government spending. Harper is a criminal and obviously intends to sodomize Canada as long as he can. Canada for sale: cheap.
 
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scratch

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Well SF,

We can only thank the insensitivity of Harpo & Co. towards Canada's people.
 

Scott Free

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Well SF,

We can only thank the insensitivity of Harpo & Co. towards Canada's people.

I heard him today on the radio talking about how he had a mandate from the Canadian people! He didn't win anywhere near enough popularity to "have a mandate." Anyone in his position that would claim such a thing obviously has a secret agenda. I should think selling off bits of Canada to his friends is just a small part of it.
 

Colpy

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This is an outrage! A countries finances are not like an individuals. The government must spend to stave off recession. The government becoming stingy guarantees a depression. Harper would like to sell off our assets because he is a neocon not for any good reason. If a government goes into debt it needs only to grow its GDP to get out. Even a huge deficit is very manageable so long as the economy grows. The only way out of a financial crisis is to create jobs and that requires some government spending. Harper is a criminal and obviously intends to sodomize Canada as long as he can. Canada for sale: cheap.

I agree partially.....

My question is: Why is the gov't into real estate in the first place? Outside of the necessary gov't buildings........of which the CN Tower is not one.......it is beyond the scope of their accepted role in society........and is an invitation to corruption and cronyism.

I don't like deficit.....nor does the Harper gov't. But once you are in recession and have cut the idiot wastes of money (such as Arts programs), expendature is necessary to create jobs and provide a safety net for the people......advantage can be gained by using these expenditures to rebuild and improve infrastructure.

Things change. Sometimes policies have to follow events. We elect a gov't, not a platform.

If you want to see a disaster in the making, take a look at RB Bennett, who refused to spend to help the people during the dirty thirties........and came close to fermenting a perfectly justifiable rebellion.

BTW, I can't stand Mulroney.......but he left the Liberals two things that were invaluable in defeating the deficit.........NAFTA and the GST. It ain't hard to get out of debt when your revenues are sky-rocketing, thanks to your predessesor.
 

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We're an export economy...where is the money going to be spent to address that other countries aren't buying our resources in this global recession?

Maybe spend some money on infrastructure. That's about it. Anything else is tossing dollars down the toilet.

ETA: I see Colpy agrees. Putting money into those failing automakers is a losing gamble...unless you add some strings to that purse.