Your right John.
And Humor, without the good is just plain humor. But Good humor is enlightening.
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Your right John.
And Humor, without the good is just plain humor. But Good humor is enlightening.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Look:
How do you know what Jesus (whatever that is) intended?
Are you more right than John Calvin?
Are you more right than Martin Luther?
Are you more right than Íñigo Lopez, Ignatius of Loyola?
Wow, you must be smart!
See, theology is never consistent within itself, every once in a while someone comes along and reinterprets everything, throwing all the old stuff out.
Not a trustworthy way of going about things.
Pangloss
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Loyola
How do you know what Jesus (whatever that is) intended?
Are you more right than John Calvin?
Are you more right than Martin Luther?
Are you more right than Íñigo Lopez, Ignatius of Loyola?
Wow, you must be smart!
See, theology is never consistent within itself, every once in a while someone comes along and reinterprets everything, throwing all the old stuff out.
Not a trustworthy way of going about things.
Pangloss
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Loyola
Well John, Jesus demonstrated what He intended and all we have to do is but look at Him and believe in what He said.
It is not what we think He intended, but what He intended for us to believe.
Of course, that is debatable under all circumstances human.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
You're missing my point, Look - every theological radical has said exactly what you are saying. Not all of you can be right. To any careful observer, the only reasonable conclusion we can draw is that you are all wrong.
Pangloss
Sorry, I thought I was still addressing John. My mistake, I apologize.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Fair enough.
I do strongly believe in what I am saying, and am more tolerant than all put together. I finally saw what I believe to be the truth, but sad to say, even my religious friend, don't believe me.
So, I stand alone,.................But sure.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Now this is odd - we have found common ground.
Every person lives with their own sense of right and wrong, true and false.
We cannot live for very long in disagreement with what we think is right, fair and true. If I do something that contradicts my values, I must either change my values (very difficult), atone for my behaviour (uncomfortable, and perhaps costly, but possible) or find a way to justify it (the easiest, and laziest route).
Why do we have this very personal outlook? Because our lives are nothing if not a series of personal experiences and personal thoughts.
What you see as the truth is all you can know. For some, that might be total submission to the will of the Pope (the Jesuits, for example), or it might be total reformation of the Church and its corrupt ways (Luther) or a idiosyncratic, personal interpretation of the bible (you, in this case).
For you to bend your knee to the truth of another while you remain unconvinced of their validity, would be to betray yourself.
Pangloss
I have changed my outlook on the values that I was raised with. What I could not accept because of the way I was thought, I now accept.
Take for instance, the verse that says: I am the way the truth and the life, no man can come to the Father except by me”.
To all Christian, rather I should say to most Christians, that verse means that anyone not believing what it says is destined to hell.
And that has been my personal query as to why is it so when Christ died for all?
Now I understand and am happy to say, that with all joy, I rejoice when someone comes to Christ, but sadness when they don’t. Not because they are condemned to hell, but because life could be so much more meaningful.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Now this is odd - we have found common ground.>>> Pangloss
Not odd to me, but gladness. For now I can see you in a different light. Not so dark anymore.
If I could win your heart for God, despite all the bad publicity God gets from His own followers, then you’d be a rich man.
For there in your souls heart is where life really is.
Everybody that is alive today has life for existence, but not everybody has life for living in the spiritual.
That has to be born in us while we are already born.
Sounds like a contradiction, I know, but life begins at the second birth.
To understand that, I would have to take you through the plan of God pertaining to creation, and as published by the human hand and inspired by God Himself.
But that’s another thread.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Not odd to me, but gladness. For now I can see you in a different light. Not so dark anymore.
If I could win your heart for God, despite all the bad publicity God gets from His own followers, then you’d be a rich man.
For there in your souls heart is where life really is.
Everybody that is alive today has life for existence, but not everybody has life for living in the spiritual.
That has to be born in us while we are already born.
Sounds like a contradiction, I know, but life begins at the second birth.
To understand that, I would have to take you through the plan of God pertaining to creation, and as published by the human hand and inspired by God Himself.
But that’s another thread.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
The difference is, I can get to the same ethical place without the crutch of an imaginary supernatural being, standing on my own feet, not on my knees in submission to something that does not exist.
Pangloss
Pangloss
AJ,
This is John. Do you read me? over.
"John,
First, mixing the physical with the spiritual is like mixing water and oil.
The wars tribunal is mankind’s ways and government."
I was make-a the joke,huh? Ridiculing Hellfire as obviously an offence against the teachings of the God of Justice. Hell doctrine makes its supporters to be opponents of God.
John .
(me)
This is John. Do you read me? over.
"John,
First, mixing the physical with the spiritual is like mixing water and oil.
The wars tribunal is mankind’s ways and government."
I was make-a the joke,huh? Ridiculing Hellfire as obviously an offence against the teachings of the God of Justice. Hell doctrine makes its supporters to be opponents of God.
John .
(me)
Hey John, sorry for the mix up.
And I have a very serious intent when I speak on spiritual matters that I miss some jokes.
So, do I get some leniency?
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Yes, but he confessed that he was amused at others responding to my posts.
But that's OK, that's his choice. I have no problem with that.
I get enough folks who do respond of which I am grateful to.
After all, I am just as important as they think they are themselves that they should ignore someone.
I have plenty of love to consume anything hurtful thoughts in words.
Thanks for your audience, Gilbert!
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