I'm going to the boat show in Victoria tomorrow, staying for a treat in hotel overnight, going to
have a hell of a good time.
Night:smile:
have a hell of a good time.
Night:smile:
Hell
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Well.....................................my friends, I see you'all and no different than I am. Hows that?
You all have a heart and it shows.
To that I rejoice. :cheers:
The heart shows when all the blinders come off, and exposes the true inner self.
Have a good day!
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
You all have a heart and it shows.
To that I rejoice. :cheers:
The heart shows when all the blinders come off, and exposes the true inner self.
Have a good day!
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Jesus walked and talked and He didn't have a heart that pumped blood. For He was in His glorified body.
For the life of the flesh is the blood, and the life of the spirit is spirit.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
i find that a little hard to believe AJ. Jesus was almost certainly a person. Maybe a special one but without a heart??
I also don't believe he walked on water, although apparently custard can solidify upon the application of a shear (the opposite of thixotropic) so maybe he walked on custard
I also don't believe he walked on water, although apparently custard can solidify upon the application of a shear (the opposite of thixotropic) so maybe he walked on custard
A strong, powerful, and war-like Samurai approached a Zen Master.
"Tell me all you know about Hell" he demanded in a gruff voice.
"No"
His temper flared, he became hot, angry and bloodthirsty.
"How dare you refuse me?!!! I should kill you now!!"
"That is Hell."
"Tell me all you know about Hell" he demanded in a gruff voice.
"No"
His temper flared, he became hot, angry and bloodthirsty.
"How dare you refuse me?!!! I should kill you now!!"
"That is Hell."
The heart of Jesus was the inner man of the heart, not the one that pumps blood.
The blood is the life of the flesh and cannot go through walls, while the spirit can.
Jesus walked on water meaning He was above the flesh. Waters is representative of people. The ocean is representative of the peoples of the world, and Jesus was baptized, submerged into the the ocean of people talking away their sins.
In order for Jesus to qualify as a ransom for the world, He had to live up to the bar set by God Himself. That bar could no man meet except for God.
Thus, He walked on water.Peter could for a moment as long as He kept his eye on Jesus, but then he begin to sink because he lost site of Jesus .
Similarly, we also can walk on water (figuratively) if we do it in Jesus. Otherwise, we are on our own strength.
Jesus tasted death and hell for all of us. He ran the risk of losing His soul for the love of mankind.
But the Father promised Him that He would not leave His soul in hell, but would raise Him up the third day.
In so doing, every soul held prisoner because of the separation, are now made whole in Jesus and are with Him in heaven.
To understand what I said one has to have a good view of what the whole plan of God is as given in the bible.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Does anyone else notice that Westmanguy seems to post these threads that pisses people off, makes some more rude or insane comments, then just leaves the thread?
Where is he now...off to start more crap?
Oh...and by the way Westmanguy (not that you're paying attention anymore), why is it you need to terrify people with the threat of eternal damnation to get them to convert and accept Jesus into their heart? Can't do it through the beauty of the faith?:roll:
Where is he now...off to start more crap?
Oh...and by the way Westmanguy (not that you're paying attention anymore), why is it you need to terrify people with the threat of eternal damnation to get them to convert and accept Jesus into their heart? Can't do it through the beauty of the faith?:roll:
Hell is a sense suffering without a purpose.
Take for example a solider fighting in a war. His suffering the elements, dodging the bullets, eating cold food all are made bearable knowing that the purpose for his suffering is to make better the lives of his people back home, or to make life better for someone in need.
That might not be the best example but at the moment, that's what came to mind.
Hell can also be a spiritual experience. Say for instance that a son you loved very much
had told you that you were a rotten dad, and promised never to speak to you again.
Not only would you be vexed in spirit, but sooner or later he will to.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Take for example a solider fighting in a war. His suffering the elements, dodging the bullets, eating cold food all are made bearable knowing that the purpose for his suffering is to make better the lives of his people back home, or to make life better for someone in need.
That might not be the best example but at the moment, that's what came to mind.
Hell can also be a spiritual experience. Say for instance that a son you loved very much
had told you that you were a rotten dad, and promised never to speak to you again.
Not only would you be vexed in spirit, but sooner or later he will to.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Hi, Josephine, welcome to the fray. I mean discussion. West is like all of us. We all are in at a degree of understanding, which sometimes creates conflicts with those who are not to sure of their beliefs.
If I am not moved to anger over what he says, is because I understand what he is going through.
Being mature in the faith is to have understanding above what is termed mankind's religion and focusing on how God sees things, then we will be moved with compassion for their lack of understanding.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
If Jesus conspired with Satan to set up the torture prison, with blow-torches , cigarettes and electric prods, should they be summonsed to the International War Crimes Tribunal? Is that why US won't join it?
John
John
Oh, my goodness, what a pile of crap the pious push upon us.
Hell makes no sense. How could an infinitely merciful and just god mete out an eternal punishment for a "sin" of limited impact?
Proportionality is one of the foundation stones for any concept of justice.
Hell - it's sulferrrrrific! Now with 50% more "ohgodohgodohgodimsorryimsorry!"
Silly stuff.
Makes for good comic book bad guys, though.
Pangloss
Hell makes no sense. How could an infinitely merciful and just god mete out an eternal punishment for a "sin" of limited impact?
Proportionality is one of the foundation stones for any concept of justice.
Hell - it's sulferrrrrific! Now with 50% more "ohgodohgodohgodimsorryimsorry!"
Silly stuff.
Makes for good comic book bad guys, though.
Pangloss
John,
First, mixing the physical with the spiritual is like mixing water and oil.
The wars tribunal is mankind’s ways and government.
Let’s explore this “mankind’s ways” to see where we can find Satan in.
Us having the God given ability to exercise good or evil is where Satan is found.
In the good side, God is found and that is defined as spiritual, at least by me anyways.
The evil side is what mankind is capable of doing if not checked by the good side, which includes instructions on how not to be evil minded.
Just to give you an example of how evil a mind can be, look at the horror movies of today verses the ones say 40 years ago.
Back 40 years ago a horror movie was more a laugh than reality. But today, they can scare the hell out of you.
Why are today horror movies more Satanic, more real? That is because the mind has created them and with the help of all the movie effects, make Satan to be a real person, when all it is, is the evil mind going off into the deep end of evil thought.
This world’s lusts are what Satan is. Jesus conquered them all for us! Why, because only God Himself could do it.
Does that help?
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Actually, look - I find today's horror movies not nearly as scary. The original "Haunting of Hill House"? Now that was scary!
"Come back Elanor...come hoooooome."
Chilly stuff.
Pangloss
"Come back Elanor...come hoooooome."
Chilly stuff.
Pangloss
Hell my friend is separation. This means that the one we love the most we distant ourselves from because of our behavior.
Let’s look at a simple example: a teenager is given instructions by his father that he should be home by 10pm. The son stays out to 12 pm.
Disobedience: Yes! The son must now face the consequences for his own actions of disobedience. He knows is and thus avoids meeting with his father.
This then is separation and hell to pay.
God, being a loving Father provides us all with a moral code of conduct that He knows will keep us out of hell’s grips.
Being human, we have to experience hell before we learn how to behavior properly, that is if we learn the first time. But if not, it will be repeated until we learn. Meantime, we suffer trying.
We punish ourselves because we distant ourselves from His blessings. Not God punishing us.
Jesus is God providing a way back in that He conquered Satan (Worldly lusts for us) giving us a body by which we can abide in to gain access back to the Father.
That is why He say: “I am the way and the truth”!
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Well, perhaps you have no fear as many Christians have of Satan.
I for one can't stand them because I know it is but man's imagination and not worth the time spent in watching them.
But rather give me a good movie where my heart is moved because of human suffering, and I will watch them, because that is more a reality.
Suffering is a condition that we all can not escape, but we can help each other bare it.
I love American idol because it shows heart. The heart of the matter is that sincerity, honesty and real appreciation demonstrated by it's contestants as thanks for their being there is praise worthy.
But John, give yourself some time, mull everything over in you heart and soul, and see if something good can be generated there and demonstrated on the surface.
The heart, I mean the heart of your soul, is where life begins. Truly, there is where it can be lived, despite the hell that we are in.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Gee, once you guys said hell was fire and brimstone. . .then it was eternal torture. . .then it was a really cold place. . .now it's separation from the fairy tale guy.
First indulgences could be bought and then they couldn't. . .
First there was a limbo for unbaptized babies and pre-christ heathens. . .now there's not.
Man, christian theology is a slippery thing, ain't it?
Pangloss
First indulgences could be bought and then they couldn't. . .
First there was a limbo for unbaptized babies and pre-christ heathens. . .now there's not.
Man, christian theology is a slippery thing, ain't it?
Pangloss
Are you sure that, West?
If you read the Bible at all you would know that the millennial Kingdom is on earth. Not in Heaven as you continually write.
After the Judgment Day, God will rule the earth from His Divine Throne in Jerusalem -- Revelations Chapter 21. His Throne and the walls will be made of precious stones and the streets will be lined with fruited trees as per Ch 22.
In Isaiah 11:6-9 we are told that animals will be tame and that they will eat vegetation. Infants shall live to be 100 years of age per Isaiah 65:20 rather than 70 years of age as is the norm at this point. People will build and live in houses and also eat vegetation. But the Elect appear to live longer, perhaps forever. See passim. Ezekiel 37:25 et seq suggests that in that Kingdom, people will marry and have children and live in Peace. But you have to wonder, if they have succeeding generations, how can they be angels living in Heaven?
It is obvious that people will still be mortal human beings and that they will ultimately face mortality. This is all contrary to Christian teaching but that's what's in the Bible. After all, Abraham and his seed were promised Israel, not Heaven.
Actually, Look, the cool thing about horror stories is they have to, in order to scare anyone, reflect by way of metaphor or allegory, something that there is a widespread fear of.
For example, after the bombs were dropped on Japan, there were a great many mutation/monster movies made - and radiation was always the culprit.
Ira Levin's "The Stepford Wives" was an allegory of consumerism, and men's refusal to see their wives, and women in general, as anything more than possessions. A scary, efficient, funny horror story.
To write good horror, you have to understand your audience very well, respect their intelligence (stupid horror never works) and identify with them.
Perhaps it is telling that the theists can't seem to write good horror. Wonder why?
Pangloss
For example, after the bombs were dropped on Japan, there were a great many mutation/monster movies made - and radiation was always the culprit.
Ira Levin's "The Stepford Wives" was an allegory of consumerism, and men's refusal to see their wives, and women in general, as anything more than possessions. A scary, efficient, funny horror story.
To write good horror, you have to understand your audience very well, respect their intelligence (stupid horror never works) and identify with them.
Perhaps it is telling that the theists can't seem to write good horror. Wonder why?
Pangloss
There you have it John, the interpretations galore.
No wonder there are unbelievers!
But it is all beginning to change now as knowledge is increasing in the spiritual arena.
Hell and brimstone was to keep the shallow believers in line and to scare the hell out of folks who knew no better.
Jesus never intended it to be that way.
Peace>>>AJ:love9: