Harper’s speech was a chance to be accountable. He blew it -

skookumchuck

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If we don't clean house now, we deserve everything we get. Over the years I have voted at one time or another for every party depending upon what works best for me at the time. I have never in all of my life been this mad or this disgusted with my government.

If Harper thinks he can walk from this, we'd best let him know he is wrong. Soon, very soon the phone will ring and it will be the Conservative party doing their poll, and asking if they can count on my support, it's going to be a super interesting conversation. I bet Layton is up there drinking champagne and laughing. Cheers to him.

Do i assume then that you voted conservative? I didn't. Guess what, BC NDP thought the same as you a while back and every socialist in Canada claims this is it after every glitch. Odd thing is that the Cons got more votes than anyone else while Quebec was as usual whining to itself, it will happen again.
What do you think Jack would have done with Quebec and the Oil sands? Same as Mulchinhair? You bet, and the same results, zilch. Layton would not be toasting but crying over his stupid mistake of thinking Quebec cared about him or his party.
 

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Do i assume then that you voted conservative? I didn't. Guess what, BC NDP thought the same as you a while back and every socialist in Canada claims this is it after every glitch. Odd thing is that the Cons got more votes than anyone else while Quebec was as usual whining to itself, it will happen again.
What do you think Jack would have done with Quebec and the Oil sands? Same as Mulchinhair? You bet, and the same results, zilch. Layton would not be toasting but crying over his stupid mistake of thinking Quebec cared about him or his party.
it doesn't matter who we voted for right now, they are all the same, time to stop wringing our hands and saying we can't do anything, we have to
 

skookumchuck

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Have you taken note of many Conservatives disgust over this. Recall Harper's Mantra- Transparency, accountability and honest Govt.
Read the reports from MP's who while home for the long weekend were on the BBQ Grill over this. They were the meal.

Harper deserves an *** kicking for several reasons, his parties management of Canada in a damn tough time is not one of them. Do you not know that a large number of dissatisfied MP's means the end of a leader? Wait and see what the numbers say and who wins.
Full reports? Where and from whom? How do you guess who is honest? Tell us please.
 

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Harper deserves an *** kicking for several reasons, his parties management of Canada in a damn tough time is not one of them. Do you not know that a large number of dissatisfied MP's means the end of a leader? Wait and see what the numbers say and who wins.
Full reports? Where and from whom? How do you guess who is honest? Tell us please.

News reports from MP`s - Check the news.
 

skookumchuck

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News reports from MP`s - Check the news.

I read the news, nothing about numerous MP's threatening to desert Harper. There are, as usual, always an upset group in any group. Harper's upset group are mostly bible thumpers. Check out freedominion, they are principled conservatives, some good people but some nutcases also.
 

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I read the news, nothing about numerous MP's threatening to desert Harper. There are, as usual, always an upset group in any group. Harper's upset group are mostly bible thumpers. Check out freedominion, they are principled conservatives, some good people but some nutcases also.
I did not state they were deserting Harper- I stated they were grilled. Many Conservatives are livid about this.
 

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This thing is a long way from over, The more I see the more I am starting to think
Harper knew a lot more than he let on or he really is a bumpkin from the west. I
say that because he claimed at one time to have seen their expenses and saw
nothing wrong. His chief of staff tried to buy the parties way out of the mess they
are in. Harper appointed Duffy and Martin and their behavior reflects directly on
his decision making skills.
Don't kid yourself, the opposition and the media smell blood in the water and they
are going after the implications of the ninety thousand dollars and how it was paid.
Was it legal?
Should this continue and any investigation turns up so much as on incriminating
grain of fact. It could have implications for the PM if not the Government. Majority
means nothing if the public turns on you. Harper said only what he had to say to
not make any more waves. In my view in the circumstance he finds himself in I
wouldn't say anymore either. If he were to come clean and admit anything that he
did or did not know would touch off a firestorm and who needs that?
At least Harper does not behave like that loser Ford.
 

Goober

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Harper has a majority in both houses- Why did he not push for accountability. Harper would be well aware of the waste, corruption and flouting of budgets allocated for expenses incurred by MP`s and Senators in the performance of their respective duties.

And what did he do. SFA.
 

Durry

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Harper did a great job in his speech.

He said they only thing he could have said, had he been more specific, the eastern media would have claimed that he was not telling the truth.
Harper played his cards correctly !! Fk the eastern media !!
 

gerryh

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Some are yes, and some say the same about us.;-)


Not some, most. I was banned because I pointed out that hypocrisy. While they cry and moan about abortion, they drool and cheer over the death penalty and war.

"I'm pro-life, unless it's a fu ckin rag head... then kill em all."
 

lone wolf

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If they'd quit tearing down what the guy before built just to make bigger monuments to themselves we might have a clue which direction to steer the Good Ship Lollipop. Sucks to be rudderless with a hotshot cap'n....
 

Nuggler

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:lol:.............ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh, I'm not happy !! Oooooooooooooooooooooyouguys. !! I'd liketahitchasoHARD !!!

Well, off to Peru --- c ya

.:roll:
 

Goober

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Harper did a great job in his speech.

He said they only thing he could have said, had he been more specific, the eastern media would have claimed that he was not telling the truth.
Harper played his cards correctly !! Fk the eastern media !!

Many in the Eastern Media that are slamming Harper are Conservatives. How do you rate them - Perhaps misguided?
Perhaps they have ethics? Perhaps they average Conservative east and west of Manitoba are not real Conservatives as they refuse to drink the Kook Aid.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...n-tandt-harper-leaves-loyalists-in-the-lurch/

Has anyone seen a copy of the cheque? No. Does anyone, other than perhaps Wright and Duffy know what the latter was expected to offer or do in exchange for his extraordinary windfall? Did Harper himself approve of the transaction, if not in its specifics, then generally?

In the House of Commons yesterday, Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird, temporarily reverting to his former role as partisan fire extinguisher, said no, Harper knew nothing about the deal until, like other appalled Conservatives, he saw it on the evening news.

Strangely, Harper himself did not say that in his speech to his caucus, at least the portion of it that was public. Nor did Nigel Wright on Sunday, in his resignation letter. Nor did the PMO last week. In his remarks Harper ignored the payment entirely. In the other two cases the language was ever so carefully crafted to allow for some knowledge on his part, though not of “the means” or “the details.”

Why the discrepancy? Those cursed with skeptical minds might wonder if the deviation was deliberate, designed to give Harper a wee bit of wiggle room, in the event evidence eventually emerges he did know and approve, if only in general terms. Otherwise, why would he not rule that out himself?

“Nigel Wright is a man of honour,” Conservatives Tweeted through the weekend, upper lips suitably stiffened, as though saluting Harper’s departed chief of staff somehow adds a veneer of uprightness to an otherwise tawdry situation. But no one has questioned Wright’s honour. The unknown now, and it is waxing not waning, is whether the PM himself understands the meaning of the term. For if he did, would he not have apologized, or at least shouldered some responsibility, for the mistakes made on his watch, and for which every Conservative MP in the House of Commons is now paying a price?

It was Harper who elevated senators Patrick Brazeau, Pamela Wallin and Mike Duffy. It was Harper who stood in the House of Commons to defend Wallin’s travel expenses, to the tune of $321,000 in less than three years. And it was Harper’s most senior aide, his right arm, who made the payment to Duffy. At best, the PM has shown poor judgment in his choice of appointees, and shoddy management of his office. At worst he approved of a backroom payoff that gives the lie to everything he claims to represent. Yet the best he can muster is warmed-over rhetoric about the sponsorship scandal?

There was much private Conservative chortling, during the 2005 Christmas campaign, about former prime minister Paul Martin’s tactical ineptness, in particular his establishing the Gomery inquiry into that scandal, which set the stage for his later defeat. But through that time no one, that I know of, ever questioned Martin’s moral courage in doing what he did. Following his speech Tuesday, Stephen Harper can’t say the same.

For someone who won power on an explicitly moral platform, that is shocking. More shocking still is that the Conservative leadership, even now, seems unaware this is so. How they extricate themselves, or if they can, is anybody’s guess.
 

L Gilbert

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Whatever happens to Harpy or whatever party gets to be gov't won't be any indication that the shenanigans that are carried out in Ottawa will stop. It won't stop because MPs firstly think they are bulletproof and secondly, if they find out they aren't bulletproof and are called to account for their shenanigans, it doesn't matter much because either nothing will happen except a little bad press, or else they'll be ushered out where they will end up with some cushy job as a lobbyist, a diplomat, or some relatively high brass in some company (and probably with their MP pension intact). Politicians have seen to it that they will ultimately survive almost anything with hardly a feather ruffled; they built government.