Harper softens support for Israel, responding to polls?

[shannon]

Re: RE: Harper softens support for Israel, responding to pol

Hezbollah is in the population and it is not clear who they are. That is why they are such a formidable enemy. With the minimal intelligence available how do you know they were expressing support?

Oh, it is quite clear who they are ... a terrorist organization, as we have officially stated in 2002.

How do we know folks are expressing suport for this terrorist organization? Just yesterday here, the Lebanese community had a protest march. Most of the demonstrators were carrying Lebanese flags. I didn't see too many Canadian flags, so we all know where the affiliation of many of these "Canadian Citizens" lies. Anyhow, some of the protestors actually had the gall and nerve to carry flags of a terrorist organization, Hezbollah. I noticed police officers were confiscating these flags. These individuals should have been arrested as they were clearly promoting and supporting terrorism.

For many of us, particularly those of us here who have family in New York, the events of 9/11 will not be soon forgotten. This, coupled with the ongoing global war against terror, it amazes me that terrorists can come into our cities and wave terrorist flags (supporting and promoting terrorism) and not get arrested. What gives?

 

[sanch]

Re: RE: Harper softens support for Israel, responding to pol

Hezbollah is in the population and it is not clear who they are. That is why they are such a formidable enemy. With the minimal intelligence available how do you know they were expressing support?

You misunderstood. In the CBC news clip where the relatives of those Canadians that were killed in Lebanon (a horrible thing, most of them children) the aunt in Montreal cried out her support for Hezbollah, ending with "Hezbollah is outr protector".

Well, they're doing a damn poor job.

Now, I would be willing to overlook that outburst as the ravings of one overwhelmed with rage and grief. However, I suspect support for Hezbollah, Hamas. and other banned groups runs fairly deep in the Islamic community, and I would chuck anyone supporting these people out of the country SOOOO fast.

So these people as Canadians have no rights. You suspect and you suspect based on some woman's comments. Yet anyone questioning your motives as a real Canadian is out of line. You are on record here as being a supporter of right wing extremism and by your rules you should be held accountable for any of their violent acts. We could start with Oklahoma City.

 

[sanch]

Re: RE: Harper softens support for Israel, responding to pol

Hezbollah is in the population and it is not clear who they are. That is why they are such a formidable enemy. With the minimal intelligence available how do you know they were expressing support?

Oh, it is quite clear who they are ... a terrorist organization, as we have officially stated in 2002.

How do we know folks are expressing suport for this terrorist organization? Just yesterday here, the Lebanese community had a protest march. Most of the demonstrators were carrying Lebanese flags. I didn't see too many Canadian flags, so we all know where the affiliation of many of these "Canadian Citizens" lies. Anyhow, some of the protestors actually had the gall and nerve to carry flags of a terrorist organization, Hezbollah. I noticed police officers were confiscating these flags. These individuals should have been arrested as they were clearly promoting and supporting terrorism.

For many of us, particularly those of us here who have family in New York, the events of 9/11 will not be soon forgotten. This, coupled with the ongoing global war against terror, it amazes me that terrorists can come into our cities and wave terrorist flags (supporting and promoting terrorism) and not get arrested. What gives?

I agree they should be questioned. My point is that given your statements in publically advocating death for some Canadians you don't like they should question you as well.

 

[sanch]

Re: RE: Harper softens support for Israel, responding to pol

Oh, I understand that Hezbollah runs a massive good worlks program in Lebanon. It is how they bought their way into the affections, and the communities of the people there, who are now paying the price for accepting alms from vipers.

This is not true. Maybe you should start looking at sources other than right wing columnists.

The Saudis are Sunnis who hate the Shites living in south Lebanon. The Saudis and other Sunnis financed the last round of development and their allies including Christians control major utilities and businesses in Lebanon. The south is impoverished but needs to pay the prices set by the more developed center and north. The only source of any income or way to pay utilities and for food for many is with Hezbollah’s help.

The obvious solution would be to remove the Saudis from the developmental cycle. They have offered a billion dollars again and I suppose the additional money will come from the Gulf States also Sunnis. The Iranians are also flush with oil money and so can easily fund the southern Lebanese again. So there are a number of proxy wars going on and Israel and the southern Lebanese even though they are doing the fighting are the victims.

There should be a developmental plan for southern Lebanon which would limit the ability of Iran and Syria to operate there. Without some sustainable economic base in south Lebanon it will always be a threat to Israel.

Of course it is not in the Arab world’s interest to not have all these impoverished people living around Israel. They need these people to divert attention from their own problems. Of course the western governments support the Arab world as they manipulate the scenario to both protect their interests and to attack Israel.

 

[shannon]

Re: RE: Harper softens support for Israel, responding to pol

Hezbollah is in the population and it is not clear who they are. That is why they are such a formidable enemy. With the minimal intelligence available how do you know they were expressing support?

Oh, it is quite clear who they are ... a terrorist organization, as we have officially stated in 2002.

How do we know folks are expressing suport for this terrorist organization? Just yesterday here, the Lebanese community had a protest march. Most of the demonstrators were carrying Lebanese flags. I didn't see too many Canadian flags, so we all know where the affiliation of many of these "Canadian Citizens" lies. Anyhow, some of the protestors actually had the gall and nerve to carry flags of a terrorist organization, Hezbollah. I noticed police officers were confiscating these flags. These individuals should have been arrested as they were clearly promoting and supporting terrorism.

For many of us, particularly those of us here who have family in New York, the events of 9/11 will not be soon forgotten. This, coupled with the ongoing global war against terror, it amazes me that terrorists can come into our cities and wave terrorist flags (supporting and promoting terrorism) and not get arrested. What gives?

I agree they should be questioned. My point is that given your statements in publically advocating death for some Canadians you don't like they should question you as well.

Already drinking so early in the day?

Where have I advocated death against my fellow citizens? I've done nothing of the kind.

It looks like you need to lay off the booze.

 

[fuzzylogix]

Re: RE: Harper softens support for Israel, responding to pol

Oh, it is quite clear who they are ... a terrorist organization, as we have officially stated in 2002.

How do we know folks are expressing suport for this terrorist organization? Just yesterday here, the Lebanese community had a protest march. Most of the demonstrators were carrying Lebanese flags. I didn't see too many Canadian flags, so we all know where the affiliation of many of these "Canadian Citizens" lies. Anyhow, some of the protestors actually had the gall and nerve to carry flags of a terrorist organization, Hezbollah. I noticed police officers were confiscating these flags. These individuals should have been arrested as they were clearly promoting and supporting terrorism.

For many of us, particularly those of us here who have family in New York, the events of 9/11 will not be soon forgotten. This, coupled with the ongoing global war against terror, it amazes me that terrorists can come into our cities and wave terrorist flags (supporting and promoting terrorism) and not get arrested. What gives?

You should be arrested for promoting and supporting hatred against a particular cultural group. The fact that a Lebanese Canadian has a desire to protect the country of his/her origin does not make them any less Canadian than anyone else. They indeed have the right to protect their families still in Lebanon, as you apparently want to protect your family still in NY. Does the fact that many Jewish Americans in want to protect their homeland of Israel make them any less American? NO, of course not.

What gives is that violent actions of any nation or group of people can be construed as terrorism in that it strikes terror into the heart of other people. Israel's actions which are beyond a measured response therefore show that it is acting as a terrorist nation too. Perhaps its flags should be banned from pro Israel demonstrations.

 

[FiveParadox]

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For many of us, particularly those of us here who have family in New York, the events of 9/11 will not be soon forgotten. This, coupled with the ongoing global war against terror, it amazes me that terrorists can come into our cities and wave terrorist flags (supporting and promoting terrorism) and not get arrested. What gives?

À mon avis, we have to come to throw around the term "terrorist" with too much ease.

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: Harper softens support for Israel, responding to pol

Oh, it is quite clear who they are ... a terrorist organization, as we have officially stated in 2002.

How do we know folks are expressing suport for this terrorist organization? Just yesterday here, the Lebanese community had a protest march. Most of the demonstrators were carrying Lebanese flags. I didn't see too many Canadian flags, so we all know where the affiliation of many of these "Canadian Citizens" lies. Anyhow, some of the protestors actually had the gall and nerve to carry flags of a terrorist organization, Hezbollah. I noticed police officers were confiscating these flags. These individuals should have been arrested as they were clearly promoting and supporting terrorism.

For many of us, particularly those of us here who have family in New York, the events of 9/11 will not be soon forgotten. This, coupled with the ongoing global war against terror, it amazes me that terrorists can come into our cities and wave terrorist flags (supporting and promoting terrorism) and not get arrested. What gives?

You should be arrested for promoting and supporting hatred against a particular cultural group. The fact that a Lebanese Canadian has a desire to protect the country of his/her origin does not make them any less Canadian than anyone else. They indeed have the right to protect their families still in Lebanon, as you apparently want to protect your family still in NY. Does the fact that many Jewish Americans in want to protect their homeland of Israel make them any less American? NO, of course not.

What gives is that violent actions of any nation or group of people can be construed as terrorism in that it strikes terror into the heart of other people. Israel's actions which are beyond a measured response therefore show that it is acting as a terrorist nation too. Perhaps its flags should be banned from pro Israel demonstrations.

Yeah Shannon appears to be a little loonie.

I guess as long as the government says a group is bad, there is no way we can use our freedom of speech in Shannons world to voice our opinion. I'm glade we do not live in Shannons world.

 

[Just the Facts]

War is not just war when one side has a few small arms and a bunch of cast off garbage rockets that can't hit anything except by accident,

They should have taken that into account before they started the war. I hate to keep burping up the same old analogy, but a man with a sharp stick is just as dangerous as a man with a michine gun if you don't defend yourself. If you keep trying to kill me with a sharp stick after I've turned the other cheek so many times, I will be inclined to just blow you away with my machine gun.

 

[BitWhys]

newsflash.

There was nothing to start because nothing was ever finished. There is no treaty between Lebanon and Israel.

 

[shannon]

Re: RE: Harper softens support for Israel, responding to pol

Oh, it is quite clear who they are ... a terrorist organization, as we have officially stated in 2002.

How do we know folks are expressing suport for this terrorist organization? Just yesterday here, the Lebanese community had a protest march. Most of the demonstrators were carrying Lebanese flags. I didn't see too many Canadian flags, so we all know where the affiliation of many of these "Canadian Citizens" lies. Anyhow, some of the protestors actually had the gall and nerve to carry flags of a terrorist organization, Hezbollah. I noticed police officers were confiscating these flags. These individuals should have been arrested as they were clearly promoting and supporting terrorism.

For many of us, particularly those of us here who have family in New York, the events of 9/11 will not be soon forgotten. This, coupled with the ongoing global war against terror, it amazes me that terrorists can come into our cities and wave terrorist flags (supporting and promoting terrorism) and not get arrested. What gives?

You should be arrested for promoting and supporting hatred against a particular cultural group. The fact that a Lebanese Canadian has a desire to protect the country of his/her origin does not make them any less Canadian than anyone else. They indeed have the right to protect their families still in Lebanon, as you apparently want to protect your family still in NY. Does the fact that many Jewish Americans in want to protect their homeland of Israel make them any less American? NO, of course not.

What gives is that violent actions of any nation or group of people can be construed as terrorism in that it strikes terror into the heart of other people. Israel's actions which are beyond a measured response therefore show that it is acting as a terrorist nation too. Perhaps its flags should be banned from pro Israel demonstrations.

First off I was not promoting hatred against any cultural group, bite your tongue, I was promoting hatred towards terrorism. That includes all terrorist organizations as declared by Canada; Hamas, Al Qaeda ... and yes Hezbollah.

You have stated above that Israel is acting as a terrorist nation. Well, Canada has not listed Israel as a terrorist nation. Last time I checked, I was still a Canadian citizen and as a Canadian citizen, I don't associate with terrorist groups that my government has declared as the enemy, particularly as we are still actively involved in the global war against terror.

If you fuzzylogic are a Canadian citizen, then you should be arrested and charged with treason for siding with the enemy.

 

[FiveParadox]

Re: RE: Harper softens support for Israel, responding to pol

shannon[/i]]
If you fuzzylogic are a Canadian citizen, then you should be arrested and charged with treason for siding with the enemy.

Support for the Lebanese Republic isn't the same thing as supporting Hezbollah.

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: Harper softens support for Israel, responding to pol

Oh, it is quite clear who they are ... a terrorist organization, as we have officially stated in 2002.

How do we know folks are expressing suport for this terrorist organization? Just yesterday here, the Lebanese community had a protest march. Most of the demonstrators were carrying Lebanese flags. I didn't see too many Canadian flags, so we all know where the affiliation of many of these "Canadian Citizens" lies. Anyhow, some of the protestors actually had the gall and nerve to carry flags of a terrorist organization, Hezbollah. I noticed police officers were confiscating these flags. These individuals should have been arrested as they were clearly promoting and supporting terrorism.

For many of us, particularly those of us here who have family in New York, the events of 9/11 will not be soon forgotten. This, coupled with the ongoing global war against terror, it amazes me that terrorists can come into our cities and wave terrorist flags (supporting and promoting terrorism) and not get arrested. What gives?

You should be arrested for promoting and supporting hatred against a particular cultural group. The fact that a Lebanese Canadian has a desire to protect the country of his/her origin does not make them any less Canadian than anyone else. They indeed have the right to protect their families still in Lebanon, as you apparently want to protect your family still in NY. Does the fact that many Jewish Americans in want to protect their homeland of Israel make them any less American? NO, of course not.

What gives is that violent actions of any nation or group of people can be construed as terrorism in that it strikes terror into the heart of other people. Israel's actions which are beyond a measured response therefore show that it is acting as a terrorist nation too. Perhaps its flags should be banned from pro Israel demonstrations.

First off I was not promoting hatred against any cultural group, bite your tongue, I was promoting hatred towards terrorism. That includes all terrorist organizations as declared by Canada; Hamas, Al Qaeda ... and yes Hezbollah.

You have stated above that Israel is acting as a terrorist nation. Well, Canada has not listed Israel as a terrorist nation. Last time I checked, I was still a Canadian citizen and as a Canadian citizen, I don't associate with terrorist groups that my government has declared as the enemy, particularly as we are still actively involved in the global war against terror.

If you fuzzylogic are a Canadian citizen, then you should be arrested and charged with treason for siding with the enemy.

Shannon since when has it been wrong to voice your support for any cause? In Canada you could be a communist during the cold war, they were the enemy yet were able to function as a political party, have a news paper and run in the elections. How is being against a war, or supporting the Lebaness people, or dar I say it, siding with Hezbollah vocally any different. Last time I looked Canada was not at war with Hezbollah, Lebanon, or even Iraq.

Shannon we live in a Liberal-Social Democracy here in Canada, not a fascist state.

 

[para-dice]

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Its not principled so much as it's ideological. Not that his voters will notice.

ns (nice shot)

 

[sanch]

Re: RE: Harper softens support for Israel, responding to pol

You should be arrested for promoting and supporting hatred against a particular cultural group. quote]

First off I was not promoting hatred against any cultural group, bite your tongue, I was promoting hatred towards terrorism. That includes all terrorist organizations as declared by Canada; Hamas, Al Qaeda ... and yes Hezbollah.

Shannon you definitely promoted hatred against another cultural group by claiming it was open season on Lebanese Canadians in south Lebanon. I made a nice copy of the page for reference. You were in effect promoting the killing of innocent Canadians as justified because they must be complicit in some way.

Conversely I see nothing wrong in the post you were critiquing here.

In both Israel and Jordan and elsewhere in the Middle East families are held accountable for laws other family members allegedly break. This is not the case in Canada and the rest of the civilized world.

 

[shannon]

Re: RE: Harper softens support for Israel, responding to pol

You should be arrested for promoting and supporting hatred against a particular cultural group. quote]

First off I was not promoting hatred against any cultural group, bite your tongue, I was promoting hatred towards terrorism. That includes all terrorist organizations as declared by Canada; Hamas, Al Qaeda ... and yes Hezbollah.

Shannon you definitely promoted hatred against another cultural group by claiming it was open season on Lebanese Canadians in south Lebanon. I made a nice copy of the page for reference. You were in effect promoting the killing of innocent Canadians as justified because they must be complicit in some way.

Conversely I see nothing wrong in the post you were critiquing here.

In both Israel and Jordan and elsewhere in the Middle East families are held accountable for laws other family members allegedly break. This is not the case in Canada and the rest of the civilized world.

Sanch, looks like you've been at the booze once again. I said no such thing. What I did say is that in our global war against terror, those states or individuals who support or harbor terrorists are just as guilty as the terrorists themselves. As we continue to hunt down the terrorists, those who harbor or support the terrorists are on our list as well. They ar eopen target. We need to maintain a zero tolerance approach towards terrorism, always. We can't let our guard down, not since the tragic events of 9/11.

 

[Finder]

shannon, are you a nut? So you think since 9/11 that if you state that Isreal bombing another nation, or disagreeing with American policy is enough to land you in jail because we have to be on guard?! You are a Libertarians worst nightmare my friend and a communists or fascists wet dream.

 

[shannon]

shannon, are you a nut? So you think since 9/11 that if you state that Isreal bombing another nation, or disagreeing with American policy is enough to land you in jail because we have to be on guard?! You are a Libertarians worst nightmare my friend and a communists or fascists wet dream.

I am a nut? For suporting our efforts in the global war against terror? In case you forget, we have troops who are dying in Afghanistan at the hands of terrorists and you sit there sympathizing with Hezbollah, a terrorist organization.

You live in your world, and I'll live in mine, thank you very much.

By the way, if you get a chance, you should probably read Don MacPherson's column in today's edition of the Montreal Gazette. It's found under the Editorial/Op-ed section. I'm quite sure it will enlighten you. It's titled "It's safe to Support Terrorists Again".

 

[fuzzylogix]

shannon, are you a nut? So you think since 9/11 that if you state that Isreal bombing another nation, or disagreeing with American policy is enough to land you in jail because we have to be on guard?! You are a Libertarians worst nightmare my friend and a communists or fascists wet dream.

I am a nut? For suporting our efforts in the global war against terror? In case you forget, we have troops who are dying in Afghanistan at the hands of terrorists and you sit there sympathizing with Hezbollah, a terrorist organization.

You live in your world, and I'll live in mine, thank you very much.

By the way, if you get a chance, you should probably read Don MacPherson's column in today's edition of the Montreal Gazette. It's found under the Editorial/Op-ed section. I'm quite sure it will enlighten you. It's titled "It's safe to Support Terrorists Again".

And YOU, Shannon, should read the following BOOKS ( a bit more than a small column, but you might manage them). Not only will these ENLIGHTEN you, but they will INFORM you.

A People's History of the United States - Howard Zinn
Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace - Gore Vidal
Blowback - Chalmers Johnson
From Naked Ape to Superspecies- David Suzuki and Holly Dressel
How to Think Straight- Antony Flew

 

[shannon]

shannon, are you a nut? So you think since 9/11 that if you state that Isreal bombing another nation, or disagreeing with American policy is enough to land you in jail because we have to be on guard?! You are a Libertarians worst nightmare my friend and a communists or fascists wet dream.

I am a nut? For suporting our efforts in the global war against terror? In case you forget, we have troops who are dying in Afghanistan at the hands of terrorists and you sit there sympathizing with Hezbollah, a terrorist organization.

You live in your world, and I'll live in mine, thank you very much.

By the way, if you get a chance, you should probably read Don MacPherson's column in today's edition of the Montreal Gazette. It's found under the Editorial/Op-ed section. I'm quite sure it will enlighten you. It's titled "It's safe to Support Terrorists Again".

And YOU, Shannon, should read the following BOOKS ( a bit more than a small column, but you might manage them). Not only will these ENLIGHTEN you, but they will INFORM you.

A People's History of the United States - Howard Zinn
Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace - Gore Vidal
Blowback - Chalmers Johnson
From Naked Ape to Superspecies- David Suzuki and Holly Dressel
How to Think Straight- Antony Flew

Books eh ...

Let's see ... Howard Linn, although a veteran, he was and still is a far left anti-war radical. Read this column by Michael Kazin, he tells it like it is ...

http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/?article=385

As for Gore Vidal, he befriended terrorist Timothy McVeigh while in McVeigh was in prison. Another looney bin.

In regards to Chalmers Johnson's Blowback, in his statement, "If we play into the hands of the terrorists, we will see more collateral damage among our own citizens", he is indirectly implying that we give in to the terrorists. That's right, let them take over. He also claims that master terrorist Bin Laden is no more evil than the US President. I'm surprised that with those far fetched statements, anyone takes him seriously at all.

As for David Suzuki et Al, their "From Naked Ape to Superspecies" book has nothing to do with the topic at hand. We're not discussing microscopic species, herbicides or genetically engineered crops and our food suply here. It is irrelevant.

Finally, as for the last book "How to Think Straight", I suggest you replace it with Fighting Terrorism, By Benjamin Netanyahu.