Harper says he'll protect traditional marriage

[tibear]

RB,

This thread is about conservatives views on the whole SSM debate. If you will check the media over the last few months, I believe the conservatives have inferred that this SSM debate will lead to other relationships coming forward and "demanding" their rights. So who's off topic??

As for forcing their opinions onto others, I still believe that Vanni's definition does just that.

 

[tibear]

RB,

This thread is about conservatives views on the whole SSM debate. If you will check the media over the last few months, I believe the conservatives have inferred that this SSM debate will lead to other relationships coming forward and "demanding" their rights. So who's off topic??

As for forcing their opinions onto others, I still believe that Vanni's definition does just that.

 

[tibear]

RB,

This thread is about conservatives views on the whole SSM debate. If you will check the media over the last few months, I believe the conservatives have inferred that this SSM debate will lead to other relationships coming forward and "demanding" their rights. So who's off topic??

As for forcing their opinions onto others, I still believe that Vanni's definition does just that.

 

[zenfisher]

Re: RE: Harper says he'll protect traditional marriage

Zen, thanks for backing my side by saying incest and pedophilia have both been around forever. This arguement is often used in support of SSM because they believe this has some bearing on whether it was an acceptable part of society.

Au contraire... I do not back your argument at all. Homosexuality has been around forever and earlier societies have had no trouble accepting it. Vanni acquiesced to your request brilliantly. He met the criteria you layed forth.

I, generally, find that the people that are most opposed to SSM , do not know any openly gay or lesbian couples. Seldom, do they know any gay or lesbian individuals. Yet they feel free to impose their values on what they do not understand.

 

[Reverend Blair]

This thread is about conservatives views on the whole SSM debate.

No, it's about Stephen Harper saying he'll protect traditional marriage. Hence the title. His objections about polygamy and incest were debunked as purposeful ignorance and fraud a long time ago.

Any two people who wish to spend their lives together as equals, and to enjoy the legal benefits and obligations thereof.

Forces nothing on anybody. You are still free to marry a woman, and so is your daughter, should she so choose. Everybody's happy. It's an excellent definition that Vanni came up with.

 

[tibear]

Vanni's definition is judgemental by preventing more than two people from having relationships.

zen, do you know any polygamists personally? Could this be why you feel free to impose your beliefs onto them?? BTW, I have a cousin who is a lesbian and living with her "spouse". I still love her and accept them into my home, however, they know my position on their relationship. I don't love her any less because she is a lesbian, just as I wouldn't love her less if she voted for the NDP.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Harper says he'll pro

Try the polygamy thread, tibear. It would be the proper place for your arguments about polygamy.

 

[tibear]

RB,

Sorry, in my opinion and those of many others, the discussion belongs here. But thanks for the suggestion.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Harper says he'll pro

About as much as white trash race car drivers belong in the abortion thread, tibear. ;-)

 

[tibear]

I prefer to talk about the issues and not dance around with fingers stuck in my ears shouting, "I can't hear you! I can't hear you!"

But thats OK, it just proves my point that SSM\pro-abortion proponants aren't willing to have an open and honest discussion. They simply want what they want and the heck with everyone else.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Harper says he'll pro

I'm more than happy to talk about the issues, tibear. The real issues though. In this case it could be an open and frank discussion of why the religious right is terrified of gay people. It could be the highly questionable tactic of the reliious right using untruth and scare tactics in an attempt to keep some people from having the same rights as the rest of us. It could be the immorality inherent in the religious right's use of those scare tactics and untruths.

This is not the thread to perpetuate those untruths though. They've been debunked by lawyers, sociologists, politicians, and experts from many other fields. They have nothing to do with gay marriage other than as an attempt by Harper and bigotted followers to scare people. Let's discuss that.

 

[tibear]

RB,

From day one, the SSM proponents have talked about this being a human rights issue and that is what I've restricted the debate to.

My contention is that if we really want a society where absolutely everyone is treated equally, then we have to allow every different type of relationship. We have to get rid of all age discrimination because it isn't fair that a person that is 17 years 364 days can't vote yet someone else that is 18 years can. A society where a 13 year old girl is old enough to have "control of her body" to decide to have an abortion and kill her baby but not old enough to decide to sell her boby on the corner to whomever gives her money.

If you want to talk about basic human rights, lets talk human rights and leave the moral issues out of the debate.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Harper says he'll pro

So start a thread on it, tibear. Your constant harpings about SSM and incest already have a thread, but if you want one on human rights all you have to do is click the "New Topic" button.

 

[tibear]

Again, it is the SSM proponents who have said this is a human rights issue and I'm only following their lead.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Harper says he'll pro

There is a difference between discussing a single human rights issue and discussing a spectrum of human rights issues. That is especially true when someone seems to have the goal of disrupting discussion of the single issue for political reasons.

 

[tibear]

RB,

Rather than looking at a the tree, try looking at the forest. It gives you a much better picture of what is going on. The tree you look at may look healthy but it may be in the middle of a forest dying of dutch-elm disease.

There are issues that you can't see by using the narrow view of the SSM proponents.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Harper says he'll pro

I guess we're back to the abortion thread being about white trash race car drivers then. There's a whole forest of them...many inter-related.

 

[tibear]

Now that the Hutterites have entered the debate, I can hear Martin quaking in his boots!!!

 

[Cosmo]

Geez Louise ... we still fighting about this??? I'll be celebrating my 10th same sex marriage anniversary before this gets resolved! Ya gotta quit encouraging this guy, Rev ... pearls before swine and all that.

Tibear ... did you read the thread in Fun and Jokes about the homosexual agenda? It's true! bahahahaaha ... it's all true. We LIVE just to destroy the christian family ideology. SSM is just the first step ... before you know it you'll be using skin care products and getting dental work and decorating your 4x4 with rainbow stickers. :twisted: :twisted: Lookout rednecks ... we're coming!

 

[tibear]

Cosmo,

I thought this forum was to discuss many different topics, one of them being things that appear in the media.

The Hutterite story is front and centre today on my newspaper. If it wasn't a story it wouldn't be front page would it????

If you don't want to debate, don't. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. Your girlfriend isn't pumping you full of "debate with the anti-SSM people" serum is she???