Harper pledges.......

[Reverend Blair]

I laugh at harper's Cuts Laughing Most of his plans will take 5 years to implement..and where will they be in 5 years? Not in power!

His small business tax cut won't begin to take effect for five years, and there is some sugestion that it will take ten years, although the Conservative plan is unclear.

Oh ya, I forgot. The hidden adenda thing only works against the conservatives.

No, it only works if you have a hidden agenda.

 

[Breakthrough2006]

Except for their stance on same-sex marriage,

Of which 55% of Canadians agree. Wow!! A discussion in parliament followed by a vote. What a novel idea. That would make us almost a democracy.

their wish to remove a woman's right to choose,

Nice try but they already debunked that lie.

their insistence that we privatise everything,

Such as?

their plan to turn Canadian peacekeepers into cannon fodder in American military adventures,

Like Afghanistan?

their hatred of the United Nations,

What does that even have to do with Canadian politics?

their wish to reduce our gun laws to the same mass the US has,

Not even remotely true.

their plans to privatise medicare,

Too late, the Liberals beat them to it. Plus a judge has already declared that our health care system violates the Charter of rights. You are for equality right?

their complete lack of compassion for the poor

,

Liberals stealing money from the poor (tax payers) and giving it to fat cats (his buddies) would make them the reverse Robin Hood.

and Stephen Harper's habit of wearing eyeliner, you mean.

Maybe he is partially gay. Is that a problem now too?

 

[Reverend Blair]

Fock...your party needs to find some better spinners, BT.

Of which 55% of Canadians agree. Wow!! A discussion in parliament followed by a vote. What a novel idea. That would make us almost a democracy.

We already had a discussion in Parliament, followed by a vote. The homophobic bigots lost. 68% of Canadians do not want the issue re-opened.

Nice try but they already debunked that lie.

No, actually...what they did was make a public statement that they wouldn't take an official position while ensuring that the back door was wide open for their unofficial position. Not only would they take away women's right to choose, but they do it in a manner that is inherently corrupt.

Such as?

Everything. It's a basic tenet of conservatism and even more central to the twisted creed of the neo-conservatives.

Like Afghanistan?

Like Iraq.

What does that even have to do with Canadian politics?

We have always been an active supporter of the United Nations. It is central to our foreign policy. The Harperites weould toss that away to jam their tongues up George Bush's unwiped ass.

Not even remotely true.

Come on...look at what the Harperites on this site push for. Look at the ties between the freaks at the NRA and the CPC. Cut the crap, BT, we're not that easily fooled.

Too late, the Liberals beat them to it.

So? Does it sound like I'm likely to vote Liberal?

Plus a judge has already declared that our health care system violates the Charter of rights.

First of all, the ruling is only applicable in Quebec so far. Second of all, it's about private insurance and applies only if reasonable wait times aren't met. Why did you just try to misrepresent that ruling? Do you have trouble with the truth all the time, or just when you get desperate?

Liberals stealing money from the poor (tax payers) and giving it to fat cats (his buddies) would make them the reverse Robin Hood.

The Conservatives want to do the same thing. Does that mean that you'll be voting for the NDP.

Maybe he is partially gay. Is that a problem now too?

His denial and the mental problems it is causing in him are a concern, BT.

 

[Breakthrough2006]

We already had a discussion in Parliament, followed by a vote. The homophobic bigots lost. 68% of Canadians do not want the issue re-opened.

There was no discussion and you know for a fact Martin forced his members to support this bill. That's not how a democracy works, that's called totalitarian rule. Maybe you forgot that there are 40 or so "bigots" that call themselves Liberals that voted against it also. Not to mention some CPC members that voted for it. You can't just paint everyone with the same brush Rev. That's no different than claiming that all NDP supporters are union workers or on welfare. Would that be an honest assumption?

No, actually...what they did was make a public statement that they wouldn't take an official position while ensuring that the back door was wide open for their unofficial position. Not only would they take away women's right to choose, but they do it in a manner that is inherently corrupt.

In other words, if the CPC say something you don't agree with, you throw it in their face and if they say something you do agree with, you throw it in their face because it has to be a hidden agenda. If that's the case, the NDP has a hidden agenda because there is no way they will not raise taxes if they get into power.

Everything. It's a basic tenet of conservatism and even more central to the twisted creed of the neo-conservatives.

So what you're saying is you don't actually have any proof. Just hearsay and fear mongering.

Like Iraq.

I hadn't realized that Afghanistan was a peace mission operation for Canada. Thanks for that.

We have always been an active supporter of the United Nations. It is central to our foreign policy. The Harperites weould toss that away to jam their tongues up George Bush's unwiped ass.

Is the same UN that received Billions from Saddam through the oil for food program? Is this the same UN that couldn't organize a tea party during the Tsunami? Is this the same UN that has China in charge of human rights? Is this the same UN that allows millions of Africans to be slaughtered every year without so much as a wimper?

Come on...look at what the Harperites on this site push for. Look at the ties between the freaks at the NRA and the CPC. Cut the crap, BT, we're not that easily fooled.

I'm open minded on all CPC policies Rev. If you can provide me with a link to a legitimate media site that proves what you are saying, I will openly admit that you are correct.

So? Does it sound like I'm likely to vote Liberal?

Regardless, you keep pointing out things you don't like about the CPC yet never point out that the Liberals are guilty of far worse. In this case for example you are willing to villify the CPC for possibly maybe doing something if they get elected yet give the Liberals a free pass for actually doing it on a daily basis.

First of all, the ruling is only applicable in Quebec so far. Second of all, it's about private insurance and applies only if reasonable wait times aren't met. Why did you just try to misrepresent that ruling? Do you have trouble with the truth all the time, or just when you get desperate?

Accusing me of misrepresentation is like the pot calling the kettle black. That's pretty much all you do with the Conservatives. The TRUTH is that the judge specifically said that medicare goes against the Charter which you gleefully point to whenever SSM is an issue. I guess SSM is much more important than health care.

The Conservatives want to do the same thing. Does that mean that you'll be voting for the NDP.

Speculating that they "want" to is far different than "are" doing. No different than speculating that the NDP will double our taxes and pass it off as fact.

His denial and the mental problems it is causing in him are a concern, BT.

I believe similar mental problems caused Svend to steal a $50K ring for his partner.

 

[Reverend Blair]

There was no discussion and you know for a fact Martin forced his members to support this bill.

Well, he's old. I don't think it's nice to discuss his member though. 8O

There was plenty of discussion, BT. They talked about it in the HofC and on the TV and on the radio. There must be 30 or 40 threads on it at this site alone.

You lost. Get over it.

That's not how a democracy works, that's called totalitarian rule.

So vote for the NDP, we'll get PR through, and the system will be more democratic.

Maybe you forgot that there are 40 or so "bigots" that call themselves Liberals that voted against it also.

I haven't forgotten that at all. We had one in the NDP too. She was democratically removed by her riding association and will run as independent next time around.

Not to mention some CPC members that voted for it.

The most prominent of those was villified by the party faithful on Conservative websites for doing so. Word is that villification went all the way through the party and right up to Harper's office and played a role in her decision to cross the floor.

You can't just paint everyone with the same brush Rev.

I use a trim brush for cutting in, a large flat one for large spaces, and a smaller for small spaces. You should see that trim brush though...soft bristle, nicely curved handle, holds a ton of paint. If it was a car it would be a 911.

That's no different than claiming that all NDP supporters are union workers or on welfare.

Ya think maybe I've had that crap screamed at me by enough belligerent little neo-con fockers that I started talking back the same way?

In other words, if the CPC say something you don't agree with, you throw it in their face and if they say something you do agree with, you throw it in their face because it has to be a hidden agenda.

Not at all. I watched your convention though. I listened to what was said. I saw those bastards in the motorhome. I saw the interviews. I saw the analysis, shared by the non-Conservatives and the Conservatives alike, that even the watered down resolution wouldn't have passed if so many western delegates hadn't booked flights on a suddenly defunct airline.

I also watched as Stephen Harper, who was supposed to be in the House doing the job that my tax money pays him to do, chose to go and speak at an anti-choice rally outside.

Your problem isn't your hidden agenda, it's how inept you are at keeping it hidden.

So what you're saying is you don't actually have any proof. Just hearsay and fear mongering.

Nope, what I'm saying is that privatisation is central to the political outlook of your leaders and their supporters.

I hadn't realized that Afghanistan was a peace mission operation for Canada. Thanks for that.

Are you trying to deny that Stephen Harper wanted to send troops to Iraq? Do you think Canadians will forget that if you keep trying to change the subject? Are you forgetting Harper's embarrassing, almost treasonous, apology for us not joining in an illegal war?

Is the same UN that received Billions from Saddam through the oil for food program?

You should do a search on how well that particular lie goes over around here, BT. Better yet, go learn the facts. You guys like to skip over those.

As for the rest of the bullshit in your post, you should know that Annan has being trying to reform the UN for a very long time and came to Canada to ask for help doing that. Some of what he asked for was financial, but most of what he was looking for was political.

The Conservatives attacked the very idea that we might help the UN to reform and concentrated wholly on the financial aspect.

Meanwhile your buddies in the US have done everything possible to undermine the reform process and especially the recommendations that Annan put forward. Typical neo-con bullshit. Do everything possible to undermine the process then bitch when it fails.

I'm open minded on all CPC policies Rev.

How about Stephen Harper on my radio just now saying he'd, "certainly consider a ban," on handguns?

Regardless, you keep pointing out things you don't like about the CPC yet never point out that the Liberals are guilty of far worse.

The Liberals can be dealt with in a minority government though. The Conservatives have shown themselves to parliamentary idiots. They don't understand compromise and act like spoiled brats. A Conservative minority would fall in no time, and lead to a Liberal majority.

In this case for example you are willing to villify the CPC for possibly maybe doing something if they get elected yet give the Liberals a free pass for actually doing it on a daily basis.

Not at all. The Liberals don't get a free pass. They also don't have to run on the Conservative record. This is a thread all about Harper's pledges.

The TRUTH is that the judge specifically said that medicare goes against the Charter which you gleefully point to whenever SSM is an issue. I guess SSM is much more important than health care.

Now you've told an outright lie.

The judge said that if unreasonable waiting times were denying people of access to care in Quebec, then they should be able to purchase private insurance so they could access private care outside of the medicare system.

Now, that's not a good judgement, but that is what the judge said. He did not say what you are claiming he said.

Speculating that they "want" to is far different than "are" doing.

There are several pages of quotes by Harper and other Conservaitves on this site. I'd suggest that you go and read them. Colpy can show you where they are. What I say is not speculation, it is based on the things that have come out of the mouths of Conservatives.

I believe similar mental problems caused Svend to steal a $50K ring for his partner.

Svends mental illness is being treated and is very, very different than Stephen Harper's.

 

[no1important]

There was no discussion and you know for a fact Martin forced his members to support this bill. That's not how a democracy works, that's called totalitarian rule. Maybe you forgot that there are 40 or so "bigots" that call themselves Liberals that voted against it also.

He only forced Cabinet ministers to support it, your post also points out 40 Liberals never supported it. You sort of contridict your statement by saying Martin forced his members to support it.

 

[MMMike]

The judge said that if unreasonable waiting times were denying people of access to care in Quebec, then they should be able to purchase private insurance so they could access private care outside of the medicare system.

Now, that's not a good judgement, but that is what the judge said. He did not say what you are claiming he said.

Is that in your expert legal judgement Rev? :roll:

 

[Breakthrough2006]

He only forced Cabinet ministers to support it, your post also points out 40 Liberals never supported it. You sort of contridict your statement by saying Martin forced his members to support it.

After all that, 40 or so defied him.

There was plenty of discussion, BT. They talked about it in the HofC and on the TV and on the radio.

Radio and TV doesn't count when our elected officials are making decisions.

Ya think maybe I've had that crap screamed at me by enough belligerent little neo-con fockers that I started talking back the same way?

You must be hearing things. I have never made a personal attack against you. Too bad you can't claim the same.

As for the rest of the bullshit in your post, you should know that Annan has being trying to reform the UN for a very long time and came to Canada to ask for help doing that. Some of what he asked for was financial, but most of what he was looking for was political.

You must be in the camp of "his son made millions of dollars illegaly but Annan couldn't possibly have known a thing about it. Sounds similar to an ex Finance Minister that knew nothing about 355 million dollars being mispent and stolen yet knew nothing even though it was his job to know.

Meanwhile your buddies in the US have done everything possible to undermine the reform process and especially the recommendations that Annan put forward. Typical neo-con bullshit. Do everything possible to undermine the process then bitch when it fails.

How has the UN addressed the milllions of Africans dying every year in multiple genocides?

How about Stephen Harper on my radio just now saying he'd, "certainly consider a ban," on handguns?

Handguns were already banned in 1930. Someone should let Martin know because that is his basis for crime control. I know that they recycle the same promises over and over (child care), but now they have to resort to banning things that have already been banned for 75 years.

The Liberals can be dealt with in a minority government though. The Conservatives have shown themselves to parliamentary idiots. They don't understand compromise and act like spoiled brats. A Conservative minority would fall in no time, and lead to a Liberal majority.

A Conservative minority would lead to the opening of the books and Liberal party members being lead away in handcuffs. It's great to know that the NDP supports such behaviour.

The judge said that if unreasonable waiting times were denying people of access to care in Quebec, then they should be able to purchase private insurance so they could access private care outside of the medicare system.

The judge specifically mentioned that it went against the Charter of rights. Judging from your answer though, it sounds like you're in favour of some privatization of health care. Did you come up with that all by yourself or are you simply following Layton's lead? I have a coworker that would blow up at even the mention of privatizing healthcare but ever since Layton made his speech the other day, he is miraculously open minded.

Svends mental illness is being treated and is very, very different than Stephen Harper's.

I guess the next time Svend goes on a crime spree, he can simply claim that he forgot to take his medication and all will be forgiven.

 

[Colpy]

Svends mental illness is being treated and is very, very different than Stephen Harper's

No, I'd say they are about the same : non-existent.

 

[no1important]

Harper says he has a Cancer strategy.

Harper uses spotlight to unveil cancer strategy

A teaser:

After a morning promise to spend $250 million over five years fighting cancer, Conservative Leader Stephen Harper used an afternoon stop to question how much has changed in Canada over 12 years of Liberal government. [/end of teaser]

Thats a start but really 50 million a year is not a hell of a lot. It should be more. Hell Terry Fox raised half that in 1980 (24.17 million) and in 1980 dollars. But nevertheless any money no matter how little is a good thing.

Harper promises pension shelter for seniors

A teaser:

Conservative Leader Stephen Harper is promising to let Canada's 2.8 million seniors keep more of their retirement dollars.

Harper announced this morning in Guelph, Ont. that a Tory government will double the amount of pension money that can be sheltered from income tax.

Details of his proposal:

* To increase the amount of pension income that can be sheltered from income tax from its current $1,000 a year to $2,000 a year -- and increase it to $2,500 over five years.
* Improve services for seniors, by making government services more friendly towards them, and form a national seniors council -- made up of senior citizens and representatives of seniors' organizations to discuss "issues of national importance." [/end of teaser]

Personally I believe no senior over 65 should have to pay any tax if they get less than $60,000 a year from pensions, rrsp's etc.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Yeah, Harper's goping to cure cancer now. Next week he'll be announcing that he can walk on water. Of course with Harper's lack of an environmental plan, we'll all be able to walk on water if he gets in. 8O

He only forced Cabinet ministers to support it, your post also points out 40 Liberals never supported it. You sort of contridict your statement by saying Martin forced his members to support it.

These guys don't even know which way to spin, No1. :lol:

Is that in your expert legal judgement Rev?

Nope, it's the expert legal judgement of the judge, MMMikey. If you don't like it, then you should get him to change it. Don't let your friends in the Conservative Party come here and make shit up though...it makes you look bad.

After all that, 40 or so defied him.

They didn't defy him. He allowed all non-cabinet ministers to vote freely.

Radio and TV doesn't count when our elected officials are making decisions.

The media has a huge impact on what the electorate think and whether they contact their elected representatives on any given issue.

You must be in the camp of "his son made millions of dollars illegaly but Annan couldn't possibly have known a thing about it.

I'm in the camp of those who took the time to learn the facts instead of reading right-wing op-ed columns written by Republican partisans who started calling for a lynching after Annan said that the invasion of Iraq was illegal.

Sounds similar to an ex Finance Minister that knew nothing about 355 million dollars being mispent and stolen yet knew nothing even though it was his job to know.

It wasn't his job to know, it was his job to allocate money to programs. He was exonerated by a judge with ties to the Conservative Party.

How has the UN addressed the milllions of Africans dying every year in multiple genocides?

You mean the genocides that the US has refused to stop and has blocked others from intervening in, or the ongoing genocide being perpetuated by a mix of right-wing religion and pharmaceutical company kickbacks?

Handguns were already banned in 1930. Someone should let Martin know because that is his basis for crime control. I know that they recycle the same promises over and over (child care), but now they have to resort to banning things that have already been banned for 75 years.

So why did Harper say he would consider the same thing?

A Conservative minority would lead to the opening of the books and Liberal party members being lead away in handcuffs. It's great to know that the NDP supports such behaviour.

Were your eyes always brown or did they turn that way after you joined the CPC?

The NDP has a stronger plan to address corruption than the CPC does. Your claim that there would be Liberals being led away in handcuffs is rhetoric with no substance to back it up. If you have any real knowledge of criminal wrongdoing, then ask the RCMP to investigate it.

The judge specifically mentioned that it went against the Charter of rights. Judging from your answer though, it sounds like you're in favour of some privatization of health care. Did you come up with that all by yourself or are you simply following Layton's lead? I have a coworker that would blow up at even the mention of privatizing healthcare but ever since Layton made his speech the other day, he is miraculously open minded.

You are twisting what Layton said and doing so because you aren't aware of the reality of either the NDP stance or how healthcare is delivered in this country.

You are twisting what the judge said because you, like the other Harperites, would give us an Americanized system.

I guess the next time Svend goes on a crime spree, he can simply claim that he forgot to take his medication and all will be forgiven.

You should get back on your medication too.

 

[Breakthrough2006]

They didn't defy him. He allowed all non-cabinet ministers to vote freely.

You must have a short memory. The CBC did an entire segment on the issue and they were interviewing 2 Liberal Indian members that said that even though they were against SSM, they thought it was best for the party that they tag along. This was nothing close to a free vote.

This anger and fear was expressed at the Liberals' weekly caucus meeting Wednesday. The bill's supporters and opponents, apparently, fell into such a bitter argument that Caucus Chair Andy Savoy, a New Brunswick MP, had to intervene forcefully to restore calm. Suddenly MPs reading the polls and hearing the hostility from back home were genuinely worrying for their futures in politics.

Frankly, I still think C-38 will pass.

Simple legislative math favours passage. This will not be a truly free vote in the House of Commons, even though Prime Minister Paul Martin had promised it would be. Some 70 Liberals will be forced to vote the party line or face expulsion from their various posts. Cabinet ministers, parliamentary secretaries, whips and caucus officers will all be subject to strict party discipline.

http://www.defendmarriage.ca/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=42&Itemid=47

I'm in the camp of those who took the time to learn the facts instead of reading right-wing op-ed columns written by Republican partisans who started calling for a lynching after Annan said that the invasion of Iraq was illegal.

Are you implying that Annan and his friends did not benefit whatsover from the oil for food program?

It wasn't his job to know, it was his job to allocate money to programs. He was exonerated by a judge with ties to the Conservative Party.

He is either corrupt or incompetent.

You mean the genocides that the US has refused to stop and has blocked others from intervening in, or the ongoing genocide being perpetuated by a mix of right-wing religion and pharmaceutical company kickbacks?

That's rich. The UN has no interest in saving African lives because they don't have the means to do anything about it.

The US has refused to help the Africans? This is the funniest post yet. You and the rest of your left wing armada can't wait for the US to go into Africa to help, so that you can start a new anti-war campaign. I guess Somalia doesn't ring any bells either. If the UN doesn't give a damn, and all the bleeding heart liberals want to go over there and offer them flowers and candy, what would you like the US to do?

So why did Harper say he would consider the same thing?

Because it seems that your whipping boy has learned a thing or two from the last election. Martin was trying to get him to say that he is NOT in favour of banning them so the Liberals could claim that he is in favour of more guns on our streets. Harper didn't take the bait and now Martin is looking like a "jack-ass".

Were your eyes always brown or did they turn that way after you joined the CPC?

Personal attack to the side, my eyes only started turning brown when I joined this debate.

The NDP has a stronger plan to address corruption than the CPC does. Your claim that there would be Liberals being led away in handcuffs is rhetoric with no substance to back it up. If you have any real knowledge of criminal wrongdoing, then ask the RCMP to investigate it.

Here we go with the NDP again. There is a reason why the NDP is stuck around 15% of national support. As much as you claim that Canada is afraid of the CPC, they are terrified to see what would be left of Canada if the NDP ever got into power. The Green party has half (8%) the support the NDP has yet have only been an official party in Canada for a few years.

You are twisting what Layton said and doing so because you aren't aware of the reality of either the NDP stance or how healthcare is delivered in this country.

You are twisting what the judge said because you, like the other Harperites, would give us an Americanized system.

Set me staright Rev. What exactly did Layton say. As far as Americanized system, that is the default you and your ilk fall to every time someone mentions improving health care in Canada. There are plenty of better systems around the world other than the US's or Canada's.

You should get back on your medication too.

So I can be more like Svend? No thanks.

 

[Reverend Blair]

You must have a short memory.

Not at all. Nice of you to provide a link to the defend marriage site, though. Tell me, did that group get financial and political help from the US religious right or did they just take the cash?

Are you implying that Annan and his friends did not benefit whatsover from the oil for food program?

Yes. That's backed by the US investigation into the scandal too. You should take the time to educate yourself. Try this site for starters.

He is either corrupt or incompetent.

Prove it.

That's rich. The UN has no interest in saving African lives because they don't have the means to do anything about it.

The US has refused to help the Africans? This is the funniest post yet. You and the rest of your left wing armada can't wait for the US to go into Africa to help, so that you can start a new anti-war campaign. I guess Somalia doesn't ring any bells either. If the UN doesn't give a damn, and all the bleeding heart liberals want to go over there and offer them flowers and candy, what would you like the US to do?

Again, educate yourself. Actually try to learn something instead of thinking that op-ed columns from the radical right and White ouse press releases are news.

Because it seems that your whipping boy has learned a thing or two from the last election. Martin was trying to get him to say that he is NOT in favour of banning them so the Liberals could claim that he is in favour of more guns on our streets. Harper didn't take the bait and now Martin is looking like a "jack-ass".

Nonsense. Harper is willing to say anything if he thinks it will make him a real boy one day. He's waiting for the poll results. The man is a flip-flop artist without a spine of his own.

Here we go with the NDP again.

Do you even know what the NDP plan is?

There is a reason why the NDP is stuck around 15% of national support. As much as you claim that Canada is afraid of the CPC, they are terrified to see what would be left of Canada if the NDP ever got into power. The Green party has half (8%) the support the NDP has yet have only been an official party in Canada for a few years.

Take the Quiz. Don't forget to post your results.

Set me staright Rev. What exactly did Layton say.

He said that private providers of healthcare have always been a reality under our single-payer system and that he wouldn't be chaining their doors shut. He will put money into public providers as a way of combatting private providers and ensure that people don't have to pay out of their own pockets for health care.

Got it straight yet?

As far as Americanized system, that is the default you and your ilk fall to every time someone mentions improving health care in Canada. There are plenty of better systems around the world other than the US's or Canada's.

Three words...NAFTA Chapter 11.

So I can be more like Svend? No thanks.

So you prefer to remain intolerant and ill-informed? No surprise there.

 

[peapod]

mmmmmmm....wonder what harper has to say about this...

The man known to have blazed the trail for the religious-conservative movement in the United States rallied Canadian faith leaders yesterday, urging them to get behind the vote.

Ralph Reed, who led hundreds of thousands of members of the religious right to get the vote out during the era of former U.S. presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, told delegates to a Christian conference last night to put on their work boots and tennis shoes and knock on doors.

"Come Jan. 23, there's going to be a new Canada of conservative traditional values," he told a cheering crowd of 400 people who greeted his remarks with a standing ovation.

 

[Reverend Blair]

That's not at all surprising after the religious right in the US poured all that money into Canada to fight the SSM bill and pushed their candidates in the CPC, especially in Ontario.

This is kind of ow they managed to take over the Republican Party in the US too...turning it into a bastion for religious extremists and assorted other nutbars.

 

[Breakthrough2006]

Ralph Reed, who led hundreds of thousands of members of the religious right to get the vote out during the era of former U.S. presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, told delegates to a Christian conference last night to put on their work boots and tennis shoes and knock on doors.

and the left has Michael Moore and Bono. What you're saying is it's perfectly fine to bring in nutbars to help motivate the left but as soon as the right does the same, it's some kind of faux pass.

Not at all. Nice of you to provide a link to the defend marriage site, though. Tell me, did that group get financial and political help from the US religious right or did they just take the cash?

That's right Rev. Anytime someone posts an article you don't like, you simply dismiss it as propoganda, rhetoric etc. Then you tell others to go do research.

Yes. That's backed by the US investigation into the scandal too. You should take the time to educate yourself. Try this site for starters.

When I said Annan, I meant Annan junior who is guilty as sin. If Africa needs to be addressed as you claim, then why don't countries such as Canada, France and Germany get involved?

Prove it.

EASY. As finance minister he is in charge of....well.....finances. He decides where the money goes and how much of it. That's his job as Finance Minister. Either he knew what was going on and was stealing it or he didn't know what was going on which proves that he wasn't doing his job. If you're waiting for a confession, we will all be waiting a long time. Martin can shoot someone dead on camera and still claim innocence. The pathetic part is there are people that will still vote for him and even more pathetic there will be those that will claim that it was some elaborate set up made up from the Republican party to fix the elections in Canada.

Again, educate yourself. Actually try to learn something instead of thinking that op-ed columns from the radical right and White ouse press releases are news.

Educate me Rev. Why isn't Canada and other bleeding heart liberal governments such as France in Africa? What are you waiting for? Deaths to be in the tens of millions before action is taken?

Nonsense. Harper is willing to say anything if he thinks it will make him a real boy one day. He's waiting for the poll results. The man is a flip-flop artist without a spine of his own.

Flip flop? Chuckle. That would be Layton on private health care and Martin on the GST.

Do you even know what the NDP plan is?

Pray to God that the Liberals win a minority government and then be Martins poodle?

He said that private providers of healthcare have always been a reality under our single-payer system and that he wouldn't be chaining their doors shut. He will put money into public providers as a way of combatting private providers and ensure that people don't have to pay out of their own pockets for health care.

Got it straight yet?

Loud and clear. Too bad that is a flip flop from the last election when he said that there was no room in Canada for private clinics.

Three words...NAFTA Chapter 11.

Three words. Health care broken.

So you prefer to remain intolerant and ill-informed? No surprise there.

Nope. Just honest and non-dellusional. Just when I thought it was only the Liberals that defended theft.

 

[Alberta'sfinest]

See, the reason why increasing penalties won't work is because the problems is that grow-ops are nearly undetectable by the police, and they rarely make a bust that wasn't the result of someone turning them in. Why would we propose to make a law more strict, when we can't even arrest people now? However, the extra time that you'd be gaurenteed to see would result in higher profits for the growers themselves. This would also increase the price of relatively harmless marijuana encouraging people to choose a cheaper drug of choice such as meth or crack, which do kill and destroy lives. Considering that the senate even called for full legalization, it just shows how irrationally idealist conservatives are. The odds of actually getting caught growing with a proper setup, is about 1% per year. In a 10 year period, a highly skilled grower can make around 1-20 million dollars, but only have a 10% chance of actually being busted. You are more likely to become a millionaire this way than you are to win the lottery.

In the end, if the conservatives are trying to push crappy legislation like this, what other crappy bills will they put forth.

 

[Reverend Blair]

[quote"Breakthrough1952"]That's right Rev. Anytime someone posts an article you don't like, you simply dismiss it as propoganda, rhetoric etc. Then you tell others to go do research.[/quote] :roll: :roll: :roll:

You quoted an extremly biased site that is homophobic, against women's rights, and feels that they can impose their insane religious values on people who not practice their religion.

I've done my research, now go do yours.

and the left has Michael Moore and Bono. What you're saying is it's perfectly fine to bring in nutbars to help motivate the left but as soon as the right does the same, it's some kind of faux pass.

Michael Moore and Bono aren't trying to force their religious views on us. They don't claim that Canada is a Christian country or that we should all follow some whacked-out, hateful interpretation of Christianity while watching human rights taken away and lunatic god-freaks controlling he political process.

When I said Annan, I meant Annan junior who is guilty as sin. If Africa needs to be addressed as you claim, then why don't countries such as Canada, France and Germany get involved?

What you are doing is blaming the UN for problems caused as much by the US as everybody else involved. Annan's son did not work for the UN and there is no evidence that he received special consideration because of who his father is.

Canada is involved in Africa. If you knew anything about the UN...if you'd taken the time to educate yourself...you'd understand that George Bush's fear of prosecution by the world court and the USA's reluctance to get involved in anything that does not directly promote their corporate interests or might set a precedent that would limit those interests at some point in the future has caused them to block actions by other nations.

EASY. As finance minister he is in charge of....well.....finances. He decides where the money goes and how much of it. That's his job as Finance Minister.

That's not proof though.

As finance minister he was in charge of allocating money to programs. His job was not to manage each of those programs, nor was it to follow each dollar to see where it finally ended up. He didn't make the programs, he simply allocated the money. Even his job as Finance Minister required the approval of Chretien.

The Sponsorship Program was Chretien's baby, and if you don't know about the ongoing war between Martin and Chretien, then you know nothing of Canadian politics.

Martin did his job...he allocated the money that he was supposed to allocate to a government program.

Try dealing with facts instead of just making shit up, BT.

Educate me Rev. Why isn't Canada and other bleeding heart liberal governments such as France in Africa? What are you waiting for? Deaths to be in the tens of millions before action is taken?

Like I said before, we are in Africa. We have to work under the UN and with the cooperation of African governments because Africa is not part of Canada.

Flip flop? Chuckle. That would be Layton on private health care and Martin on the GST.

Wow, you don't like facts much, do you?

Pray to God that the Liberals win a minority government and then be Martins poodle?

No, that's not it. That would be a better plan than Harper's scheme of kneeling in front of George Bush with his mouth open though.

Loud and clear. Too bad that is a flip flop from the last election when he said that there was no room in Canada for private clinics.

Not a flip-flop at all. There has been private delivery of publically-funded health-care in Canada since Tommy Douglas brought in the first medicare plan in Saskatchewan.

Let's talk about Harper on healthcare though. He said he'd do away with the Canada Health Act. He said he favoured a two-tiered system. He headed an organisation that was created to do away with public health-care. You now expect us to believe him when he says that he won't do those things?

Three words. Health care broken.

And you think we can fix it by adopting a the USA's broken system.

Nope. Just honest and non-dellusional.

Honest? Your either extremely dishonest or completely delusional...likely both.

 

[no1important]

Ho Hum...Another day another pledge from the Boogeyman er....Harper

Harper offers tax credit for young athletes

A teaser:

Canadians who sign their kids up for organized hockey and other sports would be eligible for a tax credit under a Conservative government, Tory Leader Stephen Harper said on Monday.

The tax credit, aimed at parents with children under 16, would allow them to claim $500 in registration fees per child, to "provide modest tax assistance for families who have kids in sports and fitness activities," Harper said.

It's another part of the Conservatives' effort to appeal to ordinary Canadian families. They have already announced a child-care allowance of $1,200 a year per child under six as well as a cut in the GST. [/end of teaser]

Not that it will help his cause much. Why only under 16 why not 17 and under?

This article also goes on to say Harper is saddened by Liberal attack on his daycare plan. Oh boo hoo, want a kleenex Stephen?

 

[Reverend Blair]

Harper pledges to double the DART.

Of course a few weeks ago his MPs were standing up in the House complaining that the DART was a useless PR device and shouldn't have been sent to Pakistan, but now Harper loves the DART.

I'm not sure what he means by doubling it either. It is a very small core group that augments itself from the rest of CAF when called upon.

Does he plan to double the core group or the volunteers from the rest of the CAF? Both? Neither? Does he plan to double the equipment? Does he plan to buy the DART a couple of them big honkin' planes? Does he actually know what the DART is, or was he just looking at some polls and noticing that Canadians like the DART?

So many questions...