Harper pledges.......

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Michael Moore and Bono aren't trying to force their religious views on us. They don't claim that Canada is a Christian country or that we should all follow some whacked-out, hateful interpretation of Christianity while watching human rights taken away and lunatic god-freaks controlling he political process.

No.They're just trying to force their political views on us. Your comments about Christianity is highly offensive by the way.

What you are doing is blaming the UN for problems caused as much by the US as everybody else involved. Annan's son did not work for the UN and there is no evidence that he received special consideration because of who his father is.

The UN has done NOTHING. What are you even trying to say? People in Africa are being slughtered like cattle every day and you're all smug about it.

Canada is involved in Africa. If you knew anything about the UN...if you'd taken the time to educate yourself

UN Organization Mission in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (MONUC)
OP CROCODILE
Democratic Republic of the Congo 8
CF Operations in Sudan
OP SAFARI 26
United Nations Mission in Sudan (UNMIS)
OP AUGURAL
Darfur: Western Sudan (African Union)27
International Military Advisory Training Team (IMATT)
OP SCULPTURE
Sierra Leone 11

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/operations/current_ops_e.asp

72 people, not all them soldiers are looking over an entire continent. You are the one who needs educating. 72 people couldn't stop a street fight in downtown Tornto much less attempt to save millions of Africans from being slaughtered.


Try dealing with facts instead of just making shit up, BT.

I wouldn't want to take that job away from you Rev.

Like I said before, we are in Africa. We have to work under the UN and with the cooperation of African governments because Africa is not part of Canada.

I'm sure the continent of Africa will be eternaly grateful for our huge sacrifice of sending over a couple of hockey teams along with the training staff to save them. Maybe they can organize an exhibition hockey game to get the Africans minds off the fact that millions have died.

Wow, you don't like facts much, do you?

Layton flip flopped on health care. Learn to deal with it.

No, that's not it. That would be a better plan than Harper's scheme of kneeling in front of George Bush with his mouth open though.

Actually, that would be Belinda and Martin or Svend with any guy wearing a ring worth $50K.

And you think we can fix it by adopting a the USA's broken system.

No. There are other countries in the world outside of the US.

Honest? Your either extremely dishonest or completely delusional...likely both.

Personal attacks are a sign of a lost argument.

Are you incapable of having a conversation without resorting to personal attacks or is that too much to ask. Glad to see the moderators are doing their job.
 

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Harper pledges to double the DART.

Of course a few weeks ago his MPs were standing up in the House complaining that the DART was a useless PR device and shouldn't have been sent to Pakistan, but now Harper loves the DART.

I'm not sure what he means by doubling it either. It is a very small core group that augments itself from the rest of CAF when called upon.

Does he plan to double the core group or the volunteers from the rest of the CAF? Both? Neither? Does he plan to double the equipment? Does he plan to buy the DART a couple of them big honkin' planes? Does he actually know what the DART is, or was he just looking at some polls and noticing that Canadians like the DART?

So many questions...

seems like Harper has caught the FLIP FLOP disease that was so purulent around the US election. :roll:


all his pledges sound like bribes.......which (horrors) he be elected....... would probably vaporize the day of the election.
 

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No.They're just trying to force their political views on us. Your comments about Christianity is highly offensive by the way.

There is a huge difference between openly using their celebrity status to make political statements and support political causes, and your religious right trying to take over political parties to destroy the separation of church and state.

I didn't comment on Christianity. I commented on a segment of Christianity that, by their words and actions, has never bothered to read their own damned rule book.

The UN has done NOTHING. What are you even trying to say? People in Africa are being slughtered like cattle every day and you're all smug about it.

You know nothing about the UN. They've been instrumental in fighting AIDS, malaria, and tuberculosis. They've been brokering peace deals and truces. They've been working for the greater good. What have your heroes been doing? Killing women and children with smart bombs?

72 people, not all them soldiers are looking over an entire continent. You are the one who needs educating. 72 people couldn't stop a street fight in downtown Tornto much less attempt to save millions of Africans from being slaughtered.

This is a perfect example of your abject ignorance of both the UN and Canadian foreign policy. Most of the work we do is not military in nature. When it is, it tends to be logistical support and equipment. I notice you never mentioned the much-needed Coyotes we sent to Sudan, for instance.

You think everything requires 1000 guys in military uniforms? You think everything revolves around guns? You'd be wrong.

I'm sure the continent of Africa will be eternaly grateful for our huge sacrifice of sending over a couple of hockey teams along with the training staff to save them. Maybe they can organize an exhibition hockey game to get the Africans minds off the fact that millions have died.

More abject ignorance. Way to go.

Layton flip flopped on health care. Learn to deal with it.

See, now you are lying. Must be a conservative.

No. There are other countries in the world outside of the US.

Yeah, and none of them signed NAFTA so they can't be sued under chapter 11.

How come you had no response to the joke of Harper promising to double the DART when he was ridculing it just a few short weeks ago? Can you explain his plans any better than he did, because they didn't seem to be very well thought-out.
 

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seems like Harper has caught the FLIP FLOP disease that was so purulent around the US election.

He's flip-flopped on so much that it's impossible not to believe that he has a hidden agenda. He is so scared of his former positions that he sent a letter to the Washington times pointing out that he's somehow different than Bush. It's laughable of course...he's just like Bush.
 

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seems like Harper has caught the FLIP FLOP disease that was so purulent around the US election.

He's flip-flopped on so much that it's impossible not to believe that he has a hidden agenda. He is so scared of his former positions that he sent a letter to the Washington times pointing out that he's somehow different than Bush. It's laughable of course...he's just like Bush.

oh he has a hidden agenda alright......

doing that letter thing is SO shabby and "pedestrian"...

Not sure who has less class : he or bush.... :evil:
 

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There is a huge difference between openly using their celebrity status to make political statements and support political causes, and your religious right trying to take over political parties to destroy the separation of church and state.

Why do you always have to exaggerate to make your point. Trying to take over political parties to destroy seperation of church and state? That's no different than me saying ; Layton is trying to destroy business in Canada so that he can unionize the entire country and turn us into a communist state. See. I can exaggerate too.

You know nothing about the UN. They've been instrumental in fighting AIDS, malaria, and tuberculosis.

You must be thinking of Unicef and the WHO. I'm glad to see that the UN has AIDS under control in Africa by the way. :roll:

They've been brokering peace deals and truces.

When was the last time they did that?

What have your heroes been doing? Killing women and children with smart bombs?

I had no idea Wayne Gretzky was a murderer. 8O

This is a perfect example of your abject ignorance of both the UN and Canadian foreign policy. Most of the work we do is not military in nature. When it is, it tends to be logistical support and equipment. I notice you never mentioned the much-needed Coyotes we sent to Sudan, for instance.

Link?

See, now you are lying. Must be a conservative.

We will scrap the GST.
We will improve healthcare.
We will improve relations with the US.
We will implement a national day care program. 1993, 1998, 2003, 2005 and so on and so on.

How come you had no response to the joke of Harper promising to double the DART when he was ridculing it just a few short weeks ago? Can you explain his plans any better than he did, because they didn't seem to be very well thought-out.

Read his press release. I'm not your interpretor. I'm still trying to figure out if the child bonus the CPC will give me is supposed to be for my daughter or for beer and popcorn.
 

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oh he has a hidden agenda alright......

doing that letter thing is SO shabby and "pedestrian"...

Not sure who has less class : he or bush

The really funny thing is that Harper will have to back up on denials...flip-flop again...to please his base. He's kind of trapped now. He needs the religious extremists, the war mongers, the racists, and the rest of the miscreants that put him where he is, but he needs to lose those people if he wants to present himself as a moderate.

That letter looked desperate and dishonest. He would have been better off to simply not respond to it. I have a feeling he'll get pounded with his flip-flopping at the debates this week.
 

Ocean Breeze

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oh he has a hidden agenda alright......

doing that letter thing is SO shabby and "pedestrian"...

Not sure who has less class : he or bush

The really funny thing is that Harper will have to back up on denials...flip-flop again...to please his base. He's kind of trapped now. He needs the religious extremists, the war mongers, the racists, and the rest of the miscreants that put him where he is, but he needs to lose those people if he wants to present himself as a moderate.

That letter looked desperate and dishonest. He would have been better off to simply not respond to it. I have a feeling he'll get pounded with his flip-flopping at the debates this week.

although not a very sophisticated way of phrasing it........it sure seems like he is digging a hole for himself.....one which he might have a big problem wiggling out of...

very interesting as we Canadians as a general rule see through the BS quite clearly......He might have better luck in the US. :wink:

every time I see one of his ads.......I think LESS of him. (and he did not start out at a favorable level ;-)
 

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Adds 8O I'e seen no adds :? Oh that right they don't put those on the fireplace channel just fire .No wonder i haven't seen any :wink:
 

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Why do you always have to exaggerate to make your point. Trying to take over political parties to destroy seperation of church and state? That's no different than me saying ; Layton is trying to destroy business in Canada so that he can unionize the entire country and turn us into a communist state. See. I can exaggerate too.

The religious right has been pushing candidates and viewpoints on the CPC. It's the same tactic they used to take over the Republican Party. You should pay more attention to reality.

There is nothing to back up any of your assertions about Layton or the NDP. You are purposely distorting the truth.



You must be thinking of Unicef and the WHO. I'm glad to see that the UN has AIDS under control in Africa by the way.

My, you are ignorant aren't you?

When was the last time they did that?

It's an ongoing process. Congo and Sierra Leone come to mind though.

I had no idea Wayne Gretzky was a murderer.

Another attempt to evade the truth, BT? You seem to have to do that a lot.


Sausage. (That's the standard reply you'll get when you ask for a link to a story that has been in the mainstream media.)



We will scrap the GST.
We will improve healthcare.
We will improve relations with the US.
We will implement a national day care program. 1993, 1998, 2003, 2005 and so on and so on.

What the hell do Liberal lies have to do with me? How do they excuse you from the lies you tell?

Read his press release. I'm not your interpretor. I'm still trying to figure out if the child bonus the CPC will give me is supposed to be for my daughter or for beer and popcorn.

It's for your daughter. They are trying to buy her from you so they can put her to work in a sweatshop for 14 hours a day.
 

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The religious right has been pushing candidates and viewpoints on the CPC. It's the same tactic they used to take over the Republican Party. You should pay more attention to reality.

So you are lying again. The Republican party is not in the process of turning the US into a theocracy even after 8 years of power. So your comparison of the CPC doing the same is ridiculous.

There is nothing to back up any of your assertions about Layton or the NDP. You are purposely distorting the truth.

I explained to you that I was exaggerating to make a point just as you did with the CPC turning Canada into a theocracy. There is just as much of a probability that the CPC will turn Canada into a theocracy as the NDP will turn Canada into a communist state. None.

It's an ongoing process. Congo and Sierra Leone come to mind though.

U.N. officials say the death toll in the troubled Congo is among the worst in the world, and that fighting in the African country's east could challenge efforts to hold elections this year. U.N. humanitarian chief, Jan Egeland, said Thursday that about 1,000 people are dying per day in the Congo. Many of the deaths are caused by disease and malnutrition in a society broken down by years of war.

A study released Dec. 9 by the New York-based International Rescue Committee reports that 3.8 million people in eastern Congo have died since 1998 and that about 31,000 continue to die monthly as a result of continuing conflict.


Is this our world saviour of an organization?

The following is an excerpt from the Herald coverage:

"I am afraid there is clear evidence that acts of gross misconduct have taken place," said Annan, who is in Tanzania attending a summit on Africa's Great Lakes region. "This is a shameful thing for the United Nations to have to say, and I am absolutely outraged by it."

...
The allegations of sexual abuse are not the first to surface at the world body. Two years ago, a report by the UN High Commissioner for Refugees said scores of refugee children in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone were subjected to sexual abuse in exchange for humanitarian aid.

...
In 2001, the UN acknowledged police officers with its mission in Kosovo were trafficking in prostitutes.

It appears that there isn't much difference between the people you love (UN) and the people you love to hate (US).


Another attempt to evade the truth, BT? You seem to have to do that a lot.

I'm not evading anything much less the truth. You put words in my mouth and pass them off as facts. Where have I stated that the US marines are my heros or that I even support the war in the ME. I don't even support the war in Afghanistan yet Canadian soldiers are dying there thanks to Paul Martin. Now you're going to follow up with the canned response of Harper would have us in Iraq which is purely hypothetical but you will pass it off as factual. Either way, whether a Canadian is dying in Afghanistan or Iraq, the grieving familes don't feel any different.

Sausage. (That's the standard reply you'll get when you ask for a link to a story that has been in the mainstream media.)

I did multiple searches and came up with nothing at all other than some vague mentions on a couple of military forums. I don't know what you would consider mainstream but if I google "Canadian Coyotes sent to Sudan" I would expect to find at least ONE story if it was so "mainstream"

What the hell do Liberal lies have to do with me? How do they excuse you from the lies you tell?

I don't lie Rev but I have caught you lying on at least half a dozen cases. What do the Liberals have to do with you? Good question. You're an NDP supporter that once in awhile mentions something about the NDP in between countless posts of defending the Liberals and their corruptive ways. You defend Liberal policy more than actual Liberal supporters. You should be asking yourself that question, not me.

It's for your daughter. They are trying to buy her from you so they can put her to work in a sweatshop for 14 hours a day.

Just another example of a ridiculous comment that really has no basis for discussion other than a pathetic attempt to brush anyone who doesn't have the same view as you as being somehow evil.
 

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So you are lying again. The Republican party is not in the process of turning the US into a theocracy even after 8 years of power. So your comparison of the CPC doing the same is ridiculous.

Have yopu been paying no attention whatsoever to what has been happening in the US? Bush's faith-based decision and religious leanings have been a major issue since the day he took power.

You already know that though, since you don't live in a cave. You are a liar.

I explained to you that I was exaggerating to make a point just as you did with the CPC turning Canada into a theocracy. There is just as much of a probability that the CPC will turn Canada into a theocracy as the NDP will turn Canada into a communist state. None.

See, in your attempts to hide the truth you are trying to put words into my mouth. I never said Harper would turn Canada into a theocracy, I said he would do away with the separation of church and state. We've seen this happen in the US. Church groups getting federal money, religious theories being presented as science, scientific theories being ignored, sound medical principles being over-ridden by religious belief including in aid packages to non-Christian countries, human rights being trumped by right-wing Christian beliefs.

Canada does not need to go that route, but it is where Harper would take us.

U.N. officials say the death toll in the troubled Congo is among the worst in the world, and that fighting in the African country's east could challenge efforts to hold elections this year.

Like I said, it's an ongoing process. There are elections slated though, a major step, and things are far better than they were a few months ago.

There are lots of other examples too. Who even put Sudan on the agenda? The UN. Who has an AIDS/TB/malaria program to fight disease? The UN.

You'd rather attack them for not stopping wars immediately? Guess what? The UN does not have a military force. The Security Council, including the USA, decides what military actions are taken. The UN has no direct control over that.

They had no direct control over OFF either. The Security Council did. UN people went directly to the US and told them of corruption within the program...there are official reports. The US decided to do nothing. Bush liked OFF so much that he asked the UN to keep it going for a year or so after his illegal invasion. Bush loved it right up until a BBC reporter cajoled Annan into admitting that the US invasion of Iraq was illegal. All of a sudden the witch hunt was on.

You missed all of that though.

I'm not evading anything much less the truth. You put words in my mouth and pass them off as facts. Where have I stated that the US marines are my heros or that I even support the war in the ME. I don't even support the war in Afghanistan yet Canadian soldiers are dying there thanks to Paul Martin.

You are supporting a party that would have sent troops to Iraq if we had any to spare. You are supporting a politician who wrote an open letter to the United States apologising for our refusal to participate in an illegal war that was based on lies. You are supporting a politician who would unquestioningly follow the US into their next illegal military adventure.

If you don't support those things, then you are supporting the wrong party.



Now you're going to follow up with the canned response of Harper would have us in Iraq which is purely hypothetical but you will pass it off as factual. Either way, whether a Canadian is dying in Afghanistan or Iraq, the grieving familes don't feel any different.

It is not at all hypothetical. Harper said that we should have been in Iraq shoulder to shoulder with the US and Britain. He whined like a little girl because this was the first time those two countries had gotten into a war where we didn't go help out.

I did multiple searches and came up with nothing at all other than some vague mentions on a couple of military forums. I don't know what you would consider mainstream but if I google "Canadian Coyotes sent to Sudan" I would expect to find at least ONE story if it was so "mainstream"

CBC (NewsWorld and The National), CTV (Headline News and Lloyd Robertson's nightly broadcast), and Global all carried the story both when we originally sent the Coyotes over and they were blocked by the Sudanese government (much of that was because of the USA's stance on the ICC) and more recently when we were allowed to actually start moving the equipment to the African Union troops. CBC covered it more extensively than the others...News Sunday did a couple of segments on it.

I don't know where you get your news, but you should likely broaden your horizons a fair bit.

What do the Liberals have to do with you? Good question. You're an NDP supporter that once in awhile mentions something about the NDP in between countless posts of defending the Liberals and their corruptive ways. You defend Liberal policy more than actual Liberal supporters. You should be asking yourself that question, not me.

Actually, what I do is defend the truth. Your rhetoric and almost violent vitriol does not serve to solve the problems with either corruption or Liberal policy failures. What it does is cause polarization and obscures the real problems so that they don't get dealt with.

The approach is ill-informed and irresponsible. It is based on half-truths and outright lies. It reduces the political conversation in this country to the kind of crap that we used to hear from south of our border. It makes our government dysfunctional.

Do I defenf the Liberals? Yeah, I defend them from your lies and bullshit so that the real problems can be addressed.



Just another example of a ridiculous comment that really has no basis for discussion other than a pathetic attempt to brush anyone who doesn't have the same view as you as being somehow evil.

It's a sarcastic response to your ridiculous assertion that $1200 dollars a year, less than $25 a week, less than $5 a day, will somehow create childcare spaces and address the needs of real Canadians. It also makes reference to the race to the bottom that Harper's support of deep integration with the US and his lack of support for fair trade initiatives will lead us into.

It requires more thought than a two-bit sound bite that one of Harper's spinners might put out. Sorry if it went completely over your head.
 

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I'm curious to know what some other people think is a solution.

If a crack dealer gets caught selling crack to kids in a schoolyard, what shoud the government do if prison is such a bad option?

Solution: End prohibition, legalise all drugs.

The War on Drugs is not working. It is obvious by now that every time they ratchet up the penalty and persecution of those involved, things get worse - it grows and grows under these conditions.

"Narcotics are estimated to be worth between $500 billion and $1 trillion a year, an amount, according to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan in remarks to a United Nations General Assembly session in June 2003, that is greater than the global oil and gas industry, and twice as large as the overall automobile industry."
- quote from "Global Drug Meta-Group"

There is the corporate connection, where we have been trained to think that "Pharmaceuticals are the only drugs we take".

More people would die of pharmaceuticals than street drugs if it were not for the 'war on drugs', and the dirty impoverished desperate conditions it creates for users [maybe they do anyway, there is a lot of deaths from pharmacy drugs]. Drugtrade violence is the result of prohibition, as is the high price of those drugs, which of course invites organised crime.

Harper has this consistent alliance with the "Elite Corporate Religious Fundamentalists" who get so freaked out about "drugs that don't come from the pharmacy", while swallowing whole the lies of safe pharmaceuticals. [see Vioxx]

"While fundamentalists have lost many battles over abortion, prayer and pornography, they have found the government a willing ally in the "war on drugs". For just as drugs, the counterculture and "consciousness" undermine faith in hierarchical religious authority, so do they undermine faith in political authority."
- http://deoxy.org/pdfa/woc.htm

Ya, some of us see where Harper is coming from with this initiative to increase the number of victims of the War on Drugs.
 

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If a crack dealer gets caught selling to kids in a schoolyard, the death penalty is appropriate. Same thing for alcohol, cigarettes, etc.

Selling to adults, do nothing, except send them a tax bill. That's a simple solution.
 

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In the end they just see it as a source of tax revenue....once I figured this out, I stopped supporting the legalization of marijuana.
 

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Have yopu been paying no attention whatsoever to what has been happening in the US? Bush's faith-based decision and religious leanings have been a major issue since the day he took power.

The US is still nowhere close to being a theocracy. Most places still call Christmas trees "holiday" trees. No decisions in congress are made because the bible said so. A good example would be that lady that was euthanized even though Bush and the Republican party was dead set against it. Layton wants to turn Canada into the Soviet Union of Provinces just as much as Harper wants to turn Canada into a religious state.

I never said Harper would turn Canada into a theocracy, I said he would do away with the separation of church and state.

Same end result.

Like I said, it's an ongoing process. There are elections slated though, a major step, and things are far better than they were a few months ago.

There are lots of other examples too. Who even put Sudan on the agenda? The UN. Who has an AIDS/TB/malaria program to fight disease? The UN.

You're examples aren't good ones but I have to admit that the UN does "some" good. However, they are a long way from being effective in any capacity. For the amount of money that gets poured into it, Unicef and WHO would do a much better job preventing the spread of disease.

You'd rather attack them for not stopping wars immediately? Guess what? The UN does not have a military force.

If they can't stop wars, then they are powerless to stop the multiple genocides occuring in Africa.

The Security Council, including the USA, decides what military actions are taken. The UN has no direct control over that.

So if you're the US, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Bush loved it right up until a BBC reporter cajoled Annan into admitting that the US invasion of Iraq was illegal. All of a sudden the witch hunt was on.

Witch hunt eh? Are you actually saying that there was no corruption involved in the OFF.

You are supporting a politician who would unquestioningly follow the US into their next illegal military adventure.

All hypothetical and as I specified, a CDN dead soldier is dead whether he died in Afghanistan or Iraq. It's not like you can be "more" dead in Iraq than Afghanistan.

If you don't support those things, then you are supporting the wrong party.

No I don't support those things because I'm not brainwashed to agree with absolutely everything the party I support does. Unlike many others that are even defending the "beer and popcorn" remark. You keep forgetting that I have voted mostly Liberal in my lifetime. We squabble back and forth but at the end of the day there really isn't a huge difference between the parties. Personally, I'm fed up with the Liberal arrogance and the continuing scandals. This time my vote is going for the Conservatives.

Actually, what I do is defend the truth. Your rhetoric and almost violent vitriol does not serve to solve the problems with either corruption or Liberal policy failures.

I'm the one backing up my claims with links and you're the one that posts "sausage". Solving the corruption with the Liberals is easy. Vote them out.

Do I defenf the Liberals? Yeah, I defend them from your lies and bullshit so that the real problems can be addressed.

I think we've already established who the liar's are.

It's a sarcastic response to your ridiculous assertion that $1200 dollars a year, less than $25 a week, less than $5 a day, will somehow create childcare spaces and address the needs of real Canadians. It also makes reference to the race to the bottom that Harper's support of deep integration with the US and his lack of support for fair trade initiatives will lead us into.

How did this topic turn to child care all of a sudden? 8O
 

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The US is still nowhere close to being a theocracy. Most places still call Christmas trees "holiday" trees. No decisions in congress are made because the bible said so. A good example would be that lady that was euthanized even though Bush and the Republican party was dead set against it.

Why was Bush even involved in the euthanasia issue? Why is he trying to overturn Roe v. Wade? Why are National Parks employees required to recite biblical myths along with scientific fact? Why is there a global gag order? Why are religious organisations getting federal funding (btw, Muslim and Jewish organisations have been turned down...only Christian organisations need apply).

Harper is cut from the same cloth as George Bush and would erode the separation of church and state in the same manner. You can support that if you want, but don't dare claim that it doesn't matter or that your religious beliefs are somehow democratic.

Same end result.

No. Harper is trying, rather unsuccessfully, to keep his agenda hidden.

You're examples aren't good ones but I have to admit that the UN does "some" good. However, they are a long way from being effective in any capacity. For the amount of money that gets poured into it, Unicef and WHO would do a much better job preventing the spread of disease.

http://www.un.org/Overview/brief.html
http://www.un.org/geninfo/ir/

By UNICEF you mean the the United Nations Children's Fund

By the WHO you mean United Nations specialized agency for health.

That you didn't know that UNICEF and the WHO were part of the UN just highlights your ignorance of what the UN is and what it does.

If they can't stop wars, then they are powerless to stop the multiple genocides occuring in Africa.

So tell George Bush to quit blocking progress.

So if you're the US, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

No. The US could easily act responsibly and back the UN in peacekeeping missions instead of starting illegal wars while trying to destroy the UN. The US is damned because they act like international assholes.

Witch hunt eh? Are you actually saying that there was no corruption involved in the OFF.

Not at all. I'm saying hat the UN went as far as pointing the corruption out to the US and the US refused to do anything about it. That's documented fact.

All hypothetical and as I specified, a CDN dead soldier is dead whether he died in Afghanistan or Iraq. It's not like you can be "more" dead in Iraq than Afghanistan.

So why do you support Harper, who would have us in Iraq and refuses to even question what we are doing in Afghanistan, including possible collusion in war crimes by handing prisoners over to the US to be tortured?

I'm the one backing up my claims with links and you're the one that posts "sausage". Solving the corruption with the Liberals is easy. Vote them out.

You are the one who apparently doesn't have access to a television set. You supply links to op-eds. You aren't willing to acknowledge that it isn't just the Liberals who have corruption problems and that Harper would go after the Liberals without ever addressing Conservative corruption. That's extremely hypocritical.

I think we've already established who the liar's are.

We have. The Conservatives and their supporters have drifted so far away from anything resembling the truth that they wouldn't recognise it if it ass-raped them.



How did this topic turn to child care all of a sudden?

You said,

Read his press release. I'm not your interpretor. I'm still trying to figure out if the child bonus the CPC will give me is supposed to be for my daughter or for beer and popcorn.

You introduced the topic, then didn't like or understand my reply.
 

no1important

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Harper pledges to reform the senate and fixed election dates.

Tories pledge Senate reform, fixed election dates

A teaser:

Stephen Harper said that a Conservative government will initiate reforms to elect senators and set fixed election dates.

In Vancouver today, the Tory leader released the "Conservative plan of Democratic Reform" which pledges to:

* introduce fixed election dates every four years, except when a government loses the confidence of the House;
* establish a federal process for electing senators; and
* end "parachute" candidates by requiring that a party's local candidate has the approval of their constituency associations. [/end of teaser]
 

Reverend Blair

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end "parachute" candidates by requiring that a party's local candidate has the approval of their constituency associations.

Does that include Andrew Scheer, who the Conservatives parachuted into Regina/Quappelle? Would the Conservatives try to exempt him because he apparently landed on his head?

* introduce fixed election dates every four years, except when a government loses the confidence of the House;
* establish a federal process for electing senators

Does this new, Americanized system mean that we'll all be given a copy of the Stars and Stripes with the 51st star being represented by a tiny maple leaf?

Notice how there's no mention of Parliamentary reform to address the fact that both the Liberals and Conservatives routinely get a much larger percentage of seats in the HofC than they do a percentage of the popular vote?

Why is Harper so afraid of democracy?
 

TenPenny

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Fixed election dates....from the party that brought in a non confidence motion, and forced an election.

This makes sense, doesn't it? Harper really, really must think we're all stupid. So what would be his plan if there were fixed election dates now? What would he expect us all to do with this gov't that we have no confidence in? Just let them carry on until the next date rolls around?

In the words of Bugs Bunny: "What a Maroon."