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MMMike

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Reverend Blair said:
Maybe it's a Conservative thing then...family values and all that.

No Rev, it's a man thing. I think shopping is bred into the women - they're so good at it. Me... ten minutes in the shopping mall around x-mas time and I'm ready to kill.
 

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MMMike said:
Reverend Blair said:
Maybe it's a Conservative thing then...family values and all that.

No Rev, it's a man thing. I think shopping is bred into the women - they're so good at it. Me... ten minutes in the shopping mall around x-mas time and I'm ready to kill.

No, its a gender thing.

Women are, in general, process orientated. In other words, send them shopping with no particular gift in mind, and they can often enjoy it, especially if in the company of other women.

Men, on the other hand, are generally goal orientated. Send them in with a woman, have her wander around feeling stuff, and in an hour they have the same stress level as a fighter pilot going into combat. Seriously. A couple of Christmases back, they had a stress expert on CBC news explain this. He had tested pilots in the Falklands War, and husbands shopping with their wives.

On a personal note, I do all the grocery shopping at my house. My dear wife makes a list and off I go. We used to do it together, as I am the only one that drives, but that didn't work. When I watched her fondle her 42nd package of bacon, my head would come off. After a couple of public yelling matches, we found the current solution.

And it works.

I can buy $200 worth of groceries in half the time, and so what if it costs me $5 more. I'm DONE! :D
 

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BTW, despite the fact I do ALL the grocery shopping, I have absolutely NO idea what 2 litres of milk costs. And I don't care. I need it, into the cart it goes.
 

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I only buy milk in 1 litre cartons; they're easier for people with small hands to use.

I know roughly what it costs, but what the hell difference does it make? Just how many inane details do you expect everyone to know off the top of their heads.

I want to mail an oversize letter; how much does it cost? What are the weight limits? Does knowing this qualify me to be Prime Minister?

How much would a dairy farmer have to pay per litre for a milk quota?
 

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The milk question is a pretty standard question, Ten Penny. The press like to ask it as a guage of whether the candidate is in touch with the lives of average Canadians. Politicians who have never bought a litre of milk in their lives should be able to answer it. If they can't, their handlers should be whipped like pariah dogs being fired.
 

MMMike

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Men, on the other hand, are generally goal orientated. Send them in with a woman, have her wander around feeling stuff, and in an hour they have the same stress level as a fighter pilot going into combat. Seriously. A couple of Christmases back, they had a stress expert on CBC news explain this. He had tested pilots in the Falklands War, and husbands shopping with their wives.

On a personal note, I do all the grocery shopping at my house. My dear wife makes a list and off I go. We used to do it together, as I am the only one that drives, but that didn't work. When I watched her fondle her 42nd package of bacon, my head would come off. After a couple of public yelling matches, we found the current solution.

Man, I can soooo relate to that. My wife likes to do everything as a family - grocery shopping, xmas shopping... whatever. She'll leisurely wander the isles looking at stuff, and putting whatever catches her eye in the cart. Meanwhile I just want to get the hell out of there. I'm not really sure what the cost of milk and eggs are... if I need, I buy 'em. End of story.
 

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Reverend Blair said:
The milk question is a pretty standard question, Ten Penny. The press like to ask it as a guage of whether the candidate is in touch with the lives of average Canadians. Politicians who have never bought a litre of milk in their lives should be able to answer it. If they can't, their handlers should be whipped like pariah dogs being fired.

It's just a pointlessly stupid question, then. By your explanation, the question, and the ability to answer, are meaningless. If the candidate answers correctly, then he's in touch with.....what, exactly? If he doesn't, then his handlers are to blame? So, giving a correct answer only means he's been prepped, and it means nothing at all. Too transparent by far. It's one of those questions that only gives the media something of no substance to discuss.

I guess we're supposed to be fooled by this, but I'm not. It's a stupid attempt to make points.
 

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Colpy said:
When I watched her fondle her 42nd package of bacon, my head would come off. After a couple of public yelling matches, we found the current solution.

Sounds like good times.... :lol:
 

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It's just a pointlessly stupid question, then. By your explanation, the question, and the ability to answer, are meaningless. If the candidate answers correctly, then he's in touch with.....what, exactly? If he doesn't, then his handlers are to blame? So, giving a correct answer only means he's been prepped, and it means nothing at all. Too transparent by far. It's one of those questions that only gives the media something of no substance to discuss.

I guess we're supposed to be fooled by this, but I'm not. It's a stupid attempt to make points.

It is a pointless question. It became popular when George Bush Sr. was doing a photo-op in a supermarket and expressed great surprise at the bar-code scanners.

It is something that the candidates know, or should know, is coming though. For him not to be prepped for it shows a kind of arrogance that politicians cannot afford to express in public. It brings the competence of the entire CPC organisation into question. Details, and being prepared with details, matter.

How he handled it matters too. We were left with the impression that he makes his wife do the shopping...and probably the cooking and cleaning and diaper changing too. It makes him look like an anachronsim.

He could have given answer like Colpy gave..."I don't know, I need it so it goes in the cart," or he could have known what milk and eggs cost in his home riding. He didn't do that.

What's going to happen when Stevie heads off to an international summit and is equally ill-prepared? What happens when he has to face the press? What happens when he has to answer questions instead of asking them in Question Period?

A lot of people think his answer made him look out of touch and old-fashioned. This latest bit about not knowing what his kids got for x-mas furthers that impression.

Those who follow politics more closely are wondering what happens if Stevie is PM. Is he equally ill-prepared for that?
 

Jay

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Well, if Martin can handle it, I'm not worried about Harper.
 

Reverend Blair

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If Martin is asked the question, he'll likely be able to answer it though. I doubt the man has ever bought a litre of milk...maybe a quart in his younger days...but he is generally pretty well prepped.

If he isn't well prepped, Martin handles it poorly. His eyes bug out, he stammers, he fidgets. That doesn't instill a whole lot of confidence either, but you'll notice that it happens a lot less when there's an election on. That's because the political wing of the Liberals...the big red election machine...understands that stupid questions like that are important.
 

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I think the milk thing is blown out of proportion.

I hope he doesn't know what the price of milk is....he is leader of the opposition party. He has important things to do. If he was running for the Milk Board, that would be diffrent.
 

Reverend Blair

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You can think whatever you want, Jay. These details are important though. Parts of the press will judge you on your competence and parts of the public will judge you on your being a real person. The other parties will spin any gaffe.

There aren't many psitives in knowing the answers, but there are a lot of potential negatives to not knowing it.

For example:

I don't even know exactly what a dozen Two Rivers Red costs... I know that it's just under twenty bucks.

You can bet if I was prepping somebody to run in the provincial election, they'd be seen in public drinking (not much though) something made in Manitoba and they'd know exactly how much it cost and how many employees worked at the plant.

When it hit the press, it would be minor thing..."Candidate has a beer with brewery workers." If it came up in an interview the next day, the questions would go away as quickly as they were asked. "How much is that beer?"

"$19.65 and it's made by the 236 fine employees at the Fort Garry Brewing Company. The Brewmaster's name is Kevin and he tells me that it's an excellent place to work."

No controversy, no lingering stories. No tie-ins to a future off-hand statement.

The Conservatives have never figured that out. Harper would have cruised in, had a Heiniken in a bar owned by an American chain, not known how much it cost, and would have had to read the label to know where it came from. He wouldn't have known the bartender's name or how many people work there.
 

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Sure. I guess different issues mean more to some than others.

Does this have anything to do with knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing? I dunno, does it really matter?

Do you think Harper knows what a pencil of eye liner is worth, or does he just wear his wife's? :)
 

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I don't think that it's rocket science that legalization is not the answer. Check out the Needle Park experiment in Switzerland, the free Heroin in England. Dismal failures all.
Prisons that are not a nice place to go to sound scary to me. The way it is now, philosophic nonsense is applied to hard core street thugs and they just laugh. They don't find hard time a laughing matter.
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Somehow I think that being in an ugly place like jail FOR TWO YEARS has much more deterrant factor than being told that you have had a rough childhood and that's why you're a crack distributor and need help.
Pat
 

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Somehow I think that being in an ugly place like jail FOR TWO YEARS has much more deterrant factor than being told that you have had a rough childhood and that's why you're a crack distributor and need help.
Pat


or maybe you is a crack distributer due to supply and demand.....with the bottom line being money/income/ ...

two years in prison is an excellent hiatus for them ......and an opportunity to learn a lot of new tricks......while becoming even harder..
 

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Actually harm reduction plans have been a success in Great Britain and other parts of Europe, Patsplace. The small attempt in Vancouver has been a success as well.

Harsher prison sentences and the hardline approach championed by the Harperites and their Bush buddies down in the US have been as big a failure as the prohibition of alcohol was. The costs, human and financial, of the phoney war on drugs have been huge.