Harper and Rae pile on as Mulcair’s dual citizenship raises eyebrows

[captain morgan]

You cannot possibly be that obtuse. You're just being contrary for it's own sake.

Like Bear mentioned, he is that obtuse.

That's the result one can expect when there is no argument to be made.. The twisting others' statements and an endless stream of questions.

I hope Captain Morgan does not feel a need to make a choice between loving his mom, his wife and his daughter.

When your old enough to understand, we'll think about explaining the realities then.

For now, you'll have to satisfy yourself - er, ah, wrong term - settle for understanding that I don't wear an eye-patch, stuffed parrot and 'recreate' with a mother/daughter in the same fashion that one might proposition a green-eye(d) playmate in playing a rousing game of 'naked water nymph caught in Captain's net'.

So give an example.

See any of the rebuttals to the endless OP's that are offered by the individual in question.

 

[SLM]

To understand the actual consequence of these 'divided loyalties', we need to know what a leader would do with that sort of power.

To go from questioning the ability to understand an actual consequence of a potential scenario.....

I don't need to wonder what will happen if I throw a hair dryer into the bath whilst having a soak; I already know what the consequence will be.

...to an analogy of how one is actually capable of assessing a consequence without having first to experience an action...

So are you saying that having a dual-citizen leader is analogous to throwing a hair dryer into your bath?

...to this, is just stupid. It's pointless argument for it's own sake.

So give an example.

There's an example of obtuse for you. Enlightening enough?

If you're referring instead to an example of potential problems inherent in conflict of interest, I already did give an example. Business holdings of members of parliament, which was ignored in favour of purposeful obfuscation.

 

[CDNBear]

You can still be nmonogamous and still love your mother, wife, and children. You can also be a heterosexual man and still love your father, son, and friends.

If I believed your analogy.

You seem to be suggesting with that analogy that you have sex with everyone you love, or that the only love that exists is of a sexual nature.

No I'm not.

 

[mentalfloss]

It means you have dual citizenship, nothing more.

Right, so it's essentially meaningless.

If we're to finally step out of the bullcrap, we would realize (once again) that someone who is a dual citizen, could in fact be a better PM than someone who is a purely Canadian citizen. Once we get past that realization, we can begin to examine our potential candidates based on their own true merits, without this shortsighted distraction.

 

[CDNBear]

Right, so it's essentially meaningless.

As meaningless as own a multinational business? On the board of directors of a law firm, bank, financial institution?

If we're to finally step out of the bullcrap, we would realize (once again) that someone who is a dual citizen, could in fact be a better PM than someone who is a purely Canadian citizen.

No, that would be stepping into a different pile of bullsh!t.

Once we get past that realization, we can begin to examine our potential candidates based on their own true merits, without this shortsighted distraction.

LOL.

 

[#juan]

Both of my parents were American so I could have had dual citizenship but
I've never bothered with it. I was in the Canadian military and I declared my
exclusive Canadian citisenship. I think that puts the kybosh on any
American citisenship hopes I might have had, but didn't . Personally,
I don't see how a person can be loyal to two countries at the same time.

 

[Machjo]

Personally,
I don't see how a person can be loyal to two countries at the same time.

By wishing the best for both?

Just like you wish the best for your parents, spouse and children equally.

 

[SLM]

Like Bear mentioned, he is that obtuse.

I don't buy it, it's way too purposeful.

For now, you'll have to satisfy yourself - er, ah, wrong term - settle for understanding that I don't wear an eye-patch, stuffed parrot and 'recreate' with a mother/daughter in the same fashion that one might proposition a green-eye(d) playmate in playing a rousing game of 'naked water nymph caught in Captain's net'.

That's a shame cuz eye-patches and stuffed parrots? Huge turn-on.

 

[Machjo]

Another question. Do you think of your country more like a green-eyed water nymph to satisfy your urges or more like a member of the family which you love?

 

[captain morgan]

That's a shame cuz eye-patches and stuffed parrots? Huge turn-on.

... Just not with family. I dig out the props for my 'special' friends.

Excepting that caveat, what game of water nymph caught in Captain's net is complete without it? It's like having a party and forgetting the veggie oil for twister.

 

[#juan]

By wishing the best for both?

Just like you wish the best for your parents, spouse and children equally.

The best interests of Canada and the best interests of the U.S. or France, are not the same,
regardless of what politicians might tell us.

 

[SLM]

... Just not with family. I dig out the props for my 'special' friends.

Excepting that caveat, what game of water nymph caught in Captain's net is complete without it? It's like having a party and forgetting the veggie oil for twister.

True that. Olive oil is better for the skin though, just fyi.

 

[mentalfloss]

Personally, I don't see how a person can be loyal to two countries at the same time.

It depends on what constitutes loyalty for you. In some ways, we do it all the time just by practicing two different heritages.

The best interests of Canada and the best interests of the U.S. or France, are not the same,regardless of what politicians might tell us.

Right, well that's the ultimate question.

The piece of paper itself is meaningless, but will a dual-citizen leader act in the best interests of the country he's leading or somehow part his leadership for his other country as well?

I think it could actually be a strength for us to have a dual citizen PM. Think of the higher level of scrutiny that leader will have to take instead of being given a pass on his dedication to the country he's leading.

 

[Machjo]

The best interests of Canada and the best interests of the U.S. or France, are not the same,
regardless of what politicians might tell us.

In the long run the best interests of the part are the best interest of the whole. Otherwise there is bound to be conflict.

 

[CDNBear]

It depends on what constitutes loyalty for you. In some ways, we do it all the time just by practicing two different heritages.

Great example, and given the struggle I have in living within them. You just aided my position. Yet again.

Thank you.

I think it could actually be a strength for us to have a dual citizen PM. Think of the higher level of scrutiny that leader will have to take instead of being given a pass on his dedication to the country he's leading.

LOL.

 

[Ron in Regina]

It depends on what constitutes loyalty for you. In some ways, we do it all the time just by practicing two different heritages.

Does anyone swear an oath of allegiance to their heritage? An
oath of allegience to more than one country, if the countries
interests differ at some point, wouldn't there be a conflict,
or at least the appearance of one?

 

[mentalfloss]

In the long run the best interests of the part are the best interest of the whole. Otherwise there is bound to be conflict.

In the long run yes.

That's why global decisions, like the highest priority economic and environmental decisions must be made with the world in mind.

 

[#juan]

In the long run the best interests of the part are the best interest of the whole. Otherwise there is bound to be conflict.

Except, when one party has ten times the size and influence of the other.

 

[Machjo]

If one's parent's, spouse's and children's interests collide, a loving person will lead with justice, not by playing favourists. It's pretty straight-forward.

If he leads with justice, what more can we want?

Except, when one party has ten times the size and influence of the other.

No exceptions.

 

[SLM]

If one's parent's, spouse's and children's interests collide, a loving person will lead with justice, not by playing favourists. It's pretty straight-forward.

If he leads with justice, what more can we want?

You must have a really high opinion of politicians.