If a leader lost an election because they carried a dual citizenship, I think most people would cry about how stupid we are rather than how unfair it was.
Harper and Rae pile on as Mulcair’s dual citizenship raises eyebrows
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If a leader lost an election because they carried a dual citizenship, I think most people would cry about how stupid we are rather than how unfair it was.
Again, its a moot point. This is the NDP. Its not like they won't lose for other reasons first.
Wow. I didn't know you were such a bigot. I may not have agreed with some of your ideas in the past but you seemed willing to participate in a meaningful exchange. Now we see the true colours...
Er, just to clarify, I'm not a member of any party, so he's not my leader. My criticism would be equal if it were the other way around, nothing to do with ideology. I just find it absolutely insulting to quesiton a person's patriotism based on his citizenship. To me it would be equal to questioning his citizenship based on his race, ethnicity, language, religion, etc. It really is his own priave business, and if people vote based on such silly criteria, no wonder our politics are so screwed up, but all the more power to you.
I find it highly offensive to suggest a person is less of a patriot for having dual citizenship.
A leader that would hold citizenship in two country is like a guy going out with a woman who tells her he will not divorce his first wife..... or tell his wife he want's to keep his girlfriend......just because
There should be a law that the leader of our country is Canadian only ...no bigamy.
Nah, this is dumb because there are no repercussions for Canada if our leader had a dual citizenship. It wouldn't harm sovereignty at all.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, our perfectly "Canadian" PM could be considered to be giving away sovereignty.
The citizenship title has had no effect on this.
What???? No Cartoon????? Just this is dumb and a jab at Harper and and you think this is a reason like your jerk-off cartoon at Ski????
You would have been all over this if Harper had been a dual citizen and everybody here knows it and you know it!
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Or this:lol:
Post #1535024 - Re: Harper and Rae pile on as Mulcair’s dual citizenship raises eyebrows
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Don't look at me like I'm Walter, lol
I don't often give neg reps. It's usually when something someone says is blatantly false.
You didn't say it was false you said it was Dumb, just like your cartoon said Ski was a jerk-off.
Don't start pulling an EAO on us.
By definition, we don't and can't have a foreign head of state. By virtue of the fact that she is Queen of Canada, she is not foreign.
It would seem harper should praise Mulcari's family values:
Thomas Mulcair defends dual citizenship - Politics - CBC News
He ended up getting his French citizenship for the benefit of his family.
Thomas Mulcair defends dual citizenship - Politics - CBC News
He ended up getting his French citizenship for the benefit of his family.
Thomas Mulcair defends dual citizenship
OTTAWA — Thomas Mulcair says Stephen Harper's apparent disdain for Canadians who hold dual citizenship has exposed the prime minister's parochial, insular and hypocritical approach to politics. The NDP leadership hopeful went on the attack Tuesday after Harper appeared to question Mulcair's loyalty to Canada.
Mulcair told The Canadian Press he's proud to hold both Canadian and French citizenship.
Mulcair said Harper appears to be implying that Canadians who hold dual citizenship -- some 863,000 of them, according to the 2006 census -- are somehow lesser Canadians or have divided loyalties. "We celebrate our diversity, we have a minister responsible for multiculturalism. But when push comes to shove, if you give him half a chance, the real Stephen Harper comes out (suggesting) 'I'm more Canadian than you are because my family doesn't have a background in different countries,"' Mulcair said.
"It's a reflection of profoundly parochial and insular thinking."
Mulcair said it makes a mockery of the Harper Conservatives' intensive campaign to woo support in ethnic communities, in which many people are likely dual citizens. "I think a lot of the cultural communities who have been so assiduously courted by the Conservatives over the past six years are going to be surprised to learn that the Conservative prime minister believes that you're more Canadian if your family doesn't have a dual background."
Mulcair's wife, Catherine, was born in France and is a citizen of both France and Canada, as are their two children. As the spouse of a French citizen, Mulcair, who was born in Ottawa, was entitled to apply for French citizenship himself.
Mulcair said he did so 20 years ago after an unsettling incident at Spain's Madrid airport, where he was separated for 30 minutes from his wife and two then-young children because he was travelling on a Canadian passport while they had both Canadian and French passports.
"Frankly, it sent a shiver down my spine not to have the same travel documents as my kids and my wife."
Bob Rae, the interim Liberal leader, said Mulcair has every right to seek the NDP leadership and maintain his dual citizenship but noted the irony given Layton's attack on Dion. "I am sure the many thousands of people who hold dual citizenship will remember both the Conservatives and the NDP for their position that they are somehow less Canadian," Rae said in an email.
As far as Liberals are concerned, Rae said "there are no second-class Canadians. Period." And he called on Mulcair to admit Layton was wrong about Dion.
Indeed, Mulcair said he raised the issue with Layton before agreeing to come on board as his Quebec lieutenant in 2007.
"Jack and I talked about it straight up and he told me that literally in so many words ... He said, 'That's not the answer I should have given."'
Mulcair said he's never hidden the fact that he's both a French and Canadian citizen. In fact, the Montreal MP has taken part in news conferences, at the request of the French government, to remind dual citizens that they're entitled to vote in French elections. His wife has actually run as a candidate for French President Nicolas Sarkozy's conservative party. Mulcair said dual citizenship has never been an issue for Quebecers, many of whom are also citizens of France.
"For us, it's just a symbol of the richness of Canada."
Mulcair pointed out that he fought for Canada through two referendums on Quebec independence. By contrast he recalled that Harper once co-authored an open letter urging Alberta to build a "firewall" around the province.
"I have no lessons to receive about being Canadian from Stephen Harper."
This is not the first time the Harper Tories have questioned a rival leader's loyalty to Canada. They launched devastating ads against former Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff, accusing him of "just visiting" because he'd worked for 30 years outside the country.
Mulcair dared the Tories to try the same kind of tactic with him.
"Let them bring it on," he said, predicting the tactic would backfire and send ethnic voters to the NDP.
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OTTAWA — Thomas Mulcair says Stephen Harper's apparent disdain for Canadians who hold dual citizenship has exposed the prime minister's parochial, insular and hypocritical approach to politics. The NDP leadership hopeful went on the attack Tuesday after Harper appeared to question Mulcair's loyalty to Canada.
Mulcair told The Canadian Press he's proud to hold both Canadian and French citizenship.
Mulcair said Harper appears to be implying that Canadians who hold dual citizenship -- some 863,000 of them, according to the 2006 census -- are somehow lesser Canadians or have divided loyalties. "We celebrate our diversity, we have a minister responsible for multiculturalism. But when push comes to shove, if you give him half a chance, the real Stephen Harper comes out (suggesting) 'I'm more Canadian than you are because my family doesn't have a background in different countries,"' Mulcair said.
"It's a reflection of profoundly parochial and insular thinking."
Mulcair said it makes a mockery of the Harper Conservatives' intensive campaign to woo support in ethnic communities, in which many people are likely dual citizens. "I think a lot of the cultural communities who have been so assiduously courted by the Conservatives over the past six years are going to be surprised to learn that the Conservative prime minister believes that you're more Canadian if your family doesn't have a dual background."
Mulcair's wife, Catherine, was born in France and is a citizen of both France and Canada, as are their two children. As the spouse of a French citizen, Mulcair, who was born in Ottawa, was entitled to apply for French citizenship himself.
Mulcair said he did so 20 years ago after an unsettling incident at Spain's Madrid airport, where he was separated for 30 minutes from his wife and two then-young children because he was travelling on a Canadian passport while they had both Canadian and French passports.
"Frankly, it sent a shiver down my spine not to have the same travel documents as my kids and my wife."
Bob Rae, the interim Liberal leader, said Mulcair has every right to seek the NDP leadership and maintain his dual citizenship but noted the irony given Layton's attack on Dion. "I am sure the many thousands of people who hold dual citizenship will remember both the Conservatives and the NDP for their position that they are somehow less Canadian," Rae said in an email.
As far as Liberals are concerned, Rae said "there are no second-class Canadians. Period." And he called on Mulcair to admit Layton was wrong about Dion.
Indeed, Mulcair said he raised the issue with Layton before agreeing to come on board as his Quebec lieutenant in 2007.
"Jack and I talked about it straight up and he told me that literally in so many words ... He said, 'That's not the answer I should have given."'
Mulcair said he's never hidden the fact that he's both a French and Canadian citizen. In fact, the Montreal MP has taken part in news conferences, at the request of the French government, to remind dual citizens that they're entitled to vote in French elections. His wife has actually run as a candidate for French President Nicolas Sarkozy's conservative party. Mulcair said dual citizenship has never been an issue for Quebecers, many of whom are also citizens of France.
"For us, it's just a symbol of the richness of Canada."
Mulcair pointed out that he fought for Canada through two referendums on Quebec independence. By contrast he recalled that Harper once co-authored an open letter urging Alberta to build a "firewall" around the province.
"I have no lessons to receive about being Canadian from Stephen Harper."
This is not the first time the Harper Tories have questioned a rival leader's loyalty to Canada. They launched devastating ads against former Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff, accusing him of "just visiting" because he'd worked for 30 years outside the country.
Mulcair dared the Tories to try the same kind of tactic with him.
"Let them bring it on," he said, predicting the tactic would backfire and send ethnic voters to the NDP.
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It is not undemocratic at all.
SO would you accept the Bloc as the ruling party in Canada?
Limiting who can run for office is undemocratic.
I wouldnt like it, but if they ran outside of Quebec and won enough seats, sure. What are you going to do if a party you dont like wins a government? Coup d'etat?
"Some of my best friends have dual citizenship"
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What a scurrilous issue on which to fixate.
- Spade
What a scurrilous issue on which to fixate.
The Canadian government specifically allows any Canadian citizen to hold citizenship in other countries. There are in fact Canadians that hold citizenship in 2, 3, 4 or even more countries.
And, thanks to the changes to the Citizenship law, there are tens of thousands of people, born to Canadian citizens, that had their Canadian citizenship restored retroactive to the date that their citizenship had been wrongfully taken away from them.
In my case, my Canadian citizenship was taken on Aug 19, 1967 (my 24th birthday), with no notice, no right to appeal, no legal proceeding, nothing at all. It was just taken away, like a wisp of smoke in the breeze. Thankfully, it was restored with the last changes to the Citizenship Law. Legally speaking, I have been a dual Citizen of both the United States of America, and of Canada, since birth.
Now, the legal fight is on to make all of our children Canadian citizens. After all, back in the day, the child of any Canadian citizen born "abroad" was automatically a Canadian citizen. Since my Canadian citizenship (and that of my siblings, as well as tens of thousands of others) never legally lapsed, then any children born to us prior to the new changes should also be Canadian citizens.
This is currently being fought out in the courts, but we WILL prevail.
And, thanks to the changes to the Citizenship law, there are tens of thousands of people, born to Canadian citizens, that had their Canadian citizenship restored retroactive to the date that their citizenship had been wrongfully taken away from them.
In my case, my Canadian citizenship was taken on Aug 19, 1967 (my 24th birthday), with no notice, no right to appeal, no legal proceeding, nothing at all. It was just taken away, like a wisp of smoke in the breeze. Thankfully, it was restored with the last changes to the Citizenship Law. Legally speaking, I have been a dual Citizen of both the United States of America, and of Canada, since birth.
Now, the legal fight is on to make all of our children Canadian citizens. After all, back in the day, the child of any Canadian citizen born "abroad" was automatically a Canadian citizen. Since my Canadian citizenship (and that of my siblings, as well as tens of thousands of others) never legally lapsed, then any children born to us prior to the new changes should also be Canadian citizens.
This is currently being fought out in the courts, but we WILL prevail.
Mulcair doesn't understand this is a very simple issue for the Tories. The Tories don't expressly forbid it, but they don't do it. Few people in Canada have dual citizenship that tears them apart. Mulcair is doing this as some intellectual exercise. Most of us do not feel that way about Canada. We are a little paranoid of a global elite that feel comfortable everywhere. In part because it is false.
When you travel and have trouble with your passport, try to find an embassy called "Global" to assist you. Ain't none of course. No such thing as "Global Citizen" on planet Earth yet.
Its like trying to tell Canadians Mexico is in North America, technically correct perhaps, very inclusive, but most do not agree with this idea.
When you travel and have trouble with your passport, try to find an embassy called "Global" to assist you. Ain't none of course. No such thing as "Global Citizen" on planet Earth yet.
Its like trying to tell Canadians Mexico is in North America, technically correct perhaps, very inclusive, but most do not agree with this idea.