Hamas attacks Israel

[petros]

And it begins.....

Ultra-Orthodox Jews protest after students' arrest over conscription refusal

Ultra-Orthodox Jews clashed with police in Jerusalem on Thursday after two seminary students were arrested by military police for refusing to do military ser...

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[Ron in Regina]

Helped get the U-Haul full & then I loaded up the refuse, & tagged off to the young guys (mid 30’s) to unload the cube-truck as I took the garbage in the opposite direction…

And it begins.....

Dare I ask? Anyway, crazy vid.

The Israeli High Court of Justice ruled in 2002 that refusal to serve was legal on the grounds of unqualified pacifism, but "selective refusal" which accepted some duties and not others was illegal. The court said that allowing selective refusal would "weaken the ties that bind us as a nation". The court also said that the refusal to serve in the territories is selective refusal and not conscientious objection.

Since the founding of the State of Israel in 1948, Haredi Jews have refused to serve in the Israeli military for religious reasons. Typically, they study Torah in Yeshivas, and as such are legally exempt from military service. Also refusing any Israeli military service are people affiliated with various Hasidic anti-Zionist groups (most notably Satmar), the Brisk Yeshivas, and the Neturei Karta. Most of these groups are followers of the Edah HaCharedis. Haredi Jews who avoid military service yet are only part-time yeshiva students, have received criticism from within the Orthodox community.

Refusal to serve in the Israel Defense Forces - Wikipedia

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This is how Israel deals with this situation. For comparison, here’s how Canada deal deals with the same/similar situation:

 

[petros]

Helped get the U-Haul full & then I loaded up the refuse, & tagged off to the young guys to unload the cube-truck as I took the garbage in the opposite direction…
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Dare I ask? Anyway, crazy vid.
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The Israeli High Court of Justice ruled in 2002 that refusal to serve was legal on the grounds of unqualified pacifism, but "selective refusal" which accepted some duties and not others was illegal. The court said that allowing selective refusal would "weaken the ties that bind us as a nation". The court also said that the refusal to serve in the territories is selective refusal and not conscientious objection.

Since the founding of the State of Israel in 1948, Haredi Jews have refused to serve in the Israeli military for religious reasons. Typically, they study Torah in Yeshivas, and as such are legally exempt from military service. Also refusing any Israeli military service are people affiliated with various Hasidic anti-Zionist groups (most notably Satmar), the Brisk Yeshivas, and the Neturei Karta. Most of these groups are followers of the Edah HaCharedis. Haredi Jews who avoid military service yet are only part-time yeshiva students, have received criticism from within the Orthodox community.

Refusal to serve in the Israel Defense Forces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is how Israel deals with this situation. For comparison, here’s how Canada deal deals with the same/similar situation:
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Civil war.

They didn't have to serve until now.

They don't get an education. All they know is the Torah and how to argue the Torah through the Talmud. Zero life skills or social interaction skills.

IDF to summon 50,000 ultra-Orthodox Jews in massive haredi draft push | The Jerusalem Post

All 54,000 ultra-Orthodox Jews eligible for military service will be called on to arrive for actual service by July 2026.

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[petros]

 

[Ron in Regina]

 

[petros]

How optimistic.

The Geneva Conventions and related international humanitarian law address mass movements of civilians during armed conflict, particularly focusing on the prohibition of forced transfers and deportations, and outlining conditions for permissible evacuations.

Key points regarding mass movement of civilians under international law:
Forced Transfers and Deportations are

Prohibited:
The Fourth Geneva Convention (Article 49) explicitly prohibits the forcible transfer or deportation of protected persons (civilians) from occupied territory, regardless of the motive, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC).

Exceptions for Evacuations:
While forced transfers are generally forbidden, the Geneva Conventions allow for the evacuation of civilians under specific, limited circumstances.

Imperative Military Reasons:
Evacuations are permitted when dictated by "imperative military reasons" or if the safety of the civilian population requires it according to The Practical Guide to Humanitarian Law.

Conditions for Permissible Evacuations:
Any evacuation must be temporary, and the population must be returned as soon as hostilities cease in the area.

Obligation to Facilitate Return:
Parties to a conflict are obligated to ensure the safe and dignified return of civilians to their homes as soon as possible after the situation allows.

Individual vs. Collective Responsibility:
The Geneva Conventions emphasize individual responsibility for violations of international law, and collective punishment (punishing an entire group for the actions of a few) is prohibited.

Consequences of Violations:
Forcible transfer or deportation is considered a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions, meaning that individuals alleged to have committed such acts are subject to prosecution.

Grave Breaches:
Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions include, but are not limited to, wilful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments, wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement of a protected person, compelling a protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile Power, or wilfully depriving a protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial.

 

[petros]

How optimistic.

The Geneva Conventions and related international humanitarian law address mass movements of civilians during armed conflict, particularly focusing on the prohibition of forced transfers and deportations, and outlining conditions for permissible evacuations.

Key points regarding mass movement of civilians under international law:
Forced Transfers and Deportations are

Prohibited:
The Fourth Geneva Convention (Article 49) explicitly prohibits the forcible transfer or deportation of protected persons (civilians) from occupied territory, regardless of the motive, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC).

Exceptions for Evacuations:
While forced transfers are generally forbidden, the Geneva Conventions allow for the evacuation of civilians under specific, limited circumstances.

Imperative Military Reasons:
Evacuations are permitted when dictated by "imperative military reasons" or if the safety of the civilian population requires it according to The Practical Guide to Humanitarian Law.

Conditions for Permissible Evacuations:
Any evacuation must be temporary, and the population must be returned as soon as hostilities cease in the area.

Obligation to Facilitate Return:
Parties to a conflict are obligated to ensure the safe and dignified return of civilians to their homes as soon as possible after the situation allows.

Individual vs. Collective Responsibility:
The Geneva Conventions emphasize individual responsibility for violations of international law, and collective punishment (punishing an entire group for the actions of a few) is prohibited.

Consequences of Violations:
Forcible transfer or deportation is considered a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions, meaning that individuals alleged to have committed such acts are subject to prosecution.

Grave Breaches:
Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions include, but are not limited to, wilful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments, wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement of a protected person, compelling a protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile Power, or wilfully depriving a protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial.

To be legal they have to abandon occupation of where they are sending the people.

This is another war crime.

 

[Ron in Regina]

To be legal

??? Really? What about this whole goat rodeo is legal??? Just about everything you’ve sited in post #5786 is being violated by all sides in this….whatever you wanna call it. I can’t even say “both” ‘cuz there’s more than two it appears.

This is another war crime.

No lack of those on all sides. What about war isn’t criminal to someone?


Etc……Why in hell did Gaza need 36 hospitals for a population of 2 million people, with most of those connected with a billion dollar tunnel system? 36 pre Oct 7 2023? Why not 3 or 6 larger ones? Less opportunities with a few larger ones of propaganda scores for Hamas.



(Jesus….who isn’t doing this?)
…is restricted, such as when there are well-founded reasons to believe the aid will be diverted or used for military purposes. However, such restrictions must be proportionate and not lead to the denial of essential humanitarian assistance to civilians, etc…

 

[petros]

??? Really? What about this whole goat rodeo is legal??? Just about everything you’ve sited in post #5786 is being violated by all sides in this….whatever you wanna call it. I can’t even say “both” ‘cuz there’s more than two it appears.

No lack of those on all sides. What about war isn’t criminal to someone?
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Etc……Why in hell did Gaza need 36 hospitals for a population of 2 million people, with most of those connected with a billion dollar tunnel system? 36 pre Oct 7 2023? Why not 3 or 6 larger ones? Less opportunities with a few larger ones of propaganda scores for Hamas.

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(Jesus….who isn’t doing this?)
…is restricted, such as when there are well-founded reasons to believe the aid will be diverted or used for military purposes. However, such restrictions must be proportionate and not lead to the denial of essential humanitarian assistance to civilians, etc…

How many little girls are in Netanyahu’s Hamas?

 

[Ron in Regina]

How many little girls are in Netanyahu’s Hamas?

Sorry…what? Wanna try that with some veritable details so nobody (including myself) has to guess at what you’re alluding to? This one of those Muslims marrying six year olds things like their Prophet Moe? Even the Taliban bumped up the “Marrying” age for girls to nine years old recently. Children abducted from Israel Oct 7th? Something else?

 

[Serryah]

Civil war.

They didn't have to serve until now.

They don't get an education. All they know is the Torah and how to argue the Torah through the Talmud. Zero life skills or social interaction skills.

IDF to summon 50,000 ultra-Orthodox Jews in massive haredi draft push | The Jerusalem Post

All 54,000 ultra-Orthodox Jews eligible for military service will be called on to arrive for actual service by July 2026.

www.jpost.com

And THIS was 2 weeks ago.

Israeli Teens Burn Draft Papers in Defiance of Army Service

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GOOD FOR THEM.

 

[petros]

Sorry…what? Wanna try that with some veritable details so nobody (including myself) has to guess at what you’re alluding to? This one of those Muslims marrying six year olds things like their Prophet Moe? Even the Taliban bumped up the “Marrying” age for girls to nine years old recently. Children abducted from Israel Oct 7th? Something else?

How many little girls are in Hamas is pretty straightforward.

 

[petros]

And THIS was 2 weeks ago.

Israeli Teens Burn Draft Papers in Defiance of Army Service

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GOOD FOR THEM.

Apparently the IDF has suffered 10,000 casualties. I wouldn't butcher babies on the altar of Zionism either when my friends are coming home fucked up alcoholic junkies and blowing their heads off in droves.

Bibi is torturing the young who aren't in one of the death cults.

 

[Ron in Regina]

How many little girls are in Hamas is pretty straightforward.

Like…as combat soldiers? As…daughters of Hamas leaders? Does Hamas have their own version of the Girl Guides kinda like Hitlers Boy Scouts Youth? Might be straightforward in your own mind but…

 

[petros]

Like…as combat soldiers? As…daughters of Hamas leaders? Does Hamas have their own version of the Girl Guides kinda like Hitlers Boy Scouts Youth? Might be straightforward in your own mind but…

As Hamas. If Israel is defending itself from Hamas those 6000 dead little girls must be Hamas correct?

 

[Ron in Regina]

As Hamas. If Israel is defending itself from Hamas those 6000 dead little girls must be Hamas correct?

Vague but close enough. At least I can figure out where you’re going here now. These would be 6000 little girls in Gaza that Hamas would be hiding amongst or under as human shields for propaganda fodder or something else you’re implying?

This would be positively shitty, and assumably not only expected but counted on in the planning stages leading up to Oct 7th then? Dutifully tallied up by the Hamas Gaza Health Authority for disseminated and unverified release to the western media for non-propaganda purposes? Something like that?

Who benefits from a high civilian casualty count in Gaza? Would that be Israel? Maybe the United States? The Palestinians themselves? Perhaps somebody else? What %’age of those civilian casualties aren’t civilian casualties? What does the Gaza Health Ministry Authority Whatever say about that…& why?

 

[petros]

Vague but close enough. At least I can figure out where you’re going here now. These would be 6000 little girls in Gaza that Hamas would be hiding amongst or under as human shields for propaganda fodder or something else you’re implying?

This would be positively shitty, and assumably not only expected but counted on in the planning stages leading up to Oct 7th then? Dutifully tallied up by the Hamas Gaza Health Authority for disseminated and unverified release to the western media for non-propaganda purposes? Something like that?

Who benefits from a high civilian casualty count in Gaza? Would that be Israel? Maybe the United States? The Palestinians themselves? Perhaps somebody else? What %’age of those civilian casualties aren’t civilian casualties? What does the Gaza Health Ministry Authority Whatever say about that…& why?

Human shields my ass. If a murderer runs into an apartment block do you bomb the whole apartment and 3 more surrounding it with a 2000lb bomb? Even if he's running down the street the same 4 buildings get levelled.

Palestinian doctors and nurses are long dead. It's been international doctors nurses and support staff and intergovernmental agencies for well over a year keeping your blessed death toll. Hamas Health Authority isn't Qassam Brigade. It's vetted.

You really don't know WTF is going on there do you? You just repeat the same propaganda over and over and over and over.

Why?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Human shields my ass. If a murderer runs into an apartment block do you bomb the whole apartment and 3 more surrounding it with a 2000lb bombs?

Is that what happened? Kind of an oversimplified yet poor analogy. Really minimizes the actions of Hamas or overdoes the reactions of Israel in your hypothetical scenario.

Palestinian doctors and nurses are long dead. It's been international agencies for well-versed a year keeping you blessed death toll.

All of them? Every Dr & Nurse in Gaza pre Oct 7th? That’s some pretty crazy stats. That come from the Gaza Health Ministry? They actually tracked doctors & nurses vs civilians? Didn’t think they did that sorta thing.

You really don't know WTF is going on there do you? You just repeat the same propaganda over and over and over and over.

Why?

Everything anyone says, regardless of what or where from or posted links, etc…on this topic, if it doesn’t correspond to your beliefs, is propaganda. Many beyond yourself have also had a crash course on that neighbourhood in the last 2 years-ish, and yours isn’t the only option on the subject when everything is weighed and measured, etc…

 

[petros]

Is that what happened? Kind of an oversimplified yet poor analogy. Really minimizes the actions of Hamas or overdoes the reactions of Israel in your hypothetical scenario.

All of them? Every Dr & Nurse in Gaza pre Oct 7th? That’s some pretty crazy stats. That come from the Gaza Health Ministry? They actually tracked doctors & nurses vs civilians? Didn’t think they did that sorta thing.

Everything anyone says, regardless of what or where from or posted links, etc…on this topic, if it doesn’t correspond to your beliefs, is propaganda. Many beyond yourself have also had a crash course on that neighbourhood in the last 2 years-ish, and yours isn’t the only option on the subject when everything is weighed and measured, etc…

Who is using human shields at aid distribution centers?

Get a link. There are thousands out there.

It's not what I think. It's what WE think. Myself and the billions of other dirty diseased Goyim that are fucking disgusted with what's going on.

It's not Oct 7 anymore. It's never coming back.

 

[petros]

A 2000lb bomb, like the MK-84, has a blast radius that can cause severe injury and damage to infrastructure up to 800 meters (approximately 2600 feet) away. Its lethal fragmentation radius, where death or serious injury is likely, is typically around 365 meters (1200 feet).

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Lethal Fragmentation Radius:
  This is the area where the bomb's fragments (shrapnel) are likely to cause fatal or severe injuries. For a 2000lb bomb, this radius is generally considered to be around 365 meters.
  
  
• Blast Radius:
  The blast wave from a 2000lb bomb can cause severe injury and damage to structures at a much greater distance. This radius is typically around 800 meters.
  
  
• Crater Size:
  The explosion can create a crater up to 15 meters (50 feet) wide and 11 meters (36 feet) deep, according to Wikipedia.

Human shields..... Safe Zone 11 months ago. About as safe as an aid station today but it's cheaper to just livestream shooting the women and kids as they beg for food to get likes on facebook in Jerusalem.

What bombs did Israel use against the al-Mawasi ‘safe zone’ in Gaza?

Al Jazeera’s verification agency has suggested the Israeli army used the powerful MK-84 against the tented settlement.

www.aljazeera.com