Hamas attacks Israel

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Meanwhile in Poland on the Med...

Israeli defence minister plans to move Gaza's population to camp in Rafah

Ione Wells & David Gritten
BBC News

Jerusalem
8 July 2025
Israel's defence minister says he has instructed its military to prepare a plan to move all Palestinians in Gaza into a camp in the south of the territory, Israeli media reports say.

Israel Katz told journalists on Monday he wanted to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of the city of Rafah to initially house about 600,000 Palestinians - and eventually the whole 2.1 million population.

He said the goal was to bring people inside after security screening to ensure they were not Hamas operatives, and that they would not be allowed to leave.

If conditions allowed, he added, construction would begin during a 60-day ceasefire that Israel and Hamas are trying to negotiate.

One Israeli human rights lawyer condemned it as nothing less than an "operational plan for a crime against humanity".

"It is all about population transfer to the southern tip of the Gaza Strip in preparation for deportation outside the strip," Michael Sfard told the Guardian newspaper.

The UN has also previously warned that the deportation or forcible transfer of an occupied territory's civilian population is strictly prohibited under international humanitarian law and "tantamount to ethnic cleansing".

There was no immediate comment from the Palestinian Authority or Hamas.

Later on Monday, during a meeting at the White House, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke about US President Donald Trump's proposal that the US take over post-war Gaza and permanently resettle its population elsewhere.

Netanyahu said: "I think President Trump has a brilliant vision. It's called free choice. If people want to stay, they can stay, but if they want to leave, they should be able to leave...

"We're working with the United States very closely about finding countries that will seek to realise what they always say - that they wanted to give the Palestinians a better future."

Trump said: "We've had great co-operation from... surrounding countries, great cooperation from every single one of them. So, something good will happen."

In March, Arab states backed a $53bn (£39bn) Egyptian alternative to Trump's plan for Gaza's reconstruction that would allow the Palestinians living there to stay in place.

They also stressed their "categorical rejection of any form of displacement of the Palestinian people", describing such an idea as "a gross violation of international law, a crime against humanity and ethnic cleansing".

The Palestinian Authority and Hamas also endorsed the Egyptian plan, but the US and Israel said it failed to address realities in Gaza.

Palestinians fear a repeat of the Nakba - the Arabic word for "catastrophe" - when hundreds of thousands fled or were driven from their homes before and during the war that followed the creation of the State of Israel in 1948.

Many of those refugees ended up in Gaza, where they and their descendants make up three-quarters of the population. Another 900,000 registered refugees live in the occupied West Bank, while 3.4 million others live in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, according to the UN.

The Israeli military launched a campaign to destroy Hamas in response to an unprecedented cross-border attack on 7 October 2023, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 were taken hostage.

More than 57,500 people have been killed in Gaza since then, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry.

Most of Gaza's population has also been displaced multiple times. More than 90% of homes are estimated to be damaged or destroyed; the healthcare, water, sanitation and hygiene systems have collapsed; and there are shortages of food, fuel, medicine and shelter.
 

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Hmmmmm

Warsaw Ghetto

In October 1940, German officials decreed the establishment of a ghetto in Warsaw. The decree required all Jewish residents of Warsaw to move into a designated area, which German authorities sealed off from the rest of the city in November 1940. The ghetto was enclosed by a wall that was over 10 feet high, topped with barbed wire, and closely guarded to prevent movement between the ghetto and the rest of Warsaw. The population of the ghetto, increased by Jews compelled to move in from nearby towns, was estimated to be over 400,000 Jews. German authorities forced ghetto residents to live in an area of 1.3 square miles, with an average of 7.2 persons per room.

 

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Israeli report accuses Hamas of using sexual violence as a weapon of war on Oct. 7
Author of the article:Associated Press
Associated Press
Tia Goldenberg
Published Jul 08, 2025 • 3 minute read

TEL AVIV, Israel — An Israeli report released Tuesday said that Hamas used sexual violence as a “tactical weapon of war” in its Oct. 7, 2023, attacks, building on other investigations by international and Israeli rights groups and the United Nations into the militant group’s assault.


The report by the Dinah Project, a team of legal and gender experts, based its findings on survivor and witness testimonies, accounts from first responders, and forensic, visual and audio evidence. It called for a shift in how conflict-related sexual violence is prosecuted, saying Hamas silenced its victims by killing them, robbing investigators of key evidence to hold the perpetrators to account.


“Most victims were permanently silenced — either murdered during or after the assaults or remain too traumatized to talk _ creating unique evidentiary challenges,” the report said, calling for a more tailored legal approach to conflict-related sexual violence.

The report comes as Israel and Hamas are negotiating a ceasefire for the 21-month war in Gaza, which began with the militants’ surprise cross-border raid. The deal would pause the fighting in the Palestinian territory and release some of the remaining 50 hostages, more than half whom are said to be dead.


Accounts of sexual violence from hostages and witnesses
The report said it relied on dozens of accounts, including from one survivor of attempted rape at a music festival, 15 returned hostages, 17 witnesses and multiple first responders.

In some cases, the Dinah Project carried out its own interviews, while in others it relied on publicly available testimony or published accounts.

Citing accounts in Israeli and international media, it said 15 former hostages either experienced or witnessed some form of sexual assault which included physical sexual violence, forced nudity, verbal sexual harassment and threats of forced marriage. Two male hostages said they faced forced nudity and physical abuse when naked.


The report said witness accounts indicated at least 15 separate cases of sexual assault, including at least four instances of gang rape.

The report said its findings showed patterns in the sexual assaults that were committed, including victims found partially or fully naked with their hands tied, evidence of gang rape followed by killing, genital mutilation and public humiliation, indicating they were intentionally used as a weapon of war.

Report builds on other accusations of sexual violence by Hamas
A Hamas official did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the new report. Hamas has previously denied claims that its forces carried out sexual violence on Oct. 7, 2023, when militants stormed into Israel, killing 1,200 people and taking 251 hostage.


In a report last year, the United Nations said there were “reasonable grounds” to believe Hamas committed rape, “sexualized torture,” and other cruel and inhumane treatment of women during its attack.

In issuing arrest warrants for three Hamas leaders who were eventually killed by Israel, the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court said they bore responsibility for “rape and other acts of sexual violence as crimes against humanity” during the Oct. 7 attack.

Report urges a new approach to prosecuting sexual violence in conflict
The report recommended that conflict-related sexual violence should be treated differently from regular sexual crimes to allow for evidence that doesn’t primarily rely on testimony from victims, to account for “the systematic silencing of victims.”

It called for different forms of evidence to be admitted in any prosecution of conflict-related violence. It said joint criminal responsibility should be applied to all participants in the attack, rather than trying to link individual perpetrators to specific acts and victims.

This approach would create “a pathway to justice for victims of the Oct. 7 attack and potentially for victims in other conflict zones,” the report said.

— Associated Press writer Fatma Khaled in Cairo contributed to this report.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
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Or it’s someone thinking outside of the 77yr old box trying to find a solution because what’s been happening isn’t working? At least it’s new, and maybe part of the solution if not adopted directly.
Well, in the repetitious repetition of this goat rodeo, without something new like the above, they can just continue repeating the same old shit, because that’s been so successful.

This is from, I think, Oct 10-ish, 2023:
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For the third time since U.S. President Donald Trump’s inauguration, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has travelled to Washington, D.C., for what is certain to be a few days of very intense discussions and negotiations.

Expectations by all parties are high. The president has been clear that he would like to announce a big peace deal by the end of the week — even if it’s just a partial deal, meaning that some Hamas hostages remain in their underground torture chambers, indefinitely, along with the bodies of murdered Israelis.

But at what cost? Hamas, which is said by military analysts to be nearing the point of collapse, has lost control of much of the territory of Gaza, along with the food supply. Its cash reserves are depleted, and the organization is unable to pay most of its workers — whether fighters or those employed in civilian capacities.

Responding late on Monday to the joint American-Israeli proposal for a partial ceasefire and hostage-release deal, Hamas added some new conditions that it knows Israel will not accept.

Each party has its red lines. Hamas is determined to remain in power. Whether it’s a bankrupt government loathed by the civilian population is unimportant to Hamas’s leadership. They must survive this almost two-year war against the greatest military power in the region. That, for them, would be a victory.
The sheikhs' written proposal states that "The Emirate of Hebron shall recognize the State of Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people, and the State of Israel shall recognize the Emirate of Hebron as the Representative of the Arab residents in the Hebron District." This recognition goes substantially beyond any previous Palestinian Authority position and completely abandons the rejectionist stance that has characterized Palestinian leadership for generations.
Oh well. Israel, of course, is firmly entrenched at the opposite end of that spectrum, having made clear that the destruction of Hamas is a paramount goal of this war. Exactly what that overused phrase means is unclear. “Total victory” has become Netanyahu’s mantra.
The letter explicitly pledges "zero tolerance" for terrorism by workers, creating a stark contrast with "the current situation in which the Palestinian Authority pays tributes to the terrorists," according to The Wall Street Journal. This anti-terrorism commitment represents a fundamental shift from the Palestinian Authority's controversial payments to families of individuals who commit attacks against Israelis.
He (Bibi) is also facing intense domestic pressure to finally bring all the hostages home — at once. No more of these torturous, staggered releases. Domestic pressure in Israel on this issue is explosive. The continued captivity of hostages is a humiliation, and one that Hamas exploits brilliantly. The hostages are Hamas’s most powerful weapon with which to strike Israel.
"Organizations like the PLO and Hamas try to construct their legitimacy on Jew-hatred and hatred of Israel. But the clans are legitimate by definition," Kedar explained. "They don't need an external enemy to frighten everybody to come under the aegis of an illegitimate ruler."
In a pre-dinner chat at the White House on Monday night — with the press in attendance — Netanyahu made clear that he would not accept a Palestinian state that could in any way harm Israel militarily.

…& here we are, again, still…Hamas is also standing firm on its demand that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation should no longer be allowed to control the distribution of humanitarian aid within the Strip. Israel is unbending on that issue, as the previous system allowed Hamas to pilfer aid, strengthening it significantly. Food, in the Strip, is power.
By the end of this week, Trump wants a deal. A big, beautiful deal that will usher in a significant expansion of the Abraham Accords, perhaps announcing that negotiations will include Lebanon and Syria, which would be groundbreaking.

The jewel in the Middle Eastern crown — Saudi Arabia — will likely hold back, as it has indicated consistently. The Saudis will condition their embrace of a new Middle East security and economic order on the end of the war between Israel and Hamas, & what would actually bring an end to the war between Israel and Hamas?

No one in the region — aside from Iran, Hezbollah and, one has to assume, Qatar — is keen to see Hamas survive. Qatar, of course, is friends with both the United States and Hamas — hosting the largest U.S. military base in the region, while financing and providing a home base to the terrorist organization’s leadership in Doha.

With the flick of a wrist, Qatar could take down Hamas. It has not done so. So we continue with this absurd situation: the battered Hamas terrorist force, which is ideologically committed to the destruction of Israel, is left holding these very powerful aces — holocaustages.
 

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Well, in the repetitious repetition of this goat rodeo, without something new like the above, they can just continue repeating the same old shit, because that’s being so successful.
As it says on the shampoo bottle, "Lather, rinse, repeat."

If it's good enough for Clairol, it's good enough for the Middle East.
 

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Well, in the repetitious repetition of this goat rodeo, without something new like the above, they can just continue repeating the same old shit, because that’s been so successful.

This is from, I think, Oct 10-ish, 2023:
View attachment 29930
For the third time since U.S. President Donald Trump’s inauguration, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has travelled to Washington, D.C., for what is certain to be a few days of very intense discussions and negotiations.

Expectations by all parties are high. The president has been clear that he would like to announce a big peace deal by the end of the week — even if it’s just a partial deal, meaning that some Hamas hostages remain in their underground torture chambers, indefinitely, along with the bodies of murdered Israelis.

But at what cost? Hamas, which is said by military analysts to be nearing the point of collapse, has lost control of much of the territory of Gaza, along with the food supply. Its cash reserves are depleted, and the organization is unable to pay most of its workers — whether fighters or those employed in civilian capacities.

Responding late on Monday to the joint American-Israeli proposal for a partial ceasefire and hostage-release deal, Hamas added some new conditions that it knows Israel will not accept.

Each party has its red lines. Hamas is determined to remain in power. Whether it’s a bankrupt government loathed by the civilian population is unimportant to Hamas’s leadership. They must survive this almost two-year war against the greatest military power in the region. That, for them, would be a victory.

Oh well. Israel, of course, is firmly entrenched at the opposite end of that spectrum, having made clear that the destruction of Hamas is a paramount goal of this war. Exactly what that overused phrase means is unclear. “Total victory” has become Netanyahu’s mantra.

He (Bibi) is also facing intense domestic pressure to finally bring all the hostages home — at once. No more of these torturous, staggered releases. Domestic pressure in Israel on this issue is explosive. The continued captivity of hostages is a humiliation, and one that Hamas exploits brilliantly. The hostages are Hamas’s most powerful weapon with which to strike Israel.

In a pre-dinner chat at the White House on Monday night — with the press in attendance — Netanyahu made clear that he would not accept a Palestinian state that could in any way harm Israel militarily.

…& here we are, again, still…Hamas is also standing firm on its demand that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation should no longer be allowed to control the distribution of humanitarian aid within the Strip. Israel is unbending on that issue, as the previous system allowed Hamas to pilfer aid, strengthening it significantly. Food, in the Strip, is power.
By the end of this week, Trump wants a deal. A big, beautiful deal that will usher in a significant expansion of the Abraham Accords, perhaps announcing that negotiations will include Lebanon and Syria, which would be groundbreaking.

The jewel in the Middle Eastern crown — Saudi Arabia — will likely hold back, as it has indicated consistently. The Saudis will condition their embrace of a new Middle East security and economic order on the end of the war between Israel and Hamas, & what would actually bring an end to the war between Israel and Hamas?

No one in the region — aside from Iran, Hezbollah and, one has to assume, Qatar — is keen to see Hamas survive. Qatar, of course, is friends with both the United States and Hamas — hosting the largest U.S. military base in the region, while financing and providing a home base to the terrorist organization’s leadership in Doha.

With the flick of a wrist, Qatar could take down Hamas. It has not done so. So we continue with this absurd situation: the battered Hamas terrorist force, which is ideologically committed to the destruction of Israel, is left holding these very powerful aces — holocaustages.
Maybe a full on Democratic Nation of Palestine is a better idea than concentration camps and illegal settlements in West Bank, Lebanon and Syria?
 

Ron in Regina

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Maybe a full on Democratic Nation of Palestine is a better idea than concentration camps and illegal settlements in West Bank, Lebanon and Syria?
Where/Why do you think this is going to lead to concentration camps? Just curious how the current status quo is better than something new? Maybe something is better than the same old nothing for the last 77 years?
(YouTube & Palestinians on a ‘one-way path to misery’ if they continue to deny Israel’s existence)

You’d prefer the democratically elected Hamas or the P.A. instead?
 

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Well, in the repetitious repetition of this goat rodeo, without something new like the above, they can just continue repeating the same old shit, because that’s been so successful.

This is from, I think, Oct 10-ish, 2023:
View attachment 29930
For the third time since U.S. President Donald Trump’s inauguration, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has travelled to Washington, D.C., for what is certain to be a few days of very intense discussions and negotiations.

Expectations by all parties are high. The president has been clear that he would like to announce a big peace deal by the end of the week — even if it’s just a partial deal, meaning that some Hamas hostages remain in their underground torture chambers, indefinitely, along with the bodies of murdered Israelis.

But at what cost? Hamas, which is said by military analysts to be nearing the point of collapse, has lost control of much of the territory of Gaza, along with the food supply. Its cash reserves are depleted, and the organization is unable to pay most of its workers — whether fighters or those employed in civilian capacities.

Responding late on Monday to the joint American-Israeli proposal for a partial ceasefire and hostage-release deal, Hamas added some new conditions that it knows Israel will not accept.

Each party has its red lines. Hamas is determined to remain in power. Whether it’s a bankrupt government loathed by the civilian population is unimportant to Hamas’s leadership. They must survive this almost two-year war against the greatest military power in the region. That, for them, would be a victory.

Oh well. Israel, of course, is firmly entrenched at the opposite end of that spectrum, having made clear that the destruction of Hamas is a paramount goal of this war. Exactly what that overused phrase means is unclear. “Total victory” has become Netanyahu’s mantra.

He (Bibi) is also facing intense domestic pressure to finally bring all the hostages home — at once. No more of these torturous, staggered releases. Domestic pressure in Israel on this issue is explosive. The continued captivity of hostages is a humiliation, and one that Hamas exploits brilliantly. The hostages are Hamas’s most powerful weapon with which to strike Israel.

In a pre-dinner chat at the White House on Monday night — with the press in attendance — Netanyahu made clear that he would not accept a Palestinian state that could in any way harm Israel militarily.

…& here we are, again, still…Hamas is also standing firm on its demand that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation should no longer be allowed to control the distribution of humanitarian aid within the Strip. Israel is unbending on that issue, as the previous system allowed Hamas to pilfer aid, strengthening it significantly. Food, in the Strip, is power.
By the end of this week, Trump wants a deal. A big, beautiful deal that will usher in a significant expansion of the Abraham Accords, perhaps announcing that negotiations will include Lebanon and Syria, which would be groundbreaking.

The jewel in the Middle Eastern crown — Saudi Arabia — will likely hold back, as it has indicated consistently. The Saudis will condition their embrace of a new Middle East security and economic order on the end of the war between Israel and Hamas, & what would actually bring an end to the war between Israel and Hamas?

No one in the region — aside from Iran, Hezbollah and, one has to assume, Qatar — is keen to see Hamas survive. Qatar, of course, is friends with both the United States and Hamas — hosting the largest U.S. military base in the region, while financing and providing a home base to the terrorist organization’s leadership in Doha.

With the flick of a wrist, Qatar could take down Hamas. It has not done so. So we continue with this absurd situation: the battered Hamas terrorist force, which is ideologically committed to the destruction of Israel, is left holding these very powerful aces — holocaustages.
It's Qatars fault IDF can't beat Hamas? Israel has been holding 2.1M people hostage for 28 years and now they want to put them in a concentration camp?


Gees, what if after 28 years there is an uprising? Then what happens?
 

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Israeli report accuses Hamas of using sexual violence as a weapon of war on Oct. 7
Author of the article:Associated Press
Associated Press
Tia Goldenberg
Published Jul 08, 2025 • 3 minute read

TEL AVIV, Israel — An Israeli report released Tuesday said that Hamas used sexual violence as a “tactical weapon of war” in its Oct. 7, 2023, attacks, building on other investigations by international and Israeli rights groups and the United Nations into the militant group’s assault.


The report by the Dinah Project, a team of legal and gender experts, based its findings on survivor and witness testimonies, accounts from first responders, and forensic, visual and audio evidence. It called for a shift in how conflict-related sexual violence is prosecuted, saying Hamas silenced its victims by killing them, robbing investigators of key evidence to hold the perpetrators to account.


“Most victims were permanently silenced — either murdered during or after the assaults or remain too traumatized to talk _ creating unique evidentiary challenges,” the report said, calling for a more tailored legal approach to conflict-related sexual violence.

The report comes as Israel and Hamas are negotiating a ceasefire for the 21-month war in Gaza, which began with the militants’ surprise cross-border raid. The deal would pause the fighting in the Palestinian territory and release some of the remaining 50 hostages, more than half whom are said to be dead.


Accounts of sexual violence from hostages and witnesses
The report said it relied on dozens of accounts, including from one survivor of attempted rape at a music festival, 15 returned hostages, 17 witnesses and multiple first responders.

In some cases, the Dinah Project carried out its own interviews, while in others it relied on publicly available testimony or published accounts.

Citing accounts in Israeli and international media, it said 15 former hostages either experienced or witnessed some form of sexual assault which included physical sexual violence, forced nudity, verbal sexual harassment and threats of forced marriage. Two male hostages said they faced forced nudity and physical abuse when naked.


The report said witness accounts indicated at least 15 separate cases of sexual assault, including at least four instances of gang rape.

The report said its findings showed patterns in the sexual assaults that were committed, including victims found partially or fully naked with their hands tied, evidence of gang rape followed by killing, genital mutilation and public humiliation, indicating they were intentionally used as a weapon of war.

Report builds on other accusations of sexual violence by Hamas
A Hamas official did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the new report. Hamas has previously denied claims that its forces carried out sexual violence on Oct. 7, 2023, when militants stormed into Israel, killing 1,200 people and taking 251 hostage.


In a report last year, the United Nations said there were “reasonable grounds” to believe Hamas committed rape, “sexualized torture,” and other cruel and inhumane treatment of women during its attack.

In issuing arrest warrants for three Hamas leaders who were eventually killed by Israel, the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court said they bore responsibility for “rape and other acts of sexual violence as crimes against humanity” during the Oct. 7 attack.

Report urges a new approach to prosecuting sexual violence in conflict
The report recommended that conflict-related sexual violence should be treated differently from regular sexual crimes to allow for evidence that doesn’t primarily rely on testimony from victims, to account for “the systematic silencing of victims.”

It called for different forms of evidence to be admitted in any prosecution of conflict-related violence. It said joint criminal responsibility should be applied to all participants in the attack, rather than trying to link individual perpetrators to specific acts and victims.

This approach would create “a pathway to justice for victims of the Oct. 7 attack and potentially for victims in other conflict zones,” the report said.

— Associated Press writer Fatma Khaled in Cairo contributed to this report.
80 babies stuffed in an oven....
 

Ron in Regina

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The IDF could’ve gone in indiscriminately and done what you say they’ve done, inside of two weeks, but they didn’t, and that’s why this is dragged on for almost 2 years now.
Yeah, well, 75 years of being surrounded by hostile neighbours bent on your destruction has made Israel a little brutal. Israel's not guiltless either of course, I think its behaviour in the West Bank in particular is unconscionable, but it does draw humanitarian lines its enemies do not. It doesn't use suicide bombers or human shields or deliberately attack civilians, but collateral damage in a place as densely populated as Gaza is unavoidable. And Hamas et al know they're going to get thunderous reprisals, Israel's always done that, which will just create more collateral damage they can point to as Israeli atrocities.
80 babies stuffed in an oven....
What?
And they must know that Israel with U.S. help could send Gaza back into the Stone Age in short order if it chose to. That U.S. carrier task force on its way to the eastern Mediterranean could probably do it in a couple of leisurely afternoons. The fact that it hasn't chosen to speaks well of its restraint, restraint that its neighbours would not show if they had the power to do what they want, which is simply to utterly destroy Israel, the Hamas charter at least is quite clear about that. Both sides claim the land was promised to them by a deity and it's the parties of gawd who are preventing the obvious two state solution. They've done it before.
Anyway…Israel & the IDF didn’t, and here we are still trying to find a solution to this ongoing goat rodeo with the latest chapter starting October 7th, 2023 etc…
 

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80 babies stuffed in an oven....
Wow…have you tried just googling some of your claims like, “80 babies stuffed in an oven…” just to see what results you get? I don’t know where you come up with this stuff.

Yes, I have read of a claim of a baby being put in an oven in front of the parents on Oct 7th, but wow…
You have some. . . interesting. . . recipes up there in Saskatucky.