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Hamas is currently holding roughly 240 hostages. Many of the hostages are believed to be from foreign countries, including about a dozen Americans. Hamas released four hostages after earlier negotiations arbitrated by Qatar.

Qatar is a key financial backer and ally of the Palestinian militant organization Hamas. Qatar has transferred more than $1.8 billion to Hamas.

In 2012, Qatar has hosted the Hamas party leadership when Hamas head Khaled Meshalrelocated from Syria to Qatar. The current head of Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh, has resided in Doha since 2016.

A deal between Israel and the militant group Hamas to release some hostages could be reached in the coming days, though no terms have been finalized yet, according to several U.S. officials.

"We think that we are closer than we have been, perhaps at any point since these negotiations began weeks ago," U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor Jonathan Finer said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union."

Officials have been tight-lipped when speaking publicly on the hostage negotiations, due to the sensitive and malleable nature of the talks. They have made it clear, however, that nothing has been decidedly settled.

Following the Hamas surprise attack on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, and the outbreak of the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, Qatar's hosting of the Hamas political office in Doha has come under greater scrutiny. Speaking to the media in Doha alongside Qatar's Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed Bin Abdulrahman al-Thani, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said "there can be no more business as usual with Hamas."

Hamas is currently holding roughly 240 hostages. Many of the hostages are believed to be from foreign countries, including about a dozen Americans. Hamas released four hostages after earlier negotiations arbitrated by Qatar.

The timeline for the deal appears to have become a matter of hours and days, not weeks.

Israeli ambassador Michael Herzog said on ABC's "This Week" that "a significant number of hostages" could be free "in the coming days." "The less we go into the details, the better the chances of such a deal, but they are very serious efforts," Herzog said.

Qatari Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed Bin Abdulrahman al-Thani said at a Sunday press conference that many of the major points of contention have been worked through in the hostage deal and all that is left is to settle logistical terms.

Negotiations have been stalled at different points over the past few weeks. For example, in late October, the discussions broke down after Hamas refused to cooperate until Israel allowed fuel to come into Gaza….for the hospitals right? To power the generators to power the infants incubators? Right?

Finer said Sunday on ABC's "This Week" that the deal would "certainly" lead to the release of "more than dozens" of hostages? More than dozens?

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly said that Israel will not begin to consider a cease-fire until all of Hamas' hostages have been released.

With the current work-in-progress deal, Israel is only considering a temporary pause in attacks that would allow for the safe passage of the released hostages, not a wholesale cease-fire. Israeli officials including Netanyahu and Herzog have rebuffed those calls, claiming that a cease-fire would allow Hamas to regroup and restore their resources to launch another attack against Israel.

The Israeli military has released footage which it says shows hostages being taken into Gaza's largest hospital after the deadly Hamas attacks of 7 October.

A military spokesman said one of them - a soldier - was murdered there.

Cpl Noa Marciano, 19, was killed after being taken into al-Shifa hospital with minor injuries, he said.

"This morning we updated Noa's family that according to our findings, she was kidnapped to a safe house near Shifa," Rear Adm Daniel Hagari, IDF chief spokesperson told reporters.

"During IDF air strikes in the area, the Hamas terrorist who was holding Noa was killed and she was wounded in the air strike, but not a life-threatening injury. Noa was taken inside Shifa hospital, where she was murdered by another Hamas terrorist."

Hamas has previously claimed Ms Marciano was killed in an Israeli air strike, which the IDF said occurred on 9 November.

Rear Adm Hagari then played CCTV footage which he said was from the morning of 7 October - the day Hamas launched its surprise attack on southern Israel in which 1,200 Israelis were killed and more than 240 taken hostage.

The video showed two hostages being brought into the hospital, Gaza's largest and most modern.
Responding to the video released by Israel, the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza said it was not able to confirm the authenticity of the footage.

The ministry also said it was Israel which bore full responsibility for the deterioration and collapse of health services in Gaza… because Jews!?
 
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Oh yeah, the “Proportionality” of the whole (most recent) war between Hamas & Israel, with the Attack by Hamas on Israel on Oct 7th killing something like 1200-ish mostly civilians & kidnapping a bunch more….with Israel responding killing 10,000-ish so far mostly civilians and not turning Gaza into a lake of glass.
EVERY side aims to find superior strategies, tactics, weapons and manpower to ensure as great a disproportionate advantage as possible.

Hamas is no exception.

Its savage pre-civilizational strategy to defeat Israel hinged on doing disproportionate things Israel either cannot or will not do.

First, Hamas spent a year planning a preemptive butchery spree inside Israel. Its ruthless murdering focused on “soft targets” like unarmed elderly, women, children and infants, mostly asleep at a time of peace and holiday.

Second, it sought to collectively shock Israel into paralysis by the sheer horror of decapitating civilians, burning babies, mass raping and mutilating bodies.

Another apparent aim of such pre-modern barbarity was to blame Israel’s “occupation” for turning Gazans into veritable monsters, with hopes of derailing the renewed Abraham Accords.

Third, the gunmen took more than 240 hostages back with them to Gaza.

Again, that was a disproportionate tactic designed to meter out the release of captives in exchange for “pauses” and “ceasefires” to save Hamas.

Additionally, Hamas made implicit threats of gruesome executions of captives unless Israel ceased its retaliation for Oct. 7.

Fourth, all the while Hamas shot rockets into Israel — more than 7,000 in total — and all aimed at civilians. Not one launch was preceded by dropping leaflets or sending text messages to Israeli civilians to vacate the intended target areas — a protocol often used by the Israel Defence Forces.

The unapologetic aim was to kill thousands of Israelis at random and disproportionately. In fact, in just the last few four weeks, Hamas has launched more than twice as many rockets into Israel as Nazi Germany managed to launch V-2s into Britain in five months.

Fifth, Hamas sought to create a multi-billion-dollar tunnel city beneath Gaza. The labyrinth’s purposes were to stockpile weapons and ensure safe havens for terrorists to shoot rockets and regroup after their terrorist missions.

Sixth, the subterranean headquarters of Hamas elites, along with weapons depots, were strategically placed under hospitals, mosques and schools to “shield” them from Israeli attacks. The expectation was that the IDF would be hesitant to target such “civilian” and “humanitarian” areas in a way Hamas never would.

Seventh, Hamas forced the civilians of Gaza to remain amid the street fighting. They often shot those who resisted. They also killed Gazans who fled the city. Hamas sought to increase civilian fodder as collateral damage from Israeli attacks. Such deaths were to be broadcast worldwide to win sympathy for Hamas terrorists and force a ceasefire.

Eighth, Hamas bragged that it could repeat strategies 1-7 endlessly on the supposition Israel would tire, the world would turn against the Jewish state and it at last could murder enough Jews to end Israel altogether.

Israel in turn seeks its own disproportionate response to defeat Hamas.

First, it seeks to single out and kill the actual Hamas terrorists and especially the 2,000 or so killers of Oct. 7.

Second, it tries to warn civilians to flee anywhere that Hamas masses. Just as Hamas wants its own civilians killed for propaganda purposes, so Israel seeks to avoid killing them.

Third, by targeting Hamas and warning civilians to keep their distance, Israel does not deny that there will be collateral damage. But it hopes to convince the world that any civilian deaths are mostly the fault of Hamas and not the IDF.

And to the degree that Gaza City is left in rubble, Israel wishes to remind its enemies that the wages of murdering Jewish infants unfortunately will be a disproportionate response, of which its full effects will deter any future attack.

Fourth, Israel understands that a country of 9-10 million is facing a virulently hostile 500-million-person Arab Middle East. The United Nations is on the side of Hamas. A now anti-Semitic Europe has been hijacked by immigrants from the Middle East. Israel’s sole patron, the United States, is buffeted by a hard-left new Democratic Party that is not a reliable partner.

The result is that Israel still cannot conduct a fully disproportionate war without endangering its source of military re-supply in the United States and a wider conflict with the Islamic world.

And so, the war continues.

Hamas strives for a more disproportionate terrorist agenda to prolong the war. And Israel strives for a more disproportionate retaliation to end it.

The anger arises at Israel mostly because it is Jewish and thus far its conventional disproportionality is proving more effective than the terrorist disproportionality of Hamas.
 

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Oh yeah, the “Proportionality” of the whole (most recent) war between Hamas & Israel, with the Attack by Hamas on Israel on Oct 7th killing something like 1200-ish mostly civilians & kidnapping a bunch more….with Israel responding killing 10,000-ish so far mostly civilians and not turning Gaza into a lake of glass.
The Samson option is not off the table. Hamas is still sitting on over 100,000 rockets..... Iron Dome is depleted.....

 
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The Samson option is not off the table. Hamas is still sitting on over 100,000 rockets..... Iron Dome is depleted.....

I think given the "2 states" virtually overlay each other, this would be like Samson in the temple -- killing himself to kill his enemy. In some ways this would be a good thing. Writing off the whole area as nuclear wasteland removes it as a source of conflict or "desired territory".
 

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I think given the "2 states" virtually overlay each other, this would be like Samson in the temple -- killing himself to kill his enemy. In some ways this would be a good thing. Writing off the whole area as nuclear wasteland removes it as a source of conflict or "desired territory".
Tactical nukes don't create a lot of fallout to worry about. They arent big enough or used on the ground.

Israel is already dropping more powerful conventional bombs.

Tactical nuclear weapons, small nuclear warheads and delivery systems intended for use on the battlefield or for a limited strike. Less powerful than strategic nuclear weapons, tactical nuclear weapons are intended to devastate enemy targets in a specific area without causing widespread destruction and radioactive fallout.

The initial radiation pulse from a 1 KT device could cause 50% mortality from radiation exposure, to individuals, without immediate medical intervention, within an approximate ½ mile (790 m) radius. This radius increases to approximately ¾ mile (1200m) for a 10 KT detonation.

https://doh.wa.gov › Pubs
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Nuclear Weapon Detonation - | Washington State Department of Health

 

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I think given the "2 states" virtually overlay each other, this would be like Samson in the temple -- killing himself to kill his enemy. In some ways this would be a good thing. Writing off the whole area as nuclear wasteland removes it as a source of conflict or "desired territory".
Nobody involved wants a Two State Solution at this point. The Israelis have agreed to it repeatedly, and the Arabs have turned it down repeatedly.

Will the Israeli’s agree to it a fourth time to have it turned down again? Will the Palestinians accept anything less than the Jews being driven into the sea?

Egypt surrendered Gaza when it lost it (& the sinai peninsula) in the 1967 war where everyone & their dogs tried to pile into Israel and got their Arses handed to them, when Jordan lost the West Bank….and Egypt has the Sinai Peninsula back not through conquest. Israel walked away from Gaza in what? 2005?…& and I’m sure they’d rather not be forced back into it again since October 7th’s fiasco.

Want to talk about a Two State solution, how about the Golan Heights and its division between Syria and Israel…& how and why did that happen? How about the West Bank & its division between Jordan & Palestine…& how and why did that happen?
 

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Nobody involved wants a Two State Solution at this point.

This is true.

The Israelis have agreed to it repeatedly, and the Arabs have turned it down repeatedly.

This is not true.



Do not blame only Palestinians for the lack of the two state option. Israel has done its own best to make it a non-viable solution too.

Will the Israeli’s agree to it a fourth time to have it turned down again?

No. For various reasons, including they can't get everything they want/get their way.

Will the Palestinians accept anything less than the Jews being driven into the sea?

Depends; Hamas no, but the PA, possibly. Or it could have been; now though? Again, it's not just Palestinians pushing the "no two state" button.

Egypt surrendered Gaza when it lost it (& the sinai peninsula) in the 1967 war where everyone & their dogs tried to pile into Israel and got their Arses handed to them, when Jordan lost the West Bank….and Egypt has the Sinai Peninsula back not through conquest. Israel walked away from Gaza in what? 2005?…& and I’m sure they’d rather not be forced back into it again since October 7th’s fiasco.

Except that Israel is making it clear they want all of Gaza gone. From the extremist right wing, and Bibi's supporters, demanding Gaza be made a parking lot, and the lack of 'after the war plans' for the area, it wouldn't or shouldn't shock anyone that Israel either pushes all Palestinians out of Gaza and take the area over for themselves, or they do leave it a wasteland and effectively not viable for anyone to live, which means people leave the area which means they can take it over.

Certainly there's nothing in Israel right now that shows any sort of 'peace' after they're done destroying the place.

Want to talk about a Two State solution, how about the Golan Heights and its division between Syria and Israel…& how and why did that happen? How about the West Bank & its division between Jordan & Palestine…& how and why did that happen?

Palestinians hold Golan and the West Bank - for now. But with all the settlers pushing into both areas, soon enough Israeli's will outnumber the Palestinians in a "soft", hostile takeover and they'll lose that land too.

Be patient, Ron, those damned Arab bastards will be out of the Jewish Holy Land soon enough and then Jesus will return! *gag*
 

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Sick Kids' doc on leave while hospital probes anti-Israel social media post
Author of the article:Kevin Connor
Published Nov 19, 2023 • Last updated 23 hours ago • 1 minute read
Christian Zaarour, a SickKids anesthesiologist and University of Toronto teacher, is under investigation by SickKids Hospital for anti-Israel comments posted online.
Christian Zaarour, a SickKids anesthesiologist and University of Toronto teacher, is under investigation by SickKids Hospital for anti-Israel comments posted online. University of Toronto
A doctor for Hospital for Sick Children is on voluntary paid leave while the hospital investigates his anti-Israel social media post.


SickKids issued a statement Sunday regarding anesthesiologist Christian Zaarour, who is also a University of Toronto teacher.


“We consider Israel to be absolute evil. There is nothing worse than Israel. If Israel and the devil fight each other, we will stand with the devil,” reads Christian Zaarour’s Instagram post.

SickKids on Sunday addressed the comments made by Zaarour.

“SickKids acknowledges that recent social media activity related to the war in Israel and Gaza is causing immense grief and concern in the community. We strongly believe that any forms of racism are completely unacceptable, will not be tolerated and will be investigated as per SickKids’ Code of Conduct,” the hospital said in a statement.

“As such, we continue to investigate the complaints about a social media post involving one of our physicians. He is currently on a voluntary paid administrative leave while the investigation is being completed. All who come to SickKids are entitled to be treated with respect, professionalism and feel safe.”
 
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Sick Kids' doc on leave while hospital probes anti-Israel social media post
Author of the article:Kevin Connor
Published Nov 19, 2023 • Last updated 23 hours ago • 1 minute read
Christian Zaarour, a SickKids anesthesiologist and University of Toronto teacher, is under investigation by SickKids Hospital for anti-Israel comments posted online.
Christian Zaarour, a SickKids anesthesiologist and University of Toronto teacher, is under investigation by SickKids Hospital for anti-Israel comments posted online. University of Toronto
A doctor for Hospital for Sick Children is on voluntary paid leave while the hospital investigates his anti-Israel social media post.


SickKids issued a statement Sunday regarding anesthesiologist Christian Zaarour, who is also a University of Toronto teacher.


“We consider Israel to be absolute evil. There is nothing worse than Israel. If Israel and the devil fight each other, we will stand with the devil,” reads Christian Zaarour’s Instagram post.

SickKids on Sunday addressed the comments made by Zaarour.

“SickKids acknowledges that recent social media activity related to the war in Israel and Gaza is causing immense grief and concern in the community. We strongly believe that any forms of racism are completely unacceptable, will not be tolerated and will be investigated as per SickKids’ Code of Conduct,” the hospital said in a statement.

“As such, we continue to investigate the complaints about a social media post involving one of our physicians. He is currently on a voluntary paid administrative leave while the investigation is being completed. All who come to SickKids are entitled to be treated with respect, professionalism and feel safe.”
Deport him now.
 
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