Hamas attacks Israel

[petros]

Sounds volatile.

Israel says Rafah blaze caused by a hidden store of Hamas weapons rather than the airstrike — National Post

The IDF said it had been tracking Hamas commanders Yassin Rabia and Khaled Najjar, who were killed in the strike

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Nope. Not at all. Just water vapor when crystalizing the stump remover in water. A little sugar, powdered car tire and the stump remover are your rocket fuel at 50/40/10 ratio.

The scariest but not that scary thing is if your powdered aluminium oxidizes but that can risk is manageable. If you accidentally mix the peroxide with the powdered aluminum then you've got issues. When those two parts meet at impact it goes boom.

Easy peasy chemistry. Any questions?

Is that the same IDF that murdered 45 innocents and went "oopsies"?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Is that the same IDF that murdered 45 innocents and went "oopsies"?

There’s at least 2 sides to every story, & the other side says they whacked two Hamas baddies, who must’ve been meeting at a…

It’s called a stockpile. Even John Wayne had more than 1 gun and 6 rounds.

…Which set off secondary explosions igniting their civilian deterrent encampment that they definitely weren’t hiding behind/under/etc…or so the story goes. So sort of a W”oopsies” & The truth is probably somewhere between the two stories…or nowhere near either of them.

Let’s make a trip to home depot and a hair salon supply joint, I'll teach you how to make a Hamas style rocket.

I’ve had a garage fire, gang fired off my entire chemical locker (about 80 aerosol cans & various other things). I think I’ll pass on that.. Lots of brake cleaner and spray paint and ether and carb cleaners and so on and so forth, all popping off Together in about 15 seconds.

 

[petros]

There’s at least 2 sides to every story, & the other side says they whacked two Hamas baddies, who must’ve been meeting at a…

…Which set off secondary explosions igniting their civilian deterrent encampment that they definitely weren’t hiding behind/under/etc…or so the story goes. So sort of a W”oopsies” & The truth is probably somewhere between the two stories…or nowhere near either of them.

I’ve had a garage fire, gang fired off my entire chemical locker (about 80 aerosol cans & various other things). I think I’ll pass on that.. Lots of brake cleaner and spray paint and ether and carb cleaners and so on and so forth, all popping off Together in about 15 seconds.

Secondary explosions in tents? Their butane gas canisters for water sterilizing and cooking popped off like your rattle cans? I bet that was scary.

Good score IDF!

If shit hits the fan look me up, I'll teach how to take things to the next level in home defence.

 

[Ron in Regina]

…If shit hits the fan look me up, I'll teach how to take things to the next level in home defence.

…If shit hits the fan, I load up the vehicles with all the canned goods, ect…head 10 miles south & 3 miles east. Family land, can get there in 30 minutes or less, or in a few hours on foot if necessary.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Can we get a "Preppers" subforum?

 

[petros]

Can we get a "Preppers" subforum?

Not a bad idea.

 

[Ron in Regina]

An Israeli airstrike that caused a huge blaze at a tented area for displaced people in Rafah has killed 45 people, medics have said, with images of charred and dismembered children prompting an outcry from global leaders and putting ceasefire talks in jeopardy.

For the second time in the Gazan conflict, the Trudeau government immediately jumped on Hamas reports that Israel was intentionally targeting civilians, only for evidence to emerge that the terrorist group may not have been telling the full truth.

Bombing overnight that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said targeted senior Hamas militants in a precision strike appears to have ignited fires that spread quickly through tents and makeshift accommodation, overwhelming a nearby field hospital operated by the International Committee of the Red Cross and overstretched local hospitals.

The incident in question occurred Sunday night when a large explosion and fire was recorded at an encampment housing Palestinians refugees near the city of Rafah.

“We pulled out people who were in an unbearable state,” Mohammed Abuassa, who rushed to the scene in the north-western neighbourhood of Tel al-Sultan, told the Associated Press. “We pulled out children who were in pieces. We pulled out young and elderly people. The fire in the camp was unreal.”

The health ministry in the Hamas-controlled area said about half of the dead were women, children and older adults. Barefoot children wandered around the smoking wreckage on Monday as searches for the dead continued and mourning families prepared to bury their loved ones.

The Hamas-affiliated health ministry in Gaza, Gaza civil defence agency and Gaza media office all reported the explosion as the result of an intentional Israeli strike on a marked refugee area. Hamas’s military wing called it a “Zionist massacre of civilians,” and used it as justification for launching a barrage of rockets into Israel.

Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said in parliament that “something unfortunately went tragically wrong” with the airstrike. “We are investigating the incident and will reach conclusions, because this is our policy,” he said, etc…

Global shock after Israeli airstrike kills dozens in Rafah tent camp — Guardian US

At least 45 people, including many women and children, killed in assault that prompts international outcry

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FIRST READING: Canada (again) endorses a Hamas report without waiting for evidence — National Post

Twice, the Trudeau government has endorsed false Hamas claims that Israel was intentionally targeting civilians

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There’s at least 2 sides to every story, & the other side says they whacked two Hamas baddies, who must’ve been meeting at a…

It was these initial reports that drove media accounts of the explosion as being the aftermath of an “Israeli strike on Rafah camp,” in the words of the Washington Post.

…Which set off secondary explosions igniting their civilian deterrent encampment that they definitely weren’t hiding behind/under/etc…or so the story goes. So sort of a W”oopsies” & The truth is probably somewhere between the two stories…or nowhere near either of them.

They also drove official Canadian pleas for an immediate end to the Israeli operation.

“We are horrified by strikes that killed Palestinian civilians in Rafah,” was the response of Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly, who then demanded an “immediate ceasefire.”

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh even went so far as to call the Rafah explosion evidence of “genocide,” and called for Canadian sanctions on Israel and seemed to imply that Canada, by saying Canada should back the International Court of Justice and International Criminal Court, should support the attempt of an International Criminal Court prosecutor to have Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu arrested, etc…

The immediate response of Israeli authorities was to call the refugee camp fires an accident. Netanyahu called it a “tragic mishap” and an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesman called it a “devastating incident, which we did not expect.”

The IDF did strike a compound in the area on Sunday night, killing Hamas commanders Yassin Rabia and Khaled Najjar.

There’s at least 2 sides to every story, & the other side says they whacked two Hamas baddies, who must’ve been meeting at a…

On Tuesday, the IDF released a satellite image asserting that the target they struck was “a closed structure away from the tent area.” According to the image, it was roughly 180 meters from the Al-Mawasi Humanitarian Area, in which the fires occurred and civilians were killed.

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…Which set off secondary explosions igniting their civilian deterrent encampment that they definitely weren’t hiding behind/under/etc…or so the story goes. So sort of a W”oopsies” & The truth is probably somewhere between the two stories…or nowhere near either of them.

In an English-language press conference, the IDF said the strike had been carried out with precision munitions that would not have been able to generate the level of damage seen in videos of the camp that night.

This was backed up by CNN analysis published on Wednesday, which identified the remnants of a GBU-39 small diameter bombs at the site. Made by Boeing, it’s explicitly marketed as a “precision-strike” weapon that minimizes “collateral damage.”

Secondary explosions in tents? Their butane gas canisters for water sterilizing and cooking popped off like your rattle cans? I bet that was scary.

It was pretty scary for the firefighters. They thought I was storing….ammunition….anyway…

Rear-Adm. Daniel Hagari, chief military spokesman for the IDF, said Tuesday that the damage to the camp was the result of “secondary explosions,” possibly from unknown weapons caches ignited by the strike.

Good score IDF!

Official Israeli sources say the secondary explosions theory is backed up by videos of the fire taken by Gazan civilians, which show multiple blasts following the initial strike.

In one widely circulated video, a narrator can be heard speculating in Arabic that the fire was due to a strike on “a vehicle filled with ammo and weapons.”

Canada’s response to the whole saga was very similar to the Trudeau government’s official reaction to an Oct. 17 explosion in the courtyard of the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza City, etc…

At that time, Joly jumped on initial media accounts — derived from Hamas-affiliated reports — that the explosion was the result of an intentional Israeli strike.

“Bombing a hospital is an unthinkable act, and there is no doubt that doing so is absolutely illegal,” she wrote in a post to X.com.

Soon after, analysis by Israel, the U.S. and multiple conflict watchers concluded that the explosion had almost certainly been the result of a misfired Palestinian rocket that had been intended for Israel. What’s more, Hamas accounts that the explosion had killed more than 500 were found to be wildly overblown, etc…

 

[petros]

For the second time in the Gazan conflict, the Trudeau government immediately jumped on Hamas reports that Israel was intentionally targeting civilians, only for evidence to emerge that the terrorist group may not have been telling the full truth.

The incident in question occurred Sunday night when a large explosion and fire was recorded at an encampment housing Palestinians refugees near the city of Rafah.

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The Hamas-affiliated health ministry in Gaza, Gaza civil defence agency and Gaza media office all reported the explosion as the result of an intentional Israeli strike on a marked refugee area. Hamas’s military wing called it a “Zionist massacre of civilians,” and used it as justification for launching a barrage of rockets into Israel.

FIRST READING: Canada (again) endorses a Hamas report without waiting for evidence — National Post

Twice, the Trudeau government has endorsed false Hamas claims that Israel was intentionally targeting civilians

apple.news

It was these initial reports that drove media accounts of the explosion as being the aftermath of an “Israeli strike on Rafah camp,” in the words of the Washington Post.

They also drove official Canadian pleas for an immediate end to the Israeli operation.

“We are horrified by strikes that killed Palestinian civilians in Rafah,” was the response of Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly, who then demanded an “immediate ceasefire.”

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh even went so far as to call the Rafah explosion evidence of “genocide,” and called for Canadian sanctions on Israel and seemed to imply that Canada, by saying Canada should back the International Court of Justice and International Criminal Court, should support the attempt of an International Criminal Court prosecutor to have Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu arrested, etc…

The immediate response of Israeli authorities was to call the refugee camp fires an accident. Netanyahu called it a “tragic mishap” and an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesman called it a “devastating incident, which we did not expect.”

The IDF did strike a compound in the area on Sunday night, killing Hamas commanders Yassin Rabia and Khaled Najjar.

On Tuesday, the IDF released a satellite image asserting that the target they struck was “a closed structure away from the tent area.” According to the image, it was roughly 180 meters from the Al-Mawasi Humanitarian Area, in which the fires occurred and civilians were killed.

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In an English-language press conference, the IDF said the strike had been carried out with precision munitions that would not have been able to generate the level of damage seen in videos of the camp that night.

This was backed up by CNN analysis published on Wednesday, which identified the remnants of a GBU-39 small diameter bombs at the site. Made by Boeing, it’s explicitly marketed as a “precision-strike” weapon that minimizes “collateral damage.”

It was pretty scary for the firefighters. They thought I was storing….ammunition….anyway…

Rear-Adm. Daniel Hagari, chief military spokesman for the IDF, said Tuesday that the damage to the camp was the result of “secondary explosions,” possibly from unknown weapons caches ignited by the strike.

Official Israeli sources say the secondary explosions theory is backed up by videos of the fire taken by Gazan civilians, which show multiple blasts following the initial strike.

In one widely circulated video, a narrator can be heard speculating in Arabic that the fire was due to a strike on “a vehicle filled with ammo and weapons.”

Canada’s response to the whole saga was very similar to the Trudeau government’s official reaction to an Oct. 17 explosion in the courtyard of the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza City, etc…

At that time, Joly jumped on initial media accounts — derived from Hamas-affiliated reports — that the explosion was the result of an intentional Israeli strike.

“Bombing a hospital is an unthinkable act, and there is no doubt that doing so is absolutely illegal,” she wrote in a post to X.com.

Soon after, analysis by Israel, the U.S. and multiple conflict watchers concluded that the explosion had almost certainly been the result of a misfired Palestinian rocket that had been intended for Israel. What’s more, Hamas accounts that the explosion had killed more than 500 were found to be wildly overblown, etc…

Israeli strike that killed 45 at camp for displaced Palestinians in Rafah a ‘tragic error,’ Netanyahu says

Rafah, Gaza and Jerusalem
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Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday an airstrike that killed dozens of people at a camp for displaced Palestinians in Rafah, Gaza, was a “tragic error.”

“Despite our best effort not to harm those not involved, unfortunately a tragic error happened last night. We are investigating the case,” Netanyahu said in a speech at the Israeli Knesset.

At least 45 people were killed and more than 200 others injured after a fire broke out at the camp following the strike, most of them women and children, according to the Gaza Health Ministry and Palestinian medics. No hospital in Rafah had the capacity to take the number of casualties, the ministry said.

Footage obtained by CNN showed the camp in flames, with scores of men, women and children frantically trying to find cover from the nighttime assault. Burned bodies, including those of children, could be seen being pulled by rescuers from the wreckage.

“Several civilians are still trapped inside the camp, which was attacked without warning,” a Palestinian man filming the fire said. “This was declared a safe zone.”

United Nations Secretary-General Antònio Guterres issued a blistering condemnation on Monday. “I condemn Israel’s actions which killed scores of innocent civilians who were only seeking shelter from this deadly conflict,” he said on X. “There is no safe place in Gaza. This horror must stop.”

A UN diplomat told CNN that the Security Council will hold an emergency meeting Tuesday to discuss the airstrike at the request of Algeria. It will hold private discussions at 3.30 p.m., the diplomat said.

A US official told CNN Monday that Israel had told the Biden administration it used a precision munition to hit a target in Rafah, but that the explosion from the strike ignited a fuel tank nearby and started a fire that engulfed a camp for displaced Palestinians and led to dozens of deaths.

“We can’t confirm that but it’s what Israel shared with us,” the official said, “and we assume we will learn more once Israel completes its investigation.”

The attack came after Hamas launched rockets at Tel Aviv on Sunday for the first time in months. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said that eight rockets were fired from the Rafah area, and that “a number of projectiles” had been intercepted. The IDF said it destroyed the rocket launchers used by Hamas shortly after the strikes.

The Israeli military said in a statement earlier on Monday that it had struck “a compound in Rafah in which significant Hamas terrorists were operating.” It said the strike killed two Hamas officials – West Bank Chief of Staff Yassin Rabia and senior Hamas member Khaled Nagar. CNN cannot verify these claims.

The IDF said in a later statement Monday that its Fact Finding and Assessment Mechanism – an independent body responsible for examining allegations of misconduct in conflict – will investigate the “circumstances of the deaths of civilians in the area of the strike.”

It was among the deadliest strikes by the Israeli military on Gaza’s southernmost city since Israel began its operation there on May 7. It also came just days after the International Court of Justice (ICJ), the United Nations’ top court, ordered Israel to “immediately halt” its military operation in Rafah, and any other action in the city, “which may inflict on the Palestinian group in Gaza conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.”

 

[Ron in Regina]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/27/middleeast/gaza-rafah-displaced-people-camp-israel-strike-mime-intl/index.html

 

[petros]

Israeli strike that killed 45 at camp for displaced Palestinians in Rafah a ‘tragic error,’ Netanyahu says

Rafah, Gaza and Jerusalem
CNN
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Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday an airstrike that killed dozens of people at a camp for displaced Palestinians in Rafah, Gaza, was a “tragic error.”

“Despite our best effort not to harm those not involved, unfortunately a tragic error happened last night. We are investigating the case,” Netanyahu said in a speech at the Israeli Knesset.

At least 45 people were killed and more than 200 others injured after a fire broke out at the camp following the strike, most of them women and children, according to the Gaza Health Ministry and Palestinian medics. No hospital in Rafah had the capacity to take the number of casualties, the ministry said.

Footage obtained by CNN showed the camp in flames, with scores of men, women and children frantically trying to find cover from the nighttime assault. Burned bodies, including those of children, could be seen being pulled by rescuers from the wreckage.

“Several civilians are still trapped inside the camp, which was attacked without warning,” a Palestinian man filming the fire said. “This was declared a safe zone.”

United Nations Secretary-General Antònio Guterres issued a blistering condemnation on Monday. “I condemn Israel’s actions which killed scores of innocent civilians who were only seeking shelter from this deadly conflict,” he said on X. “There is no safe place in Gaza. This horror must stop.”

A UN diplomat told CNN that the Security Council will hold an emergency meeting Tuesday to discuss the airstrike at the request of Algeria. It will hold private discussions at 3.30 p.m., the diplomat said.

A US official told CNN Monday that Israel had told the Biden administration it used a precision munition to hit a target in Rafah, but that the explosion from the strike ignited a fuel tank nearby and started a fire that engulfed a camp for displaced Palestinians and led to dozens of deaths.

“We can’t confirm that but it’s what Israel shared with us,” the official said, “and we assume we will learn more once Israel completes its investigation.”

The attack came after Hamas launched rockets at Tel Aviv on Sunday for the first time in months. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said that eight rockets were fired from the Rafah area, and that “a number of projectiles” had been intercepted. The IDF said it destroyed the rocket launchers used by Hamas shortly after the strikes.

The Israeli military said in a statement earlier on Monday that it had struck “a compound in Rafah in which significant Hamas terrorists were operating.” It said the strike killed two Hamas officials – West Bank Chief of Staff Yassin Rabia and senior Hamas member Khaled Nagar. CNN cannot verify these claims.

The IDF said in a later statement Monday that its Fact Finding and Assessment Mechanism – an independent body responsible for examining allegations of misconduct in conflict – will investigate the “circumstances of the deaths of civilians in the area of the strike.”

It was among the deadliest strikes by the Israeli military on Gaza’s southernmost city since Israel began its operation there on May 7. It also came just days after the International Court of Justice (ICJ), the United Nations’ top court, ordered Israel to “immediately halt” its military operation in Rafah, and any other action in the city, “which may inflict on the Palestinian group in Gaza conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.”

A tragic mistake and then it's a misfired rocket?

BULLSHIT!

 

[petros]

Ass covering.

 

[Ron in Regina]

A tragic mistake and then it's a misfired rocket?

BULLSHIT!

It could happen, like that hospital parking lot a while back. The GBU-39 SDB is a missile I believe, though, I know almost 0 about this field of information.

 

[petros]

It could happen, like that hospital parking lot a while back. The GBU-39 SDB is a missile I believe, though, I know almost 0 about this field of information.

Not a missile. A glide bomb.

 

[Twin_Moose]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795973017454969115

 

[Ron in Regina]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795973017454969115

So, Israel is taking over this corridor along the Egyptian/Gaza border, & has discovered and is in the process of destroying 20 more tunnels with a combined length of approximately 8 miles, to stop smuggling from Syria and Lebanon (?) ‘cuz arms aren’t being smuggled in from Egypt, etc…?

Makes sense, I guess. No way the Egyptian gov’t could’ve known about these tunnels between Gaza & Syria and Lebanon through this Philadelphi Corridor ‘cuz it doesn’t connect to Egypt, etc…because possibility and plausibility.

Egypt (with Qatar) are the negotiators (with the US, and UN, & whatever) in the “peace agreement” between Israel & Hamas/palestinians/palestine/etc…

And “IF” some of these tunnels, surprisingly happened to connect to Egypt (and not Syria & Lebanon somehow), anything flowing through them would be peaceful in purpose & definitely not weaponry because Hamas just builds everything themselves from Home Depot without need for outside resupply beyond what it takes from UNRWA before the Gaza flavour of Palestinians get a taste of the aid, etc…It’s just another…coincidence…that this corridor straddles pretty much the entire border between Gaza & Egypt.

If there’s going to be stockpiles of…stuff…that might be turned into rockets and missiles and propellants for the above, it definitely wouldn’t be found in Rafah that butts up against this corridor against the Egyptian/Gaza border With all these tunnels connecting to…obviously…Syria and Lebanon.

When this current goat rodeo is pretty much over until the next time it happens, does anybody else suspect that there might need to be a serious conversation between Israel and Egypt with respect to their peace agreement, and Israel returning the entire Sinai Peninsula (captured during the 1967 war) to Egypt in exchange for…??? What was it in exchange for again?

Yom Kippur War - Wikipedia

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Now, taking a step back from cheering for their own teams, etc…in this mess, can anybody in all honesty reasonably say that there’s no way that Egypt was NOT aware of an extensive tunnel network connecting Gaza to…well, Syria & Lebanon obviously I guess, in this Philadelphi Corridor?

If the smuggling of weaponry (or the components to make more weaponry) where predominantly coming in by boat and sea…explain the miles of tunnels in this Philadelphi Corridor? I doubt they were smuggling in boats through these tunnels (though anything as possible) from Syria and Lebanon, & I doubt this was a workfare project to provide employment for the average Palestinian digging these tunnels.

How innocent is Egypt the negotiator in this ongoing goat rodeo? Is there plausible deniability for Egypt with respect to this corridor Tunnel network connecting Gaza to Iran obviously via Syria and Lebanon, and definitely not to Egypt?

It kind of puts the outrage into perspective regarding Israel moving into Rafah. It wouldn’t be about the “Palestinians” Because with this tunnel network, assuming things could flow in both directions through them…Palestinians could travel out of Gaza and into obviously Syria and Lebanon through them, right?

If Egypt was totally unaware of this tunnel network, then Palestinian refugees like those below flowing into Egypt from Gaza:

…would be uncontrolled…& that might upset Egypts economy, and social system. With that in mind, even just as a border checkpoint, Egypt (you’d assume) would have to be aware of this potential issue, unless Egypt is completely open to immigration from Gaza.

 

[spaminator]

Politicians need more protection, Liberal MP says, after office vandalized
Author of the article:Canadian Press
Canadian Press
Published May 29, 2024 • 1 minute read

Liberal MP for Davenport Julie Dzerowicz speaks with reporters about vandalism at her constituency office, Wednesday, May 29, 2024 in Ottawa.
Liberal MP for Davenport Julie Dzerowicz speaks with reporters about vandalism at her constituency office, Wednesday, May 29, 2024 in Ottawa.
OTTAWA — A Toronto MP said vandalism that defaced the outside of her constituency office is an “attack on democracy.”


Liberal MP Julie Dzerowicz said two people dressed in black approached her Davenport constituency office at 1 a.m. on Tuesday and painted a threatening message on the windows.

Photos of the office show red paint dripping around a photo of Dzerowicz in one window and a message in another that badly misspells Rafah, saying if the Gaza Strip city is burning, “Toronto will too.”



Dzerowicz said she considers that a threat and also a form of hate speech.

She said it was not the first time this had happened to her office and she wants more done to make it clear what is an acceptable form of protest.

Vandalism, said Dzerowicz, is not acceptable.

Politicians need more protection, Liberal MP says, after office vandalized

Liberal MP Julie Dzerowicz said two people dressed in black approached her Davenport constituency office and painted a threatening message.

torontosun.com

 

[Ron in Regina]

It kind of puts the outrage into perspective regarding Israel moving into Rafah. It wouldn’t be about the “Palestinians” Because with this tunnel network, assuming things could flow in both directions through them…Palestinians could travel out of Gaza and into obviously Syria and Lebanon through them, right?

And now American President Biden is announcing (not the Israelis) new terms that sound amazingly like Hamas’s terms that Israel says are delusional…& Biden says that these terms come from the Israelis?

Israel says it needs to eliminate Hamas, and Biden says the Israelis are stating the below? This just doesn’t ring right to me…

What’s changed in the last couple days beyond Israelis entering Rafah & finding all the tunnels in the Philadelphi corridor, that obviously must connect to…Syria & Lebanon, right? Something…ain’t right here.

Technical Difficulties

www.state.gov

Has Israel really proposed this, or has America proposed this claiming the Israelis proposed this? It’s weird…

This leaves Hamas in control of Gaza. Does this really sound like Israel & something they would propose? Really?

 

[Ron in Regina]

This is why the above sounded so strange to me yesterday. Here is President Biden offering Hamas terms in a deal that sound pretty much like whatever Hamas wanted, & pretty much NOT what Israel has consistently stated:

U.S. President Joe Biden on Friday laid out what he described as a three-phase Israeli proposal (that I wonder if Israel had any input on???) for a ceasefire in Gaza in return for the release of Israeli hostages, saying "it's time for this war to end" and winning a positive initial reaction from Hamas.

Biden details Gaza truce proposal, Hamas responds positively — Reuters

U.S. President Joe Biden on Friday laid out what he described as a three-phase Israeli proposal for a ceasefire in Gaza in return for the release of Israeli hostages, saying "it's time for this war to end" and winning a positive initial reaction from Hamas.

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…& today, Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu responds consistently with what they’ve stated from the beginning:

“Israel’s conditions for ending the war have not changed: the destruction of Hamas’s military and governing capabilities, the freeing of all hostages and ensuring that Gaza no longer poses a threat to Israel,” the Israeli leader said in a statement.

“Under the proposal, Israel will continue to insist these conditions are met before a permanent ceasefire is put in place.

“The notion that Israel will agree to a permanent ceasefire before these conditions are fulfilled is a non-starter,” Netanyahu added.

Benjamin Netanyahu insists on Hamas ‘destruction’ as part of plan to end Gaza war — Guardian US

Israeli PM says his country’s conditions for ending conflict have not changed after US president presented ceasefire plan

apple.news

The difference now compared to a week ago, is that the IDF is in Rafah & discovering all these tunnels that lead to…

….to….Egypt. Egypt the negotiator for Hamas (with Qatar). A week ago Egypt offered terms to Hamas that Israel didn’t offer:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/21/poli...changing-ceasefire-terms-for-hamas/index.html

Now it seems like America through Biden is offering terms to Hamas that It doesn’t sound like Israel has offered (?) claiming Israel offered them?

Doesn’t anyone else find this…bizarre?

What’s going on with whatever Israel is discovering in Rafah that has the Egyptians and Americans scrambling? Outside of stock piles of weapons, etc…The big announcements from Israel are of the tunnel systems (that recently, Egypt claimed didn’t exist crossing under the border) crossing under the border to Egypt.

But find out what? What’s going on with both America & Egypt over what seems to be the discovery of these several tunnels leading under the Gaza/Egyptian border?

Israel's military said Wednesday (05.29.24) it has seized control of the entire length of Gaza's border with Egypt, without elaborating. Capturing the strategic Philadelphi corridor signals that Israel has deepened its offensive in southern Gaza. Why does it seem this has America & Egypt panicky?


Back in January (01/25/24) Israeli leaders said that to complete their destruction of Hamas, they must eventually widen their offensive to Gaza’s southernmost town, Rafah, and take control of the Philadelphi Corridor, a tiny buffer zone on the border with Egypt that is demilitarized under the two countries’ 1979 peace accord.

In a news conference last week (so mid-January 2024), Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Hamas continues to smuggle weapons under the border – a claim Egypt vehemently denies — and that the war cannot end “until we close this breach,” referring to the corridor.

That brought a sharp warning from Egypt that deploying Israeli troops in the zone, known in Egypt as the Salaheddin Corridor, will violate the peace deal. If Egypt is/was knowingly smuggling weapons under that border in that “demilitarized ” zone…who’s violating the 1979 peace accord and why is its exposure panicking both Egypt & America? Is that what we’re actually seeing???

Israel has repeatedly vowed to destroy Hamas since the Palestinian militant group attacked southern Israel on 7 October….& any offer in the negotiations that leaves Hamas in Control of Gaza Doesn’t sound like anything Israel would offer…so…what’re both Egypt & America doing here?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Actually, I’ve got a weird question that I haven’t heard anybody ask yet. I’ve heard repeatedly questions and condemnation about Israel’s plan for Gaza if/when/after a cease-fire is announced. Do they have one? Is it their responsibility to rebuild Gaza? Would 40% off the top go to Hamas? 60%? Would UNRWA be the bookkeeper or just run the Jihadist educational system, etc…?

I haven’t heard anybody ask or question what Hamas’s plan is for itself or Gaza if/when/after a cease-fire is announced. What is the Hamas plan? Anyone? Is a free democratic nation-ish type society part of their game-plan? Would they recognize Israel’s right to exist or would it be the old “From the River to the Sea” until they resupply for Oct 7th 2.0 again? And again? And again? Etc…

Hamas has said it would accept a two-state solution on at least an interim basis, but its political program still calls for the “full liberation of Palestine,” including what is now Israel. Hamas has also said it must be part of any postwar settlement. Interim to what though?


So Hamas would accept a Two State Solution between school & piano lessons (?) or between two other events (?) and if so what other two events? Then for how long between these two events?

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

So neither wants the other in any long term solution. Great way to start a negotiation.