Hamas agreement over, 7 Palestinian civilians killed

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BEIT LAHIA, Gaza Strip (AP) - Hamas' military wing backed out of a truce Friday after an Israeli artillery strike against suspected rocket-launching sites in Gaza hit a family beach picnic, killing seven people, including three children.

"The earthquake in the Zionist towns will start again," said a leaflet distributed at a Hamas rally Friday night. "The resistance groups ... will choose the proper place and time for the tough, strong and unique response."

Israel and the Palestinians declared the truce in February 2005. Hamas, which has killed scores of Israelis in suicide bombings, has largely abided by the ceasefire.

Friday's attack fuelled anger spawned by a fatal Israeli air strike Thursday on a top militant commander in the Hamas-led government. Tens of thousands of people, including angry militants defiantly shooting in the air, packed a southern Gaza soccer stadium for the man's funeral.

In the West Bank, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas condemned what he called a "bloody massacre" in Gaza and called on the international community, including the United States, Europe and the UN Security Council, to intervene.

Abbas, a moderate who leads Fatah, is eager to restart long-stalled peace talks with Israel, and was expected Saturday to formally announce a July 31 date for a national referendum on establishing a Palestinian state alongside Israel.

Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh sent a letter to Abbas on Friday urging him not to hold the vote and to continue negotiations over the plan. He said the referendum would divide the Palestinian people and instead proposed forming a national unity government with Fatah.

"The idea of the referendum now on the table carries many dangers," Haniyeh wrote. "I'm afraid it will cause a historic rift that will hurt the Palestinian cause for decades to come."

Public opinion polls show the two-state proposal enjoys widespread support.

The Israeli army said it attacked northern Gaza Strip areas that Palestinian militants use to fire homemade rockets at Israel. But one artillery strike appeared to go dramatically off course.

The shells struck a crowd at a beachside picnic, killing seven and wounding more than 30, Palestinian Health Minister Bassem Naim said. A woman and two children younger than two were among the dead, medical officials said. All the dead were believed to be related.

The barrage destroyed a tent and scattered body parts along the beach. A panicked crowd screamed and ran around in confusion as paramedics carried the bodies away.

The death toll in Gaza was the highest since Hamas took office in March after winning legislative elections.

Sami Abu Zuhri, a Hamas spokesman in Gaza, said the attack showed "the Zionist occupation ... does not distinguish between civilian children and freedom fighters."

The Israeli military said its chief, Lt.-Gen. Dan Halutz, ordered a halt in artillery attacks in the area while an investigation was conducted.

"We regret any harm caused to innocent civilians," army Capt. Jacob Dallal said.

Israel offered medical assistance, including evacuation to hospitals in Israel, to the wounded.

The latest violence began after an Israeli air strike killed Jamal Abu Samhadana, the highest-profile militant commander that Israel has slain in four years. He recently was commander of the Hamas government's private militia.

Hamas, sworn to Israel's destruction, interpreted the attack as an assault on its government and warned Israel that Abu Samhadana's death would be avenged.

"All options are open for the resistance groups to deliver a message to the enemy that must equal the magnitude of Abu Samhadana's loss," Hamas legislator Mushir al-Masri told Hamas Radio.

It was unclear whether Hamas, which suspended its suicide bombing war against Israel in February 2005, would take direct action against Israel or simply back other factions' operations, as it has done in the past.

Unidentified militants in the Gaza Strip fired four rockets into Israel on Friday, hitting a building in the southern town of Sderot but causing no casualties, the military said. Israel retaliated with artillery fire.

Israel frequently targets sites used by Palestinian militants to fire rockets toward Israel. Israel carried out at least three air strikes, including one that killed three militants after they fired a rocket into Israel.

Abu Samhadana, the leader of the small Popular Resistance Committees faction, was revered in Gaza as a key figure in Palestinian rocket attacks against Israel.

A suspect in a deadly bombing of a U.S. convoy in Gaza in 2003, he maintained strong ties with the various Palestinian factions and belonged to one of the most powerful clans in the teeming Rafah refugee camp.

Hundreds of gunmen escorted Abu Samhadana's body from the morgue to his house and then through the streets of Rafah on the way to the stadium. They fired thousands of bullets in the air, chanting, "God is great!" and "Revenge! Revenge!"

Rival militant factions, including gunmen affiliated with Abbas' Fatah party, joined the procession, displaying rocket launchers, assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenades.

The prayer service proceeded quietly, and mourners streamed out of the stadium afterward toward the cemetery. Some chanted "God is great!" and "We are ready to redeem you with our souls and our blood!"

The funeral was the largest in Gaza since Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi was killed in an Israeli air strike in April 2003.

As a key Israeli target, Abu Samhadana moved stealthily, switching cars and hideouts. Just a few days before his death, he told The Associated Press in a back alley interview that the U.S. government and its people would "pay a dear price" for leading bruising economic sanctions against the Hamas-run Palestinian Authority for its refusal to disarm militants and recognize Israel.

He said he had security measures in place against Israeli attack.

"They don't catch me. I hunt them," he boasted.
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So now that Israel responds to the rockets being fired at Israeli civilians on a daily basis, the truce is over! :?

Israel apologized and expressed regret at hurting civilians.
Hamas targets and celebrates hurting civilians.
Speaks volumes right there.
 

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Just the Facts said:
So now that Israel responds to the rockets being fired at Israeli civilians on a daily basis, the truce is over! :?

Israel apologized and expressed regret at hurting civilians.
Hamas targets and celebrates hurting civilians.
Speaks volumes right there.

Exactly
 

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Just the Facts said:
So now that Israel responds to the rockets being fired at Israeli civilians on a daily basis, the truce is over! :?

Israel apologized and expressed regret at hurting civilians.
Hamas targets and celebrates hurting civilians.
Speaks volumes right there.


But you forget to mention, that palestinians lived sorrounded by walls, no human rights, and are oppressed , something never seen since the great wars, israel never expressed regrets for this.
 

Colpy

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aeon said:
Just the Facts said:
So now that Israel responds to the rockets being fired at Israeli civilians on a daily basis, the truce is over! :?

Israel apologized and expressed regret at hurting civilians.
Hamas targets and celebrates hurting civilians.
Speaks volumes right there.


But you forget to mention, that palestinians lived sorrounded by walls, no human rights, and are oppressed , something never seen since the great wars, israel never expressed regrets for this.

And who is it that oppresses the Palestinians?

Who abandoned the original 750,000 Palestinian refugess, while Israel absorbed 800,000 Jewish refugess kicked out of Arab nations?

Who has stolen the money sent to help the Palestinian people?

Who has made speaking your mind a capital offense in Gaza and the West Bank?

Who is so busy fighting intercene wars they can't get together and drag Gaza out of anarchy?

Guess what. The Palestinian people have been used by Arab nations as a pawn to discredit and harass Israel.

If you want to blame someone for the plight of the Palestinians, most of that blame can not be laid at Israel's feet.
 

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Re: RE: Hamas agreement over, 7 Palestinian civilians killed

jimmoyer said:
Guess why Israel built the Wall ?

Because they wanted more suicide bombers ??



Building walls around citys, to stop suicide bombers, doesnt help the situation,actually it is quite retarded, would you like to live sorrounded by walls?? no human rights?? how would you react??

You accept to send troops on the other side of the planet,just for your own little security based on a lie, imagine what you would do, if you were in palestinians situations, think about it.
 

aeon

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Colpy said:
And who is it that oppresses the Palestinians?


A country called israel, who refuse to follow the rules to those who gave them officially their country which is the United nation.


Colpy said:
Who abandoned the original 750,000 Palestinian refugess, while Israel absorbed 800,000 Jewish refugess kicked out of Arab nations?

A country called israel.


Colpy said:
Who has stolen the money sent to help the Palestinian people?

A moron called arafat.



Colpy said:
Who has made speaking your mind a capital offense in Gaza and the West Bank?

Who is so busy fighting intercene wars they can't get together and drag Gaza out of anarchy?

Guess what. The Palestinian people have been used by Arab nations as a pawn to discredit and harass Israel.

If you want to blame someone for the plight of the Palestinians, most of that blame can not be laid at Israel's feet.


I can't believe how you guys are synical towards palestinians, i just can't believe it.

I put mostly the blame on USA, CANADA,and the whole europe for not recognizing israeli governement as a terrorist organisation, cause this is exactly what they are, as long as we don t recognize them as terrorist, there is no peace solution.


PA uncovers Israelis posing as Al-Qaeda agents
Gaza security chief announces arrest of three Palestinians used by Israeli intelligence as al-Qaeda operatives.


http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=3544
 

Just the Facts

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aeon said:
Just the Facts said:
So now that Israel responds to the rockets being fired at Israeli civilians on a daily basis, the truce is over! :?

Israel apologized and expressed regret at hurting civilians.
Hamas targets and celebrates hurting civilians.
Speaks volumes right there.


But you forget to mention, that palestinians lived sorrounded by walls, no human rights, and are oppressed , something never seen since the great wars, israel never expressed regrets for this.

Actually it's the Israeli's who are being surrounded by walls.
 

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Re: P.A.-Israel Relations

I would suggest that in order for this issue to make progress, persons on both sides of this debate are going to need to keep open minds in terms of the opinions and perceptions of those on the "other side", so to speak. In my opinion, His Excellency Mahmoud Abbas, the President of the Palestinian Authority, should be congratulated for his efforts to ensure that the people of the Palestinian Authority can express their opinion in terms of a two-state solution (for which I am a proponent) through a referendum.

However, the P.A. should, on that same note, be condemned for having struck back with such severity for an incident for which the State of Israel had expressed its regret. I would contend, however, that His Excellency Ehud Olmert, the Prime Minister of the State of Israel, should be denounced for his suggestion that a referendum on the part of the P.A. would be "meaningless"; I think that compromises on both sides are going to be needed if this issue is ever to progress.
 

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Yeah so i guess it is okay for Israel to kill civilians.

And by the way, you can have all the apologies in the world, its not going to bring back 7 dead civilians.

And you have biased facts, the last Israeli killed in a palestinian missile launch was two months ago not every day.
 

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Re: RE: Hamas agreement over, 7 Palestinian civilians killed

aeon said:
jimmoyer said:
Guess why Israel built the Wall ?

Because they wanted more suicide bombers ??



Building walls around citys, to stop suicide bombers, doesnt help the situation,actually it is quite retarded, would you like to live sorrounded by walls?? no human rights?? how would you react??

You accept to send troops on the other side of the planet,just for your own little security based on a lie, imagine what you would do, if you were in palestinians situations, think about it.

A bit off-topic but where is the only walled city in North America. Why was this wall built?
 

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Just the Facts said:
So now that Israel responds to the rockets being fired at Israeli civilians on a daily basis, the truce is over! :?

Israel apologized and expressed regret at hurting civilians.
Hamas targets and celebrates hurting civilians.
Speaks volumes right there.

Couldn't agree more. While I don't agree with the death of civilians in this stupid war, there comes a point when one side as to clear the s.hit out from between their ears. Yes, Israel fired on rocket positions, and regretfully hit innocents. However, is Israel not suppose to retaliate on declared acts of agression? It's not like Israel just opened up on a family picnic for the sake of doing so, there was a catalyst here, and that catalyst was the rocket positions.

A bit off-topic but where is the only walled city in North America. Why was this wall built?

That'd be Quebec City, as for why, exactly, the wall was built. No clue. I assume it has something to do with either the protection of the Stadacona settlement or Sir Isaac Brock and his defense of Quebec against an impending American attack. I don't know if he BUILT the walls or simply added to them. But I do remember from school that he was a key figured in some aspect of the defensive works of the town.
 

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I spent 7 months in Egypt and 4 months in the Golan heights with Canadian UN troops. I liked Arabs as individuals but put 10 of them in a room together and they'd soon be beating on a dog, kicking children, piling up garbage to attract flies and all arguing that everyone but themselves is to blame for their problems.
If Israel was to disappear tomorrow the Palestinians would have to re-invent Israel to justify their own incompetence and Arab abuse of eachother. The Palestinian are now in a fourth generation of accomplishing nothing for their children but more of the same for the next. They are pathetic as parents and no matter how hard they bang their heads aginst a brick wall never learn that violence has accomplished nothing.

Israeli children go to swimming lessons, play video games, go to modern schools and sleep soundly at night in clean beds. They live more or less the lives of western children. Palestinian children live in a world of filth, violence and depravity. It's not the Isrealis who need to change. They have it pretty good. It's the Palestinian parents who have so liitle regard for their own children that they that they will sacrifice them in some struggle that accomplishes nothing.
 

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athabaska said:
I spent 7 months in Egypt and 4 months in the Golan heights with Canadian UN troops. I liked Arabs as individuals but put 10 of them in a room together and they'd soon be beating on a dog, kicking children, piling up garbage to attract flies and all arguing that everyone but themselves is to blame for their problems.
If Israel was to disappear tomorrow the Palestinians would have to re-invent Israel to justify their own incompetence and Arab abuse of eachother. The Palestinian are now in a fourth generation of accomplishing nothing for their children but more of the same for the next. They are pathetic as parents and no matter how hard they bang their heads aginst a brick wall never learn that violence has accomplished nothing.

Israeli children go to swimming lessons, play video games, go to modern schools and sleep soundly at night in clean beds. They live more or less the lives of western children. Palestinian children live in a world of filth, violence and depravity. It's not the Isrealis who need to change. They have it pretty good. It's the Palestinian parents who have so liitle regard for their own children that they that they will sacrifice them in some struggle that accomplishes nothing.

Bloody well said.
 

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aeon said:
I put mostly the blame on USA, CANADA,and the whole europe for not recognizing israeli governement as a terrorist organisation, cause this is exactly what they are, as long as we don t recognize them as terrorist, there is no peace solution.

This is a perfect example of why the world is the way it is today. According to leftists, it is the wicked witches of the West that are responsible for all the ills of this planet. The guilt trips, political correctness, apathy and outright stupidity proves to be more of an enemy than the actual enemies.
 

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aeon said:
I put mostly the blame on USA, CANADA,and the whole europe for not recognizing israeli governement as a terrorist organisation, cause this is exactly what they are, as long as we don t recognize them as terrorist, there is no peace solution.

This is a perfect example of why the world is the way it is today. According to leftists, it is the wicked witches of the West that are responsible for all the ills of this planet. The guilt trips, political correctness, apathy and outright stupidity proves to be more of an enemy than the actual enemies.


It is hypocryte to say hamas are terorrist when their list of crimes, is about one millions years away from what israel governement did, yes we recognize hamas as terrrorism, but we have also to recognize israel-governement as terrorist, the fact that our governement turned a blind eye on them, is the actual proof, that our leaders are compltly biased and not trustable, just for those, i will always be witht the palestinians peoples.
 

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athabaska said:
I spent 7 months in Egypt and 4 months in the Golan heights with Canadian UN troops. I liked Arabs as individuals but put 10 of them in a room together and they'd soon be beating on a dog, kicking children, piling up garbage to attract flies and all arguing that everyone but themselves is to blame for their problems.
If Israel was to disappear tomorrow the Palestinians would have to re-invent Israel to justify their own incompetence and Arab abuse of eachother. The Palestinian are now in a fourth generation of accomplishing nothing for their children but more of the same for the next. They are pathetic as parents and no matter how hard they bang their heads aginst a brick wall never learn that violence has accomplished nothing.

Israeli children go to swimming lessons, play video games, go to modern schools and sleep soundly at night in clean beds. They live more or less the lives of western children. Palestinian children live in a world of filth, violence and depravity. It's not the Isrealis who need to change. They have it pretty good. It's the Palestinian parents who have so liitle regard for their own children that they that they will sacrifice them in some struggle that accomplishes nothing.

I wonder how it got that way. Oh let me think. Israel occupies them shuts off the border bombs there homes, kill their kids, and do all other stuff.

Why does it always have to be the Palestinians who have to do this or that. This is there land, and they deserve to have a nation in the West Bank and Gaza free from Israel strikes, Israeli crippling blockades of goods and services.

These people didn't become poor because they are stupid or something, they became poor and angry because of one thing, an illegal occupation of their lands. So until that occupation leaves they can't better themselves.
 

athabaska

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Then the Palestinians are even more ridiculous and pathetic than they have been to date. More of the same ad infinatum. Not unlike that mythical character who pushes a rock up a hill every day to have it roll down again.

Fortunately you are wrong. Many Palestinians have left the area and their children live marginal better lives...although they are often treated like 'sh!t' by oher Arabs. Some have even come to Canada, USA and other western nations where their children have decent lives (especially their daughters are freed from a culture that abuses women). Many, true, are stuck in the mud and their own filth. Their children subjected daily to violence much more often from fellow Palestinians than Israelis.

'Look around Abdul junior. Someday all this filth and violence will be yours to perpetuate upon your children.'