Hamas agreement over, 7 Palestinian civilians killed
- Thread starter Jersay
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Prove it. I don't see Palestinians launching artillery shells at picnics or daily shootings of children as they walk to school.
Really?Jersay said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/13/AR2006061300799.html
Israel does not kill children intentionally. Need I remind which "side" makes bombs in the same houses as women and children? And innocent men, for that matter?
I challenge you to find me a link of the last time Israel set off a bomb inside a pizza parlour (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1483492.stm)
Jersay said:
Then perhaps you should read more......or look inside those schools were suicide bomber "martyrs" are remembered in their "heroism" by posters on the walls, the maps do not show Israel, and the kids are taught Jews are vermin................
then tell me who is responsible for continuing warfare........
Towns in Israel are rocketed DAILY by the Palestinians.
The anti-Israel ideologues fall over themselves in glee when a Palestinian is killed by Israeli forces. They achieve almost an orgasmic high. You can hear them panting. They don't give a crap about the Palestinians but are obsessed with getting fresh ammunition for their anti-Israeli, anti-American rhetoric.
Regardless, 20 years from now Israelis will go about their lives as they did 20 years ago...much as we do. Palestinian children, in contrast, will be living in squalor and learning to terrorize each other more or less the same as they did 20 years ago.
Then again, if you go the surrounding countries the Arabs live in filth..under dictatorships... abuse women and children...something for an independent Palestine to aspire to. It's almost comical how Israel, the only country in the area that provides a decent life for its people, is labeled the boogyman by leftists.
Regardless, 20 years from now Israelis will go about their lives as they did 20 years ago...much as we do. Palestinian children, in contrast, will be living in squalor and learning to terrorize each other more or less the same as they did 20 years ago.
Then again, if you go the surrounding countries the Arabs live in filth..under dictatorships... abuse women and children...something for an independent Palestine to aspire to. It's almost comical how Israel, the only country in the area that provides a decent life for its people, is labeled the boogyman by leftists.
Yeah provides for its Jewish people and not its Arab population under occupation. Great country. :roll:
Jersay said:
Arabs in Israel have the highest standard of living, on average (we're obviously not counting the lifestyle of the oil Sheikhs), over any other Arabs in the middle east.
They have freedom of conscience, political freedom, and economic freedom.
Compare that to the life of a Jew in Saudi Arabia or even a Christian in Bethlehem. We won't even mention how that compares to the fate of Israeli's who make a wrong turn and find themselves in a police station in Ramallah.
How is it that Arabs in Israel can live free and prosper, while Jews in Judea need 24 hour armed protection from Arabs, and we talk about "occupied" territories?
As an impartial observer, I'm trying to understand.
Had Ms Rice acquainted herself with the most current research on the subject of suicide terrorism, which consists of the study done at the University of Chicago under political scientist Robert Pape, she would have understood that campaigns of suicide attacks always have the support of the community for whose interest the attacks are carried out. Because their aims are recognized as valid within the national community, the acceptance of their means range, for a large segment of the community, from acquiescence to outright support.
This is one of the central findings of the Pape study. This study, the most comprehensive yet done, compiled data on all suicide attacks occurring in the world between 1982 and 2003. The study found that 315 suicide attacks occurred involving 412 suicide attackers.
One key result was that the majority of the attackers were secular rather than religious. Of the 41 suicide attackers in Lebanon between 1982 and 1986 (this period including the suicide bombing of the US Marine compound in which 241 US Marines were killed), the survey was able to ascertain the religious affiliation of 38. Of these, 30 were affiliated with groups opposed to Islamic fundamentalism. Twenty-seven were from communist or socialist groups such as the Lebanese Communists Party, the Lebanese National Resistance Front, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Amal, the Baath Party and others – all secular groups with no commitment to religious extremism. Three were Christian, including a high school teacher. Only eight were affiliated with Islamic fundamentalism.
Overall, of 384 suicide attackers for which the survey was able to obtain data, 43 percent were religious while 57 percent were secular.
The most prolific practitioners of suicide attacks are the Tamil Tigers, a secular group, of Sri Lanka who account for 76 of the 315 suicide attacks during this period. Their attacks have included the assassination of two heads of state including Indian Prime Minister Raji Gandhi.
The survey found that fifty four percent of those who committed suicide attacks had some post secondary education, compared with only a small fraction of their society whereas only 10 percent of the attackers had only a primary school education or less, compared with nearly half in their societies as a whole. Thus suicide attackers are, on average, better educated than their peers.
The survey of Arab suicide attackers found most were from working or middle classes and seldom were unemployed or poor. Seventy six percent had working class or middle class jobs – technicians, mechanics, policemen, teachers -- whereas only 17 percent were unemployed or at the bottom of their income scale.
Dr Pape states:
Overall, this survey of primary demographic characteristics of suicide terrorists cast strong doubt on the prevailing assumptions that individuals who carry out these attacks are primarily religious fanatics, irresponsible adolescents, or sexually frustrated males. Nearly all were well beyond adolescence, most were secular, and many – the overwhelming majority in some groups – were women. None had pathognomonic characteristics of a suicidal personality - past history of suicide attempts. Rather, the uncomfortable fact is that suicide terrorists are far more normal than many of us would like to believe. (Dying to Win, Pape, p211)
There have been nine suicide campaigns during the period between 1982 and 2003. All have been aimed at driving foreign occupiers from what is perceived as the attacker’s homeland.
Pape states, in direct contradiction to Ms Rice:
Most suicide terrorism is undertaken as a strategic effort directed toward particular political goals; it is not simply the product of irrational individual or an expression of fanatical hatreds. The main purpose of suicide terrorism is the use of the threat of punishment to compel a target government to change policy, and most especially to cause democratic states to withdraw forces form land the terrorists perceive as their national homeland. (ibid, p27)
There have been many explanations provided of suicide attacks on occupation armies, or on the societies that support them, by the leaderships of those who sponsor suicide campaigns, all of which, apparently, Ms Rice is oblivious. One such is expressed by Sayeed Si
www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article-22209.shmtl
This is one of the central findings of the Pape study. This study, the most comprehensive yet done, compiled data on all suicide attacks occurring in the world between 1982 and 2003. The study found that 315 suicide attacks occurred involving 412 suicide attackers.
One key result was that the majority of the attackers were secular rather than religious. Of the 41 suicide attackers in Lebanon between 1982 and 1986 (this period including the suicide bombing of the US Marine compound in which 241 US Marines were killed), the survey was able to ascertain the religious affiliation of 38. Of these, 30 were affiliated with groups opposed to Islamic fundamentalism. Twenty-seven were from communist or socialist groups such as the Lebanese Communists Party, the Lebanese National Resistance Front, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Amal, the Baath Party and others – all secular groups with no commitment to religious extremism. Three were Christian, including a high school teacher. Only eight were affiliated with Islamic fundamentalism.
Overall, of 384 suicide attackers for which the survey was able to obtain data, 43 percent were religious while 57 percent were secular.
The most prolific practitioners of suicide attacks are the Tamil Tigers, a secular group, of Sri Lanka who account for 76 of the 315 suicide attacks during this period. Their attacks have included the assassination of two heads of state including Indian Prime Minister Raji Gandhi.
The survey found that fifty four percent of those who committed suicide attacks had some post secondary education, compared with only a small fraction of their society whereas only 10 percent of the attackers had only a primary school education or less, compared with nearly half in their societies as a whole. Thus suicide attackers are, on average, better educated than their peers.
The survey of Arab suicide attackers found most were from working or middle classes and seldom were unemployed or poor. Seventy six percent had working class or middle class jobs – technicians, mechanics, policemen, teachers -- whereas only 17 percent were unemployed or at the bottom of their income scale.
Dr Pape states:
Overall, this survey of primary demographic characteristics of suicide terrorists cast strong doubt on the prevailing assumptions that individuals who carry out these attacks are primarily religious fanatics, irresponsible adolescents, or sexually frustrated males. Nearly all were well beyond adolescence, most were secular, and many – the overwhelming majority in some groups – were women. None had pathognomonic characteristics of a suicidal personality - past history of suicide attempts. Rather, the uncomfortable fact is that suicide terrorists are far more normal than many of us would like to believe. (Dying to Win, Pape, p211)
There have been nine suicide campaigns during the period between 1982 and 2003. All have been aimed at driving foreign occupiers from what is perceived as the attacker’s homeland.
Pape states, in direct contradiction to Ms Rice:
Most suicide terrorism is undertaken as a strategic effort directed toward particular political goals; it is not simply the product of irrational individual or an expression of fanatical hatreds. The main purpose of suicide terrorism is the use of the threat of punishment to compel a target government to change policy, and most especially to cause democratic states to withdraw forces form land the terrorists perceive as their national homeland. (ibid, p27)
There have been many explanations provided of suicide attacks on occupation armies, or on the societies that support them, by the leaderships of those who sponsor suicide campaigns, all of which, apparently, Ms Rice is oblivious. One such is expressed by Sayeed Si
www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article-22209.shmtl
RE: Hamas agreement over,
Screw Isreal, they're a nation of facsist nazi's, aint that interesting.
Screw Isreal, they're a nation of facsist nazi's, aint that interesting.
