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LINKED BY PAIN: Two Parkland survivors, dad of Sandy Hook victim kill selves
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In this Feb. 25, 2018 file photo, mourners bring flowers as they pay tribute at a memorial for the victims of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Parkland, Fla. David Santiago / AP
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Tragedies like the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High and Sandy Hook Elementary school massacres eventually fade from view, blunted by other mass shootings and the passage of time.
But for the survivors, the pain can never end.
The father of a Sandy Hook victim killed himself Monday, just days after two Stoneman Douglas students also took their lives. The Florida deaths have officials in Parkland and nearby Coral Springs renewing their communities’ focus on the suicide prevention and mental health resources that remain available 13 months after a gunman killed 17 people at the high school.
In Newtown, Connecticut, where 20 first-graders died along with six staff members six years ago, the body of 49-year-old Jeremy Richman was found outside his office Monday morning.
Richman’s daughter Avielle was fatally shot at Sandy Hook. He had visited Florida last week and met with the parents of Stoneman Douglas victims, said Lori Alhadeff, whose 14-year-old daughter Alyssa died there.
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Richman and his wife oversaw The Avielle Foundation, a group they started dedicated to preventing violence by better understanding brain health.
“Our hearts are shattered, and our heads are struggling to comprehend,” the foundation said in a statement. “Tragically, his death speaks to how insidious and formidable a challenge brain health can be and how critical it is for all of us to seek help for ourselves, our loved ones and anyone who we suspect may be in need.”
Multiple suicides among mass shooting survivors can be alarming, but mental health experts said the Florida deaths are not surprising. They come amid a rising nationwide trend: More than 47,000 U.S. suicides occurred in 2017, at the highest rate in at least half a century — 14 per 100,000. Suicide is the second-leading cause of death among U.S. teenagers.
“One of the big risk factors for suicide is exposure to violence,” said Dr. Louis Kraus, chief of child and adolescent psychiatry at Rush University Medical Center in Chicago.
Even if they weren’t hit by bullets or didn’t see shots fired, “anyone who was at that school is at risk,” Kraus said, and should be screened.
“The scars simply don’t go away with a fresh coat of paint,” he said.
Psychologist April Foreman, a board member at the American Association of Suicidology, said survivors are more prone to suicide and thus must be vigilant about mental health check-ups just as if they had a family history of breast cancer or heart disease.
With help, people can overcome their suicidal impulses, she said.
“It’s not a foregone conclusion that this will happen to everyone who’s been exposed to this and the majority of people who are suicidal don’t go on to die. They go on to recover and live,” she said.
The first suicide took place March 16. Cara Aiello told WFOR-TV last week that her 18-year-old daughter Sydney had suffered from survivor’s guilt — her friend, Meadow Pollack, died in the attack.
Sydney had been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder and struggled to attend college because she feared being in a classroom, but never asked for help, her mother said.
Coral Springs police officer Tyler Reik confirmed Monday that a Stoneman Douglas sophomore apparently killed himself Saturday, but said an official determination had not been made pending an autopsy. The boy’s name was not immediately released.
Community leaders, government officials, parents, police and others held an emergency meeting Sunday after the second student suicide, Parkland Mayor Christine Hunschofsky said.
The biggest push will be to alert parents to talk to their children about whether they are having suicidal thoughts and outline the danger signs for them, such as personality changes or a preoccupation with death, she said.
The groups also want students to look out for each other, and noted that the community counselling and resource centres that opened after the attack still remain available.
The task has been made more difficult as Stoneman Douglas students are on spring break.
Hunschofsky said that while there is concern the two suicides could lead to more, it is more dangerous not to discuss what happened.
“We cannot be afraid of talking — the only way we are going to identify people who need help is to talk about it,” she said.
A 16-year-old Stoneman Douglas sophomore who was in a classroom where three students died on Feb. 14, 2018, told The Associated Press on Monday that she tried to kill herself four times before she entered therapy.
At first, she was ashamed, she said, fearing that accepting counselling would mean she “couldn’t’ handle my problems” and “I was broken.” But her attitude changed with the support of therapists, family and friends, said the girl, who the AP is not naming because of her age.
The girl said she fears not every Stoneman Douglas student who needs counselling is getting it and noted that some teachers seem uncomfortable talking about suicide and simply want to move on.
In Connecticut, Richman was among the Sandy Hook relatives suing Infowars host Alex Jones for contending the Newtown shooting never happened.
Neil Heslin, whose son, Jesse Lewis, was killed at Sandy Hook, said the families’ grief has been compounded by such conspiracy theories.
“Every day you get up, you expect to get punched in the chin,” Heslin said. “I give Jeremy credit for what he accomplished with his work and his amazing strength that grew through the years.”
Newtown Police Lt. Aaron Bahamonde said Richman left a suicide note, but did not disclose its contents.
On Monday, residents streamed into the Resiliency Center of Newtown, which was set up shortly after the shooting as a place for therapy and for people to gather to talk. Richman worked with the centre in providing “brain health” first aid for children and others.
His friend, Stephanie Cinque, the centre’s executive director, said people are angry, sad and shocked by his death.
“There’s mixed feelings throughout town,” she said. “Grief is complicated. It’s very sad for the family, the children, the entire community. So today we’re letting people know it’s OK to have those feelings.”
The emotional scars survivors feel last for decades.
Columbine High massacre survivor Heather Martin was not physically injured in the 1999 shooting that left 13 dead, but said she took years to emotionally overcome the attack. She helped form the Rebels Project, named after Columbine’s mascot, to assist mass trauma survivors.
“Resilience is connecting with other people and gaining strength from other people,” Martin said. “You don’t always have to be the strongest person.”
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Ottawa under pressure to tighten gun laws after swift action in New Zealand

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Liberal government's firearms-related legislation, Bill C-71, now before the Senate


John Paul Tasker · CBC News · Posted: Mar 26, 2019 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 4 hours ago


Prime Minister of New Zealand Jacinda Ardern, left, talks to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau as they arrive for the the second day of the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in Windsor, England, April 20, 2018. Ardern's rapid response to the Christchurch mosque shooting has prompted calls for more action on gun control in Canada. (Frank Augstein/AP Photo)
New Zealand's Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has won praise from gun control advocates around the world for her fast work in tabling new firearms restrictions following the Christchurch mosque massacre. Now, Ottawa is under heavy pressure to follow her lead.
New Zealand's sweeping ban on so-called "military-style" semiautomatic firearms has prompted Canadian activists to redouble their efforts to pressure the federal government to further tighten the law here. They're calling on the Trudeau Liberals to first pass what they see as the relatively timid reforms included in Bill C-71 before moving on to more controversial changes — such as a handgun ban.
"The government of New Zealand has swiftly and responsibly responded to the atrocities ... by almost immediately committing to ban the type of weapons that facilitate such extreme violence," said gun control advocate Nathalie Provost, a survivor of the 1989 gun massacre at École Polytechnique in Montreal that claimed the lives of 14 women.
"Yet here in Canada, 29 years after Polytechnique, twelve years after (the Dawson College shooting), four years after the murder of three Moncton RCMP officers and two years after our own massacre at a peaceful mosque in Quebec City, the Liberals are still dithering on what to do about legal assault weapons."
Prime Minister Ardern has issued a cabinet order that bans New Zealanders from owning semi-automatic firearms like the one used in the March 15 terrorist attack that killed 50 people at two Christchurch mosques. The order bans ownership of semi-automatic firearms capable of use with a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds.
Ardern also is moving to ban accessories, like bump stocks, that enable a firearm to fire more ammunition faster. Firearms most commonly used by farmers and hunters — such as rifles with small, non-detachable magazines — will be permitted.
"The huge difference is that New Zealand is acting and Canada is not — and yet we have a government that promised to get handguns and assault weapons off our streets," Heidi Rathjen, a coordinator with gun control group PolySeSouvient, said in an interview with CBC News.
"The Liberals are so terrified of this. The public is in favour of a ban but they're terrified of the gun lobby, which is extremely active and threatening in terms of elections and votes."


Boufeldja Benabdallah is the president of the Islamic Cultural Centre of Quebec City, the place where Alexandre Bissonnette killed six and maimed many others in January 2017. He said that, without stricter controls, Canada risks a repeat of what went on within the walls of his mosque.
"Murders occur because we don't have control over these instruments of death and, quite simply, because we haven't prohibited or seriously regulated these weapons of war. Whether it be a handgun or an assault rifle, it's a weapon of war that kills," he said.
(Bissonnette had a handgun, a semi-automatic rifle and several full magazines on his person when he walked into the mosque on the night of Jan. 29, 2017.)
Canada already has limits on how many cartridges a magazine can hold; depending on the firearm, magazines are limited to either five of 10 cartridges.
Gun rights advocates maintain that by targeting so-called "assault rifles" — a term that has no legal standing in Canada — gun control activists are focusing on what a gun looks like rather than its more salient features, like firepower. Both sides agree Canada's classification system, which groups firearms into three classes — non-restricted, restricted and prohibited — is outdated and arbitrary.

Someone attempted to illegally purchase this handgun online - an indication of how easily legal firearms can become crime guns in Canada, according to Jooyoung Lee, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Toronto who specializes in gun violence. (GunPost.ca)
Canada has long prohibited the possession of fully automatic firearms. And any would-be gun owner in Canada has to submit to a background check and complete training before applying for either a Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) or a restricted PAL and purchasing a gun. Canadians already register restricted (and prohibited) firearms, such as handguns, with the police.
Some maintain targeting legal firearms owners, through either C-71 or a potential ban, is the wrong approach given that much of the gun-related crime in this country is perpetrated by criminals using handguns smuggled from the U.S.
"The lion's share of firearms homicide is committed by illegal gun owners. No methodologically valid study has been able to find evidence that stricter gun laws, or even gun bans, have reduced general homicide rates or spousal homicide rates," said Gary Mauser, a professor emeritus at Simon Fraser University and a noted gun rights advocate.
Out of all the violent gun crimes in 2017 in Canada, 59 per cent involved a handgun, 18 per cent involved a rifle or a shotgun, 6 per cent involved a fully automatic firearm, sawed-off rifle or shotgun and 17 per cent involved a firearm-like weapon or an unknown type of firearm, according to data from StatsCan presented last week at a Senate committee studying Bill C-71.

There are, however, large regional disparities in the numbers.
Since 2009, for example, handguns — most of them illegal — have been involved in 83 per cent of all firearm-related violent crimes in Toronto, compared to 52 per cent for the rest of Canada.
"For over 30 years legal gun ownership in Canada has increased but homicide rates have decreased," Mauser said. "How big a threat is a licensed firearms owner? In Canada, moose kill more people each year than registered and licensed firearms owners."
The Liberal government's only piece of firearms-related legislation so far, Bill C-71, is now before the Senate. It includes enhanced background checks for anyone applying for a PAL, mandatory record-keeping for firearms retailers, changes to the authorization to transport (ATT) rules, and the reclassification of two types of firearms.
Ottawa also has commissioned a study on implementing further limits (or an outright ban) on handguns or "assault-style" weapons as firearms-related homicides continue to plague major Canadian cities. City councils in Toronto and Montreal already have passed resolutions demanding federal action on the file.


"My bottom line is that Bill C-71 is a small step in the right direction but we need a lot more if we're going to significantly reduce homicides, not just gun-related homicides, but all homicides in Canada," said Irvin Waller, a professor emeritus of criminology at the University of Ottawa.
"I am, frankly, shocked by my own statistics. If you look at the G7 countries and don't include the United States, Canada is the prize winner [with the most homicides]. There's been a major shift in Canada over those 40 years to less criminal use of long guns and in the last 10 years a rapid increase in the criminal use of handguns. Bill C-71 does not address the issue of handguns in any major way."

To that end, Border Security and Organized Crime Minister Bill Blair is mulling a far-reaching change to firearms law along the lines of New Zealand's reform — which would risk opening up an urban-rural divide in the Liberal caucus.
"We are are considering any and all options that will better protect Canadians and keep them safe," a spokesperson for the minister said in a statement to CBC News.
"Our government remains concerned about all instances of tragic acts of firearm violence. As mandated by the prime minister amidst increasing gun violence across Canada, Minister Blair has been examining a comprehensive ban on handguns and assault-style weapons, all while respecting law-abiding gun owners."


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ta...7oY7MWLA_0MRE2AJpoE8XQysFNKWvxr2fqbG5LdrcAyGA









"The Liberals are so terrified of this. The public is in favour of a ban but they're terrified of the gun lobby, which is extremely active and threatening in terms of elections and votes." Heidi Rathjen, of Canadians for Gun Control


Colpy: Yeah, you phucking moron, it is called DEMOCRACY. Geezus.
 

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New Zealand is putting the entire world to shame

This is how a country is supposed to work.
 

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New Zealand is putting the entire world to shame

This is how a country is supposed to work.


Excuse me?


They are doing exactly what the shooter wanted them to do, as laid out in his manifesto.


So you support his ideology?


The question is rhetorical, I know you do not support psycho mass murderers.........


But you do need to get all the info, and then think before you troll.
 

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Where in his manifesto does it say that?


TBH, I did not read the damned thing. However, it has been widely reported that in his psychotic ramblings he listed among his reasons that he wished to set off a civil war by making the authorities react against free speech and the ownership of firearms, especially in the USA..........and that the seizure of firearms would touch off armed conflict.


So....I looked it up (after I posted the above)




Finally, to create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural,political and racial divide within the United states.This conflict over the 2nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms rights will ultimately result in a civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along political, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.This balkanization of the US will not only result in the racial separation of the people within the United States ensuring the future of the White race on the North American continent, but also ensuring the death of the “melting pot” pipe dream.
 

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TBH, I did not read the damned thing.

Sure you didn't.

He wrote it specifically for you and the rest of White Natty's

and please in future stop publishing this hate literature online - save it for your meetings where you can enjoy it in private
 

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Sure you didn't.

He wrote it specifically for you and the rest of White Natty's

and please in future stop publishing this hate literature online - save it for your meetings where you can enjoy it in private


Phuck you are such an arsehole.


YOU ASKED FOR IT, you brain-dead, amoral, moronic troll.
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Where in his manifesto does it say that?


And obviously, if you think I'm a white supremacist, then one is forced to conclude you are not only stupid, but insane.
 

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I asked for it to illustrate that you are exactly the sort of white natty who would have read it.
 

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you can be glad you're a Canadian because if we were in New Zealand they might have a word with you about publishing hate literature online.

Hopefully csis has your name already.
 

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I asked for it to illustrate that you are exactly the sort of white natty who would have read it.


As I told you Troll, I didn't read it.


I googled, and got Ammoland, a gun site, where they produced the sole paragraph I quoted (out of what were over 80 pages) to illustrate how the left are doubling down whole-heartedly on the wishes of the killer......because they are simply stupid.


Just like you.


Even if I had read the thing previously (which I did not), I am still doing better than you.


I'm not supporting him.


You are.


So phuck off.
 

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I asked for it to illustrate that you are exactly the sort of white natty who would have read it.


As I told you Troll, I didn't read it.


To satisfy YOUR REQUEST, I googled, and got Ammoland, a gun site, where they produced the sole paragraph I quoted (out of what were over 80 pages) to illustrate how the left are doubling down whole-heartedly on the wishes of the killer......because they are simply stupid.


Just like you.


Even if I had read the thing previously (which I did not), I am still doing better than you.


I'm not supporting him.


You are.


So phuck off.


Conversation over.
 

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As I told you Troll, I didn't read it.


I googled, and got Ammoland, a gun site, where they produced the sole paragraph I quoted (out of what were over 80 pages) to illustrate how the left are doubling down whole-heartedly on the wishes of the killer......because they are simply stupid.


Just like you.


Even if I had read the thing previously (which I did not), I am still doing better than you.


I'm not supporting him.


You are.


So phuck off.
Don’t feed the troll . He is as useful as the name suggests hemorrhoid.
 

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Gun control by the ALT-left described using sheep and wolves:

A wolf attacks a sheep. The sheep dies.

Other sheep observe the killing and notice that teeth kill sheep.

The sheep remove their own teeth for their own safety.
 

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OK, I'll make a mental note that you don't know what "surly" means. I try to work within the vocabulary (that means "how many words you know") limitations (that means "stuff you don't know or can't do") of my interlocutors (that means "the people I'm talking with").


I'm not sure I'm familiar with YOUR definition of the word "surly", but I've been cognizant of the dictionary definition for as many years as you've been on the planet. I've also been cognizant for a similar duration, of the danger in assuming what other people know or don't know. :) :)
 

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I'm not sure I'm familiar with YOUR definition of the word "surly", but I've been cognizant of the dictionary definition for as many years as you've been on the planet. I've also been cognizant for a similar duration, of the danger in assuming what other people know or don't know. :) :)
You misused "duration," and the comma after "duration" is unnecessary.
 

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Gun control by the ALT-left described using sheep and wolves:

A wolf attacks a sheep. The sheep dies.

Other sheep observe the killing and notice that teeth kill sheep.

The sheep remove their own teeth for their own safety.
More sheep are shooting themselves dead with the guns - accidentally and on purpose - than are being killed by wolves.