Gun Control is Completely Useless.

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This gun grab is totally laughable.. this coming from the same government that enacted the Emergencies Act and froze peoples accounts calling truckers Terrorists.

Interesting times watching peoples rights being stripped from them.

Living next to the USA where many guns are smuggled into Canada ..

Trudeau has just created a new underground community of unregistered firearms.. because people in Canada will still buy handguns..

So while attacking Legal gun owners, what has be actually accomplished in tackling illegal guns and criminals??

Anyone who agree with Trudeau is a fucking idiot clown.
 

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The legal history of the Second Amendment vs. gun control is pretty sketchy. There are essentially two cases. . .

In 1939 the Supremes decide Miller v. U.S. The issue was whether Miller had the right to own a sawed-off shotgun. The Supremes tied the Second Amendment to the militia, ruling that Miller had no such right because a sawed-off shotgun is not a traditional militia (i.e., light infantry) weapon.

Subsequent to this, a number of Federal laws were passed without problems. The Gun Control Act of 1968, among other things, prohibited buying a handgun in any state except the one the purchaser resided in. No serious challenges were mounted, and the theory was advanced, quite successfully, that handguns not being militia weapons, the states or the Fed could regulate them as they pleased.

The "assault weapons" ban of 1994 banned the importation or sale of semi-auto "assault weapons," but grandfathered weapons already in private hands. It was modeled on the successful ban of full-auto assault weapons (and other full-auto weapons) in 1986, which also grandfathered full-auto weapons in private hands. This despite the fact that if one defines "the militia" as a light infantry force, standard armament includes full-auto rifles, grenades both hand and weapon-launched, and light anti-tank rockets. None of these was allowed to Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel for his amusement, and there were no serious challenges. As a sop to Republicans, the assault weapons ban was set to expire in ten years, and when it did in 2004, the Republican-majority Congress did not renew it.

Then came Heller v. DC in 2008, wherein Justice Scalia, apparently without irony, found an individual right in the Second Amendment to own guns, including handguns, for personal defense purposes. He essentially erased the Militia Clause of the Second Amendment, and decided the magic words were "of the People." This was the first and only time in U.S. history that the Supreme Court held that people have a right own guns for personal defense. In a nod to Miller, Scalia did say that the state and the Fed had the right to regulate "unusual and dangerous" firearms. This is used at the state level to ban several types of high-capacity semi-autos with detachable box magazines, but no action yet on the Federal level.

And that's it. Blue states, including Maryland (where I live) have substantial restrictions on semi-autos, including banning several models outright, banning "copycat" weapons (the State Police are the deciding authority), and banning the "transfer" within state borders of magazines capable of holding more than ten rounds. The bans make little if any sense, being the result of significant lobbying and compromise. However, if a pissed-off 18-year-old decides to shoot up his school, he's gonna need to go to Virginia to get the AR-15 and the 30-round clips. I suppose that's something. Damn little, though. It does effectively ban me from buying an M1A, so I had to buy a technically-identical FNAR. And I have to drive, sometimes as much as 20 miles, to get 20-round clips.

I'll link to an interesting interview from the Washington Post between one of their regular op-ed columnists and a former gun-company executive on the rise of the AR-15 as the Surrogate Penis of MAGA!, and exactly what drove it.

Interview With A Former Vampire
 
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Maybe some of those billions of dollars will be spent on trying to promote the trans life in Ukraine. Or maybe try and push Zelensky into allowing same sex marriage in Ukraine? Is everything today just about pushing sexual perversion and racism and climate change by most of our useless bottom feeding politicians?

Sexual perversion, racism, climate change. Sexual perversion, race and climate change. Sexual perversion, racism, climate change, and on and on and on they go while prices for everything soars. Our bottom feeding politicians only seem to want to talk about sex, racism and climate change. FO with that useless shit. (n)
 

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Interesting. It does pose the question "You like to say that banning new guns is useless cuz there's already millions in the country and guns last forever. So why do we need new ones? Just trade around the ones that we have."

We need new hand guns to be sold because there may just be someone who would like to buy a brand new hand gun for their own personal use. Just because someone owns an hand gun does not mean that they will soon want to go out and start shooting people. There should be an assault on those drug dealing gangs from Jamaica who should not be owning any hand guns at all. Target them because they are the ones that are pretty much doing all the shooting, and not the innocent hand gun owners who only use their hand guns at shooting ranges or keep them for self protection. Those gang bangers must be forced to forfeit over their hand guns to the police.

Trying to ban the selling or buying of hand guns or importing hand guns into Canada is a phukin waste of time and effort and most of all a waste of taxpayer's tax dollars. This is communism, and has nothing to do with fighting gun violence. The drug gang bangers from Jamaica will have no problem getting their hands on hand guns. and it's for dam sure that they are not going to turn their hand guns over to the police. For the few incidents that we have with gun violence here in Canada, we do not need anymore gun confiscations by those communist running our governments today. Trade around? Good one though. :D
 

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This new and ridiculous Bill has nothing to do with gun control or gun violence. It's just another communist like tactic, and this has more to do with trying to disarm the honest hand gun owners here in Canada who own hand guns for either their protection or to be used at shooting ranges. There is not all that much gun violence and shootings going on in Canada today that warrants such new gun regulations. This is all about gun grabbing in the end. The Jamaican gun drug dealers are not going to go along with any new hand gun restrictions. They will sell, buy or import guns into Canada. They will get the guns they need into Canada one way or the other.

Why do we keep getting these bottom feeding politicians who keeps trying to waste the taxpayer's tax dollars on useless gun restrictions when there is no real need to do so. The ones that will really suffer are the gun shop owners and dealers who stand to loose millions of gun sales if this new stupid gun restrictions Bill is passed. How can any politician decide that there will be no gun sales, transfers or importing of hand guns anymore in Canada? What? Did they take a national poll that shows that the majority of Canadians want more gun control? It's only the politicians, the media, and special interest anti-gun groups that push for more gun controls. A small minority of lefty liberals.

If this Bill has anything to do with that Marxist moron that we call the PM of Canada then there has to be something very fishy going on here. Anything that this buffoon tries to do should be taken with some suspicion. Anything that this idiot does he phuks it all up. Go back to lefty liberal/separatism Quebec and get the hell out of English Canada. You lefty liberal buffoons from Quebec have done enough damage already to the rest of English Canada. FO, please. (n)
 

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You need to be more like America. Down here, police departments auction off seized weapons.

I own a 22 rifle, and I am quite happy owning one. What goes on in America is none of my bloody f'n business. I live in Canada, and that Canada is my concern. I would like to see more Canadians show more concern about what goes on in Canada rather than show so much concern over what goes on in America. I think that most Canadians do enjoy lambasting on America because they probably like to think that they are superior to America and that Canada is crime free. such bullshit indeed. Canada has become a country of massive corruption by the federal government and it needs to be dealt with now. Works for me. (y)
 

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….Remember that this was at a time when, technologically, there was no difference between thirteen corps of 1000 men each and one army of 13,000 men. Muzzle-loading muskets and smoothbore cannon were the rule of the day. The model was actually not dissimilar to the location-based regiments of the British army. It is worth noting that the Constitution provided for a navy on a completely different, national model. Because ships are expensive, and you can't have a functional navy cobbled together from thirteen state coastal-patrol flotillas.

The problem that the Second Amendment was intended to address was the problem of central governments occasionally passing laws banning private ownership of weapons (shortly afterward, Napoleon would do just that, as an example). This was intended to ensure the ability of a frontier people to fight Natives (I'll save my "genocide" rants for another day), to form posses to fight bandits and pirates, to enforce such things as tax laws against towns or regions that refused to pay, etc. But the central reason for the Second Amendment was to facilitate the formation of state militias. It was beyond the means of most states to provide muskets and ammunition to a large body of men, so given that it was a frontier society and people needed their muskets anyhow, the militias did not issue weapons. Each man was expected to show up for militia duty with his own musket, his own ammunition, and his own equipment (bedroll, tin plate and utensils, coat, etc.)….
OK, this is interesting, just so I don’t completely butchered things unintentionally perhaps somebody like Colpy should Wade in here…

I cannot speak for the smooth board cannons, but the other weapons you are describing, in Canada, I don’t think are even considered weapons?? Seriously. The year 1898 with respect to manufacture plays itself often in this conversation, but it reads like real pre-1898 muzzleloaders or flintlock rifles require no licensing, but replicas are banned (?) believe it or not? Maybe?

Firearms, even before the Trudeau showboating and disinformation, firearms this side of the border where highly regulated.

There are no licence and registration requirements for antique firearms. All black powder muzzleloaders made before 1898 are considered antique firearms. Antique firearms are exempt from the licence and registration requirements set out in the Firearms Act .Jul 7, 2020
 
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OK, this is interesting, just so I don’t completely butchered things unintentionally perhaps somebody like Colpy should Wade in here…

I cannot speak for the smooth board cannons, but the other weapons you are describing, in Canada, I don’t think are even considered weapons?? Seriously. The year 1898 with respect to manufacture plays itself often in this conversation, but it reads like real pre-1898 muzzleloaders or flintlock rifles require no licensing, but replicas are banned (?) believe it or not? Maybe?

Firearms, even before the Trudeau showboating and disinformation, firearms this side of the border where highly regulated.

There are no licence and registration requirements for antique firearms. All black powder muzzleloaders made before 1898 are considered antique firearms. Antique firearms are exempt from the licence and registration requirements set out in the Firearms Act .Jul 7, 2020
Some states have the same rules. For example, a ball-and-powder revolver isn't considered a "firearm" in many states. Our laws are pretty much the same.

See the Clint Eastwood movie Pale Rider for some good video on ball-and-powder revolvers. Or YouTube if ya don't have a couple of hours.
 

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In the wake of a horrific mass shooting in the United States, Canada’s Liberal government announced a slew of new gun control measures on Monday, the most controversial of which is a freeze on handgun purchases throughout the country.

Some of the new measures are small tweaks to existing laws, re-branded to win over urban voters who are unfamiliar with the country’s strict gun laws. For example, the government promised to bring in contentious policy proposals from south of the border like red flag laws and bans on high-capacity magazines, which Canada already has. The one thing all the new rules have in common is that none of them will make you safer.


The overwhelming majority of handguns used in criminal acts in Canada are smuggled from the United States. This number is as high as 86 per cent in Toronto. The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police has said in the past that a handgun ban will have little impact on crime in Canada’s big cities.

Freezing handgun sales in Canada is a rational short-term calculation by the Liberal party to take advantage of the legitimate outrage and sadness that Canadians feel looking south of the border, and shore up support in urban ridings.

The likely long-term implications of this, however, will be damaging to the Canadian economy and exacerbate the urban-rural divide in this country, all while failing to provide support for communities suffering the most from gun violence.

A 2019 study by the Conference Board of Canada found that sport shooting alone supports 14,000 jobs across the country, and contributed $1.8 billion to Canada’s GDP. Most gun stores in Canada are small- and medium-sized enterprises in rural and remote areas. They will likely be devastated by these measures.

The Liberal party has a long history of bridging regional divides and keeping our sometimes-fragile Confederation together. It is time to return to those roots. It is time for the government to do the right thing: invest money in marginalized communities, get young people out of gangs and into jobs and affordable homes, and leave sports shooters alone.
 

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In the wake of a horrific mass shooting in the United States, Canada’s Liberal government announced a slew of new gun control measures on Monday, the most controversial of which is a freeze on handgun purchases throughout the country.

Some of the new measures are small tweaks to existing laws, re-branded to win over urban voters who are unfamiliar with the country’s strict gun laws. For example, the government promised to bring in contentious policy proposals from south of the border like red flag laws and bans on high-capacity magazines, which Canada already has. The one thing all the new rules have in common is that none of them will make you safer.


The overwhelming majority of handguns used in criminal acts in Canada are smuggled from the United States. This number is as high as 86 per cent in Toronto. The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police has said in the past that a handgun ban will have little impact on crime in Canada’s big cities.

Freezing handgun sales in Canada is a rational short-term calculation by the Liberal party to take advantage of the legitimate outrage and sadness that Canadians feel looking south of the border, and shore up support in urban ridings.

The likely long-term implications of this, however, will be damaging to the Canadian economy and exacerbate the urban-rural divide in this country, all while failing to provide support for communities suffering the most from gun violence.

A 2019 study by the Conference Board of Canada found that sport shooting alone supports 14,000 jobs across the country, and contributed $1.8 billion to Canada’s GDP. Most gun stores in Canada are small- and medium-sized enterprises in rural and remote areas. They will likely be devastated by these measures.

The Liberal party has a long history of bridging regional divides and keeping our sometimes-fragile Confederation together. It is time to return to those roots. It is time for the government to do the right thing: invest money in marginalized communities, get young people out of gangs and into jobs and affordable homes, and leave sports shooters alone.
Yep, changing "in case of" to "in the event of" in line 437 of the proposed Omnibus Crisis Bill (C-somethingorother) will fix everything!

We're saved! Thanks, Prime Mover Truedough!
 
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In the wake of a horrific mass shooting in the United States, Canada’s Liberal government announced a slew of new gun control measures on Monday, the most controversial of which is a freeze on handgun purchases throughout the country.

Some of the new measures are small tweaks to existing laws, re-branded to win over urban voters who are unfamiliar with the country’s strict gun laws. For example, the government promised to bring in contentious policy proposals from south of the border like red flag laws and bans on high-capacity magazines, which Canada already has. The one thing all the new rules have in common is that none of them will make you safer.


The overwhelming majority of handguns used in criminal acts in Canada are smuggled from the United States. This number is as high as 86 per cent in Toronto. The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police has said in the past that a handgun ban will have little impact on crime in Canada’s big cities.

Freezing handgun sales in Canada is a rational short-term calculation by the Liberal party to take advantage of the legitimate outrage and sadness that Canadians feel looking south of the border, and shore up support in urban ridings.

The likely long-term implications of this, however, will be damaging to the Canadian economy and exacerbate the urban-rural divide in this country, all while failing to provide support for communities suffering the most from gun violence.

A 2019 study by the Conference Board of Canada found that sport shooting alone supports 14,000 jobs across the country, and contributed $1.8 billion to Canada’s GDP. Most gun stores in Canada are small- and medium-sized enterprises in rural and remote areas. They will likely be devastated by these measures.

The Liberal party has a long history of bridging regional divides and keeping our sometimes-fragile Confederation together. It is time to return to those roots. It is time for the government to do the right thing: invest money in marginalized communities, get young people out of gangs and into jobs and affordable homes, and leave sports shooters alone.

In the wake of a horrific mass shooting in the United States, narcissistic Justin Trudeau uses the deaths of 19 children to grab headlines..

Justin just has to be the centre of attention, even over those 19 dead kids.
 
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I personally feel that we need to implement a moratorium on immigration for at least 7 to 10 years. There are way too many new immigrants, approx. 400,000, plus illegals, that are being allowed to immigrate to Canada or enter illegally into Canada. We already have a shortage of hospital staff but yet we keep bringing in more new immigrants. They are taking up space in our hospitals. Many of these new immigrants eventually end up on welfare or take up crime for a living. And with the cost of trying to buy or home these days, or pay the rent, just where or how are these more than 400,000, plus illegals, going to find housing.

Our infrastructures are under attack, Our environment is under attack. Our whole way of life is under attack. This is why we need a moratorium on immigration. But for some nefarious reason, that dictator buffoon in Ottawa seems to want to flood Canada with millions of new immigrants in the next three years. This is bloody madness. This bloody dictating buffoon in Ottawa is f'n crazy in the head. the arse hole needs to go now. Works for me. (y)
 
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More useless gun laws for the taxpayer to have to pay for. Just three more years to go before this buffoon in Ottawa will have us all put in chains, and have us all eating out of a rice bowl and working in some mine somewhere. And what is with the idiots who still think and will still vote for this dictator in Ottawa and believe that this fool was a gift from god to mankind? If this is what god thinks about mankind, it's no wonder we are where we are. :rolleyes:
 
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In the wake of a horrific mass shooting in the United States, narcissistic Justin Trudeau uses the deaths of 19 children to grab headlines..

Justin just has to be the centre of attention, even over those 19 dead kids.

It's pretty sad what happened in Texas but this is what our gun grabbing politicians are looking for. Another chance to be able to take away guns from law abiding citizen's. Ask those drug gangbangers out there or some loonie toons out there if they really care or will follow the gun laws?

It would appear to me as though our dear stunned political leaders in Canada are becoming more and more stupid by the day. This is just another prime example of just how stupid these politicians in Canada have become. They never really solve anything. They just make things worse. I would be safe to say that 99% of our politicians in Canada haven't got enough brain cells to be able to put on the head of a pin. Just saying. :eek:
 
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It's pretty sad what happened in Texas but this is what our gun grabbing politicians are looking for. Another chance to be able to take away guns from law abiding citizen's. Ask those drug gangbangers out there or some loonie toons out there if they really care or will follow the gun laws?

It would appear to me as though our dear stunned political leaders in Canada are becoming more and more stupid by the day. This is just another prime example of just how stupid these politicians in Canada have become. They never really solve anything. They just make things worse. I would be safe to say that 99% of our politicians in Canada haven't got enough brain cells to be able to put on the head of a pin. Just saying. :eek:
Well, you could always sell the grabbed guns to the Yanks. Make a debt in the deficit.
 

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Well, you could always sell the grabbed guns to the Yanks. Make a debt in the deficit.

Or our dear Marxist leader in Ottawa can take those grabbed guns and send them off to his comrade buddy Zelensky in Ukraine to help him fight his losing war with Russia. The only debt that this dictating buffoon in Ottawa believes in is to create more debt. This buffoon is well on his way to bankrupting us all. (n)
 
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