Gun Control is Completely Useless.

petros

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I see people who want me to give up my own right to security so they can have what they want. Nothing new here.
And whine like ****ing babies in the process. Bloody terrorists are all the same.
 

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Secret Homeland Security Threat Assessment Labels Gun Owners Potential Terrorists


A Department of Homeland Security intelligence assessment equates gun owners with violent terrorists and states that radical extremists are “stockpiling” weapons in fear of an Obama administration gun ban.

This newly uncovered document is just the latest in a long sordid line of training manuals in which the federal government characterizes millions of American citizens as potentially violent terrorists who are a threat to law enforcement.
The document is entitled Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment (PDF link) and was released just a few days ago. The paper is labeled Law Enforcement Sensitive and states, “No portion of the LES information should be released to the media, the general public, or over non-secure Internet servers. Release of this information could adversely affect or jeopardize investigative activities.”

However, probably as a result of a concerned whistleblower, the secret document has been leaked to the Internet. Alex Jones called the numbers listed on the document and validated its authenticity. He contacted the “watch captain” at the Department of Homeland Security’s National Infrastructure Coordinating Center who confirmed the product number on the document as legitimate but would not comment further. A call to the FBI went unanswered.

The document states that the election of an African-American president and the economic downturn have acted as “unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment,” adding that, “The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms….could lead to the emergence of terrorist groups….capable of carrying out violent attacks.”​
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/

The DHS is essentially claiming that people who are concerned about the Obama administration’s plans to curtail the second amendment, and by extension anyone who owns guns or who has purchased guns in response to such a scenario, is a potential violent terrorist.

The bulk purchasing of ammunition is labeled “stockpiling” and “hoarding” to create the myth that people who buy bullets are storing them for some kind of violent revolutionary attack. The document also claims that people who buy guns and ammunition are also rightwing extremists engaged in “paramilitary training,” a bizarre claim backed up with no evidence whatsoever.

The document then discusses past and current gun legislation with the implication that anyone who vehemently opposes attacks on the second amendment right to bear arms is a potential terrorist, or at best a “rightwing extremist”.
Expressing concern about concentration camps, illegal immigration, the economy and martial law is also characterized by implication as a potential indication of terrorist activity.

Camp X-Ray for you Colpy....at this camp they have no weenie roasts and singalongs.​

If you mean terrorists as in useful idiots of the CPC, I'm in full agreement.


Equating Conservatives with Terrorists Equating Conservatives with Terrorists - Gun Owners Of America

Terrorists terrorists terrorists.
 

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I don't see anyone's rights being violated. I see people who want to be entrusted with items of interest to the public's safety refusing to be reasonably accountable for them. I see people who want me to give up my own right to security so they can have what they want. Nothing new here.

Ah....the old leftist rationale.....you must surrender your individual rights in favour of the collective rights of the people.

Live long enough, and you will learn that the entire concept of collective rights is a fallacy. There are only individual rights, collective rights are an invention of those that would leave you with no rights at all.

And I just scratched the surface of the Firearms Act.......indeed, the Supreme Court made the unusual step of inviting Charter challenges to the Act when it rejected the strictly jurisdictional challenge made by the provinces....

Canada's Firearms Act Violates Charter Rights & Freedoms


Actually, you don't seem to have any rational understanding of individual rights.....which makes you a much more dangerous individual than I.



As well, how does a licensed gun owner in possession of arms compromise the public's safety???? Look up the research of Gary Mauser, and you will discover that licensed firearms owners have a murder rate roughly one half that of the general population, despite the fact they are overwhelmingly male (the gender responsible for 90% of homicides) and by definition have easy access to firearms.

Based upon statistics from the Homicide Survey and the Canadian Firearms Program, the probability of a licensed Canadian firearms owner committing murder is less than one-half that of the typical Canadian.
In any given year, there were between 7 and 17 people accused of homicide who possessed a valid firearms licence or an FAC (Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics, 2006).
1997 - 17
1998 - 10
1999 - 11
2000 - 7
2001 - 11
2002 - 14
2003 - 14
2004 - 16
2005 - 11

According to the Canadian Firearms Program, the number of people with valid firearm licences is just under 2,000,000 (RCMP, various years).
December 2005 1,979,054
December 2002 1,912,939
Depending upon the year, the homicide rate for licensed Canadian firearms owners varied from 0.35 per 100,000 to 0.85 per 100,000 firearm owners. In other words, less than one licensed firearm owner per 100,000 gun owners is accused of murder in any given year.
Over the same time period, the Canadian national homicide rate ranged from 1.74 per 100,000 to 2.06 per 100,000 people in the general population (Beattie, 2009). In other words, approximately two people out of every 100,000 Canadian residents are accused of murder. Thus, the likelihood of a licensed Canadian firearms owner committing murder is less than one-half that of the typical Canadian. It follows that, on average, Canadians who do not own firearms are more likely to commit homicide than those who do.

Presentation by Dr. Gary Mauser | NFA, National Firearms Association, Canada gun information

Your premise, that the mere presence of firearms is a threat to your security, is simply false.
 
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Ah....the old leftist rationale.....you must surrender your individual rights in favour of the collective rights of the people...

Something like that. Moderate, actually. Too bad for you when it comes to C-68 I've got the Supreme Court on my side so deal with THAT.
 

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If you look verrrry closely(and use your imagination) you can just make out the bomb making factory in Colpys avatar picture.

* I'm joking for any NSA employees who may be monitoring this site:lol:
 

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Something like that. Too bad for you when it comes to C-68 I've got the Supreme Court on my side so deal with THAT.

Sigh...

The Supreme Court passed a purely jurisdictional judgement over C-68........the challenge made by the provinces was that the Federal government was overstepping its constitutional bounds into regulatory law, which is the jurisdiction of the provinces.

The provinces lost.

In their judgement, the justices took the extremely unusual step of stating that their judgement did NOT reflect on their willingness to consider further challenges to Bill C-68 under the Charter of Rights. They practically invited such challenges.......

The Court has not yet had the opportunity to consider a Charter challenge to the Firearms Act, as one has yet to make it all the way through the system to that lofty goal....give it time.

You should know what you are talking about before you make such wide open claims.

If you look verrrry closely(and use your imagination) you can just make out the bomb making factory in Colpys avatar picture.

* I'm joking for any NSA employees who may be monitoring this site:lol:

I'll have you know I carefully photoshopped out any such evidence....

OOOps.

Did I say that????
 

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The Court has not yet had the opportunity to consider a Charter challenge to the Firearms Act, as one has yet to make it all the way through the system to that lofty goal....give it time.
Until then, with the court's blessing, it's the law. Like I said, deal with it. You seem to think a cop calling you up and setting up a time to count your guns is some huge intrusion on your freedoms when all around you there are inspectors from all levels of government enforcing all manner of rules and regulations. Well it doesn't get any more self-centered than that. That's precisely why I think you and your's are acting like spoiled brats.
 
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geiseric

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Hey

Question for you. If Harper is so gung-ho against the Firearms Act why is he making you wait by not asking a reference question?
 

petros

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It's because it is what Harper wants. He wants gun control and the registry isn't going away under CPC, Libs, NDP le Bloc or Greenie Weenies.....


Deal with it you damn terrorist.
 

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Hey

Question for you. If Harper is so gung-ho against the Firearms Act why is he making you wait by not asking a reference question?

Harper is NOT gung-ho against the Firearms Act.......Harper voted FOR the bill in first reading back when he was a Reform MP.

Harper realizes the bill solidifies his natural constituency behind him, and moves such as those of the NDP and Liberals in the recent debate over registration harm those parties mightily in individual ridings. Maybe only 15% or 20% of the voting public give a hoot about the Firearms Act, but those that are against it VOTE the issue, those that are for it don't......

Harper is a politician........he watches the gameboard carefully.....and the Firearms card is a win-win for him. I think he has been a good tactical leader, I do NOT think he sits at the right hand of Lucifer........but

I'd dump Harper in a millisecond....but then I look across the aisle.

Oh my.

Anyway, back to your question....Harper likes having the registration debate on the table....it is the gift that keeps on giving.
 

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I avoid making much of who votes for what on first reading. I don't hate Harper. I hated Bush but I don't hate Harper. Never have trusted him though and as time passes he constantly makes that worse and for that reason alone he'll never get my vote.

It might help keep us from spilling too much blood if I let you know I just skipped over to the Liberal board and suggested the Liberals make posing a reference question a part of their platform and press Harper to do it now.
 

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Harper is NOT gung-ho against the Firearms Act.......Harper voted FOR the bill in first reading back when he was a Reform MP.
The basis of the Reform platform was the registry. The CPC is essentially still the Reform.

They have done nothing for you except label you a terrorist.
 

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The basis of the Reform platform was the registry. The CPC is essentially still the Reform.

They have done nothing for you except label you a terrorist.
Fire arms legislation does not work, has not worked, and never will work.
PERIOD
All you mega brains with all your stats and talking points can't even differenciate between handguns and long guns.
All this legislation accomplished was alot of jobs,in New Brunswick and one prepetually liberal seat.
Well worth 2 or 5 billion if your the sitting government or one of the benificiries of the jobs.
Good for selling newspapersa as well.
Living in the murder capital of Canada i can tell you not one of these murders was committed by a registered rifle.
Why is that?
And more importantly how can we solve that issue?Because that is were concern for public safety should begin.
But unfortuneatly these are just Indo Canadians and Oriental Canadians tyhat are getting killed , I mean who really cares right.
Lets go after the white hunter and farmer that must be the root cause of all evil.
And petros you can bury your head all you like but those I mentioned above neither like nor respect you.
 

petros

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Living in the murder capital of Canada i can tell you not one of these murders was committed by a registered rifle.
Abbotsford eh? That really puts a notch in the bible belt.
That is great none were registered weapons. It shows that responsible people don't do crime but those who resist registration are terrorists and must be treated as such if it's their weapons that are the problem.
 

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That almost makes sense. Must be the coffee.

Ah....the old leftist rationale.....you must surrender your individual rights in favour of the collective rights of the people...

I didn't, btw, say anything about collective rights, I said MY rights so...

nice straw man.

and I already said I don't see anyone's rights being violated and I meant it. I think the inspections are reasonable.