Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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And seeing as how mass shootings account for about 1% of all gun homicides, I can see why you're all cranked up about it.
So you are saying that your assertions have never been supported by decent data?
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She is required to complete a gun safety course and install a mounted holster in her vehicle, and show proof that firearms in her home are safely stored, the statement said.
Gilt must also give 10 speeches about the March 8 incident, which drew wide attention after local media reported she was a staunch advocate for the right to carry guns, citing her apparent comments on social media.
Gun rights advocate shot in the back by son to avoid charge | World | News | Tor
I like this. Maybe she can add the 4 rules to her speach.
The Four Rules
All guns are always loaded. (Treat them so!)
Never point the gun at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target (and you have made the decision to shoot).
Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
Really, really stupid post. I do not care to pass any laws in Canada and if I am shot in the US when visiting there, my family will be very rich. I do NOT need to protect myself from a rapist, simply because there are many other ways than a loaded gun to accomplish that. i.e., self defense courses for one. If the rapist has a loaded gun, he will have to feck a dead body.
You are a one idea male who thinks a loaded gun solves all problems. It creates hundreds more problems that it ever solves. Has it ever occurred to you how often you are managed by woman, a smarter man, a kid using logic, or by those playing on your weaknesses?? I would bet is most of your life. LOL.
Good lord, you live in the US.....do you simply avoid the local news??? Every day in Florida, in my local region, there are a LEAST 3 shootings over night, Local news, from Daytona Beach to Orange City, sometimes Orlando. It does not even include Jacksonville, or the Miami Region, or the west coast!!. Now this area is one I consider quite safe in relation to other places in the US I have stayed.
I remember a gun fight in the parking lot of a Baltimore hotel, shortly after checking in. Watched it all from a 3rd floor room window.. There is quite a nice little pub at the end of the street I live on........but one night, the new manager allowed bikers to wear their colors. Next morning, yellow crime scene tape at the park ocean side of A1A. (just across the highway from the pub) So don't pretend not to be aware of what goes on every single day in your country.
Oh and in this area, you can no longer rent a gun at the shooting galleries. Too many sick, older persons have shot themselves with the rented guns. Too poor to own one themselves I suppose or maybe their state of mind was known and were banned from owning one.
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"So you are saying that your assertions have never been supported by decent data?"
Like this one??? No comprehensive, accurate stats since 1996!! Of course I would expect an apology as soon as you do your research on how and when NRA with the help of the Republicans got the funding cancelled and made sure it stuck!! Is this new enough for you??
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-despite-the-ban-being-lifted-two-years-ago/
I don't think you are dumb, but your logic is extremely flawed. You simply can not state that canadian gun laws are responsible for the wonderfully low rates that pre-existed the laws. If you are unable to concede to this point, you undermine your entire argument.
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2014001/article/11925-eng.htm#a3
"Rates of both firearm-related and non-firearm-related homicide have decreased since peaking in the 1970s. Over this period, however, the rate of firearm-related homicide has declined at a faster rate than non-firearm-related homicide. Since 1972, the firearm-related homicide rate has decreased 45%, while the non-firearm-related homicide rate has decreased 22%."
Our rates are not as low as they should be, after all we do live next to a country where so many types of guns are available. Did you know that most crimes and homicides are done by criminals with smuggled and/or stolen guns??
Think how far down our stats would go if the US brought in as strict gun control as some of the other countries have!!
So how flawed is my logic now???
"Rates of both firearm-related and non-firearm-related homicide have decreased since peaking in the 1970s. Over this period, however, the rate of firearm-related homicide has declined at a faster rate than non-firearm-related homicide. Since 1972, the firearm-related homicide rate has decreased 45%, while the non-firearm-related homicide rate has decreased 22%."
Our rates are not as low as they should be, after all we do live next to a country where so many types of guns are available. Did you know that most crimes and homicides are done by criminals with smuggled and/or stolen guns??
Think how far down our stats would go if the US brought in as strict gun control as some of the other countries have!!
So how flawed is my logic now???
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And, during that time, there are states that enjoyed a decline in rates that fell twice as fast as Canada, while not implementing a canadian style of gun control. Clearly, you are unwilling to turn over enough stones to find out what is truly happening.
Actually, in Canada the homicide weapon of choice is a knife. But you are correct that criminals are the largest offenders....the rest of us have access to knives, but we simply aren't murderers. Same goes for guns. I've never murdered with my gun, and it has everything to do with my character, and has nothing to do with the laws.
Sorry, I still think you want to prune the apple orchard until the good apples are no longer growing.
Hey.....you neglected to offer proof of your statement. You are saying that some states, enjoyed a decline from the 1970's to today of more than 45% in wounding and killings by firearms?? I would like some verification of that in decently collected statistics. Oh but wait, there aren't any are there??
Remember 1996 the collection of data was stopped by the government through lobbying by the NRA & the Republicans. So any stats saying the rates of gun violence are down after that time are useless.
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I wonder what the stats say about Surrey B.C. having its 36th shooting of the year last night ?
Those Americans sure have problems .
LOLwell how about 2 mass shootings in one day, one in a disabled persons centre.
"http://www.charismanews.com/us/53572-2-mass-shootings-in-1-day-leave-at-least-4-dead-dozens-injured.
That headline should read 15 dead and dozens injured.
The governor of Washington state has passed legislation that brought in background checks on those buying guns and it has helped.
Between 2012 and 2014, according to Inslee’s office, an average 665 people per year died in Washington state from firearm injuries, compared with 497 from automobile accidents.
I have not yet found the yearly total of deaths this year but I will keep trying. It will be interesting to see how the stats for 2016 compare with those 665 yearly averages at the end of this year.
OMG a pun!! Not good but not so bad either!!
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You will notice that for someone who doesn't know how to post a link, she can only pick her statistics fron an anti gun site...
Here are the real statistics from Washington state....
https://www.google.ca/#q=deaths+by+firearms+in+washington+state+2015
And the second link is a link to the PDF report download...
Firearm Deaths In Washington State - Office of Financial Management
For those who don't know how to download...
There ain't so much difference as she says between firearms deaths and vehicular deaths... and most firearms deaths were
suicides...
Way to cherry pick
Here are the real statistics from Washington state....
https://www.google.ca/#q=deaths+by+firearms+in+washington+state+2015
And the second link is a link to the PDF report download...
Firearm Deaths In Washington State - Office of Financial Management
For those who don't know how to download...
There ain't so much difference as she says between firearms deaths and vehicular deaths... and most firearms deaths were
suicides...
Way to cherry pick
why discuss vehicular deaths with someone that refuses to discuss infant deaths in residential swimming pools.
Why do you keep showing how little you know?? You simply don't like the fact I can find sites that prove you are the wrong. Too bad so sad! I will say once more for those who have a problem with understanding what is printed, no matter how many times I post it.You will notice that for someone who doesn't know how to post a link, she can only pick her statistics fron an anti gun site...
Here are the real statistics from Washington state....
https://www.google.ca/#q=deaths+by+firearms+in+washington+state+2015
And the second link is a link to the PDF report download...
Firearm Deaths In Washington State - Office of Financial Management
For those who don't know how to download...
There ain't so much difference as she says between firearms deaths and vehicular deaths... and most firearms deaths were
suicides...
Way to cherry pick
I am NOT anti-guns, simply FOR limiting access those weapons to sane, law abiding citizens. I know I will be repeating this again and again, for those with poor retention of information.
I guess you are wrong again....it seems I do know how to post links. After all .....now you accuse me of by-passing the NRA sites, and all the other pro-gun sites and find the holes in those posts.
Now I will address the cherry picking. Who cherry picks stats that mean zip....you and others like you who want Canada to adopt the US laws, which WILL change!! ANY STATS in the US since 1969 are not VALID. Some states have good ones but many do not and any national agency trying to collect those stats are hamstrung by the Republican congress & the NRA. So suck it up bud.
James, I will discuss infant deaths in residential swimming pools, just not on anti-gun site. After all, a few of those infants that might have died in a swimming pool , have shot their mom, pop, sisters, brothers, friends etc. and are more dangerous to their families and friends in a household that has guns, than they are of dying in swimming pools in the US.
In Canada, of course we rarely hear about babes shooting their family members or friends, because of Canada's gun rules about storing weapons so of course, there are more swimming pool deaths that gun accidents.
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There are no canadian laws in the usa. Yet the infant drownings are even higher than bbird's paradise.
My post addressed your false data with statistical data from the state of Washington, and instead of refuting it with statistics, you reply with senile babble....way to go...everybody with an analytical mind knows you by now now
And BTW you didn't post a link...
I found where you got your info from a single line you cherry picked!
The full paragraph
(Between 2012 and 2014, according to Inslee’s office, an average 665 people per year died in Washington state from firearm injuries, compared with 497 from automobile accidents. About 80 percent of the firearms deaths were suicides, the governor said, adding that the statewide plan would focus on those at highest risk.)
Here is the link which you didn't post....
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...trengthening-background-checks-of-gun-buyers/
And that dear lady is what I refute in post #6455
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If you own guns in this country, and that is important to you, you have only one friend in Parliament; the Conservative Party of Canada
This past weekend a motion was passed modifying the CPC Policy on firearms ownership;
"A Conservative Government will not deprive Canadian Citizens of legally owned firearms"
"A Conservative Government recognizes that civilian firearms ownership is a Canadian Heritage."
"A Conservative Government would streamline Firearms classification by adopting the Simplified Classification System"
"A Conservative Government would order a review of firearms related laws to identify parts that have no public safety value."
The motion passed with near 100% support from the membership.
This past weekend a motion was passed modifying the CPC Policy on firearms ownership;
"A Conservative Government will not deprive Canadian Citizens of legally owned firearms"
"A Conservative Government recognizes that civilian firearms ownership is a Canadian Heritage."
"A Conservative Government would streamline Firearms classification by adopting the Simplified Classification System"
"A Conservative Government would order a review of firearms related laws to identify parts that have no public safety value."
The motion passed with near 100% support from the membership.