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Ok, that’s awesome!!
Yes Greenland is strategically located and rich in minerals, and yes both Denmark and America are members of NATO (as are 30 others currently), and yes America already has its Space Police depot on Greenland, and yes…like across the Middle East or Germany, etc…it could have more bases in Greenland if both Denmark/Greenland and America agreed to that.
So I’m still waiting for the justification as to why the United States must “own” Greenland to prevent Russia or China from occupying it if it’s already part of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization defence pact?
Yes Greenland is strategically located and rich in minerals, and yes both Denmark and America are members of NATO (as are 30 others currently), and yes America already has its Space Police depot on Greenland, and yes…like across the Middle East or Germany, etc…it could have more bases in Greenland if both Denmark/Greenland and America agreed to that.
So I’m still waiting for the justification as to why the United States must “own” Greenland to prevent Russia or China from occupying it if it’s already part of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization defence pact?
The European Parliament has been debating legislative proposals to remove many of the EU's import duties on U.S. goods - the bulk of the trade deal with the U.S. - and to continue zero duties for U.S. lobsters, initially agreed with Trump in 2020. It was due to set its position in votes on January 26-27, which the MEPs said should now be postponed.
(Many lawmakers have complained that the U.S. trade deal is lopsided, with the EU required to cut most import duties while the U.S. sticks to a broad rate of 15%)
However, freezing the deal risks angering Trump (not America), which could lead to higher U.S. tariffs. The Trump administration has also ruled out any concessions, such as cutting tariffs on spirits or steel, until the deal is in place.
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(YouTube & NATO Collapse and the Greenland Invasion Fantasy)
(Many lawmakers have complained that the U.S. trade deal is lopsided, with the EU required to cut most import duties while the U.S. sticks to a broad rate of 15%)
However, freezing the deal risks angering Trump (not America), which could lead to higher U.S. tariffs. The Trump administration has also ruled out any concessions, such as cutting tariffs on spirits or steel, until the deal is in place.
EU assembly weighs freezing US trade deal over Trump's Greenland threats — Reuters
The European Parliament is considering putting on hold the European Union's implementation of the trade deal struck with the United States in protest over threats by U.S. President Donald Trump to seize Greenland.
Congressman Fine Introduces Greenland Annexation and Statehood Act to Strengthen U.S. National Security and Put Our Adversaries on Notice
Today, Congressman Fine (FL-06) introduced the Greenland Annexation and Statehood Act, landmark legislation focused on securing America’s strategic national security interests in the Arctic and countering the growing threats posed by China and Russia.
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"I know there are real, deep concerns here in Denmark and in Greenland. These concerns are understandable when trust is shaken. But I believe saner (?) heads will prevail," the New Hampshire Senator Jeanne Shaheen, a Democrat on the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee said in remarks shared ahead of a speech in Copenhagen.
The delegation includes Republican Senators Thom Tillis and Lisa Murkowski (whom I’m assuming will be persuaded to announce their resignations soon?) though it is largely composed of Democratic lawmakers.
US lawmakers arrive in Copenhagen to counter Trump's Greenland threats — Reuters
A bipartisan delegation of U.S. lawmakers will meet the leaders of Denmark and Greenland on Friday to reassure them of congressional support, despite President Donald Trump's threats to seize the Arctic island.
Just 17% of Americans approve of President Donald Trump's efforts to acquire Greenland, and large majorities of Democrats and Republicans oppose using military force to annex the island, a Reuters/Ipsos poll found. Trump has called the poll "fake".
There is no rational basis for Mr. Trump’s security concerns, as the U.S. already has full access to Greenland under the 1951 defence agreement. The fact that there is only one U.S. military base on Greenland is the result of choices, made by the Pentagon, based on expert assessments that there is no state-to-state threat to Greenland.
The 1951 Defense of Greenland agreement granted the U.S. the right to expand its military presence in Greenland far beyond World War II levels. The largest addition was the construction of Thule Air Base (now Pituffik Space Base) in Greenland’s frozen north, which was manned by more than 10,000 U.S. troops at the height of the Cold War. In 1951, NATO directed the U.S. and Denmark to negotiate a treaty that would provide for the mutual defense of both Greenland and “the rest of the North Atlantic Treaty area.”
The U.S. could construct military installations, house troops and operate with near-total immunity in its “defense areas” within Greenland. The 1951 agreement included language recognizing “the sovereignty of the Kingdom of Denmark” and “the natural right of the competent Danish authorities to free movement everywhere in Greenland.”
Although the U.S. greatly reduced its military presence in Greenland after the end of the Cold War, the 1951 defense agreement remains in effect. The pact was last amended in 2004 to recognize Greenland’s Home Rule government (established in 1979) but not to restrict U.S. military operations on the island. Denmark’s claim is unimpeachable. In the 1951 Defense of Greenland Agreement with Denmark, the US unambiguously recognizes ‘the sovereignty of the Kingdom of Denmark’ over Greenland.
Gets weirder.
Trump threatens tariffs against those who oppose him taking Greenland — Guardian US
President raises pressure on European allies as US envoy says deal to take island ‘should and will be made’
Donald Trump has threatened to impose tariffs on countries (you know, like NATO countries in a defence pact with Denmark, like the U.S. is also) that do not “go along” with his plan to annex Greenland, increasing pressure on European allies who have opposed his effort to take over the Arctic territory.
After a tense week in which Nato allies deployed troops to the largely autonomous territory, which is part of the Danish kingdom, the US president announced he might punish countries that do not support his plans to take over Greenland, using force if necessary?
Earlier, Trump’s special envoy to Greenland said a deal for Washington to take over the island “should and will be made” as a US congressional delegation visited Copenhagen in a show of support for Denmark and Greenland. United front and all, etc…
The above batshit crazy behaviour of entitlement sure offers a perspective on these below allegations of entitled behaviour:
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You mean the Northwest Greater American Passage? Or the Greater American Northwest Passage?
Then Trump would need to own Mexico down to at least (& through) Panama, to then call it the Greater North AMERICAN Union of States?
But…but that doesn’t include Venezuela and it’s non-regime change, and then America will absolutely have to have Germany (for its strategic value, of course) for the military national security of America…& then probably a big chunk of the Middle East from Israel east to about Pakistan…(Pakistan can keep Pakistan) for security reasons of course because if they don’t take it then China or Russia is going to, right?
Oh damn, totally forgot about Spain and Morocco. Absolutely have to have Spain in Morocco for their strategic value for American something something…Uhm, yeah, for American national security! That’s right, & Egypt to for the same reason America need to own Panama so that they have the matching set.
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Oh, I watched Scott Moe‘s head snap over when Carney above stated that. The short video of that reaction is in post number 70 above, about here in the vid.
They played the Trump card and stepped into the spot. No longer a theory or conspiracy. It's wide open.
U.S. President Donald Trump says countries that do not support American control of Greenland may be hit with tariffs on trade.Gets weirder.
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Trump threatens tariffs against those who oppose him taking Greenland — Guardian US
President raises pressure on European allies as US envoy says deal to take island ‘should and will be made’
Donald Trump has threatened to impose tariffs on countries (you know, like NATO countries in a defence pact with Denmark, like the U.S. is also) that do not “go along” with his plan to annex Greenland, increasing pressure on European allies who have opposed his effort to take over the Arctic territory.
After a tense week in which Nato allies deployed troops to the largely autonomous territory, which is part of the Danish kingdom, the US president announced he might punish countries that do not support his plans to take over Greenland, using force if necessary?
Earlier, Trump’s special envoy to Greenland said a deal for Washington to take over the island “should and will be made” as a US congressional delegation visited Copenhagen in a show of support for Denmark and Greenland. United front and all, etc…
The above batshit crazy behaviour of entitlement sure offers a perspective on these below allegations of entitled behaviour:
Buddy sure doesn’t understand what the word “no” means, and blurbs like, "When you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything...Grab 'em by the pussy."Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations - Wikipedia
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Trump made the remarks Friday during an event at the White House about rural health care, because rural health care, continuing his threat to take over Denmark’s territory.
He made the comment while speaking about threatening European allies such as Germany with tariffs on pharmaceutical drugs, because…Denmark? Greenland? Maybe…Venezuela? Cuba? I bet it’s pharmaceutical drugs ‘cuz Panama!!
“I may do that for Greenland too,” Trump said. “I may put a tariff on countries if they don’t go along with Greenland, because we need Greenland for national security. So I may do that,” he said. Not America, but Trump.
It is the first time the President has spoken of using economic threat in relation to Greenland’s future, but we’ve see that with the 51st State Golden Dome rhetoric with Canada.
Trump has maintained Greenland needs to be under U.S. control for national security reasons after claiming China and Russia have interests in the Arctic island.
On Wednesday, Trump was asked if he was willing to leave the NATO alliance if the U.S. takes over Greenland?
“Certainly I’m not going to give up options but Greenland is very important for the national security including of Denmark,” he told reporters in the Oval Office…but if Trump (or America via Trump even though it’s a NATO member) takes Greenland, does he then get to choose what options he retains?
“And the problem is there’s not a thing that Denmark can do about it if Russia or China wants to occupy Greenland but there’s everything we can do. We found that out last week with Venezuela.” Hmmm…that’s almost threatening…
Nice continent sized island you’ve got there. Be a shame if anything should happen to it…
So…if Trump wants/needs/one way or another including by force…gets Greenland ‘cuz he doesn’t understand the word “No” as it’s become apparent…then what?
Does America forfeit its military bases across Europe that it has due to…NATO, like the jump off hub of Germany (?) or the strategic ports in Britain and Spain and Italy, etc…? What about America’s military stockpiles in the NATO nations that NATO host nations would then hold in the legal framework of “Finders Keepers Losers Weepers & possession is 9/10 of the law” or something along those lines?
(While modern warships generally rely on returning to port to replenish their Vertical Launch System (VLS) cells, the U.S. Navy has recently demonstrated the ability to reload large missiles at sea, though it remains a complex, high-risk, and experimental, rather than routine, procedure…so phew…technically this is possible I guess, beats traveling all the way back to America every a “reload” is required)
Then, would anybody (any nation) even outside of NATO want an American base on their soil? Middle East…looking at you!
Can’t see this improving America’s projection of force. Not unless
Who’s going to “willingly” play with America if it annex’s one of its allies where it currently has a military base?
A growing, bipartisan contingent of lawmakers in Washington believe that Trump’s insistence that the U.S. take Greenland over the objection of Denmark, Greenlanders and other NATO allies is a boon for Russia and President Vladimir Putin — and strains an already fractious NATO alliance.
Trump doesn’t need to seize Greenland to counter Russia. The U.S. has military bases on the island and has traditionally worked closely with Denmark on security.
Instead, some see dubious claims about imminent Chinese and Russian aggression as one of several pretexts for some future action, up to and including a military strike, & not on China or Russia, but on an ally.
The president and administration officials have also suggested the United States needs Greenland for its Golden Dome missile defense shield, “economic security” and access to minerals — all areas where Denmark has signaled an openness to stronger collaboration already.
“The President's arguments about Greenland are self-evidently bullshit from top to bottom,” said Jeremy Shapiro, a former State Department official during the Barack Obama administration who’s now research director at the European Council on Foreign Relations in Washington.
And European officials note that if Trump was so concerned about Russian aggression he has ample ways to address that — most notably in Ukraine, where allies have pleaded for the president to take a harder line against Putin since he returned to office.
Instead some fear that Trump’s insistence on taking Greenland and his refusal to rule out a military takeover help Putin achieve his longtime aim of weakening Western alliances.
Trump’s latest threat (Against Denmark, not Russia) came Friday, when during an unrelated event on health care he suggested he could levy additional tariffs on the European Union if it blocks him from acquiring the territory. “Putin wants a weaker NATO,” said a second European government official. “Trump is giving it to him.”
Trump has often suggested that Putin is a man of peace as we’re approaching day 1425 of Russia’s “Special Military Operation into Ukraine,” even as Russia has increased its aerial bombardment of civilian targets and taken aggressive steps such as deploying a nuclear-capable missile earlier this month in a strike on Western Ukraine. This week, the president insisted again in an interview with Reuters that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is the main impediment to a peace deal.
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Over weeks of talks with Trump’s most trusted interlocutors, Zelenskyy has shown a willingness to make territorial concessions and to hold elections in exchange for postwar security guarantees from the U.S. Meanwhile, Putin has shown no willingness to negotiate, content to keep up the bombardment of Ukrainian cities despite having made only marginal gains over nearly four years of war.
“Russia thought it would take Kyiv in three days and has instead spent four years making very modest gains,” said a third European government official. “The idea that they have the bandwidth to challenge the West in Greenland is ludicrous.”
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“It is very, very clear at this point what Donald Trump is looking for, and it has nothing to do with security,” Shapiro said. “Has nothing to do with Russia. It has to do with his own personal aggrandizement, his sort of real estate mogul's view that the way that you achieve power and greatness is by [acquiring] land and by expanding the map of the United States. Anybody who believes that this is about Russians, about security and about Russia and China, is not paying attention.”
Some Republicans in Washington have dismissed the president’s fixation on taking Greenland as preposterous. As part of the Danish realm, Greenland is already protected by NATO’s Article 5, which deems any attack against a member nation an attack on the entire alliance. Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) predicted any military operation to seize the island would lead to impeachment and called Trump’s Greenland obsession “the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.”
In a blistering floor speech last week, Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) warned of “disastrous” consequences should Trump violate the sovereignty of a longtime ally, stating that doing so would amount to “incinerating the hard-won trust of loyal allies in exchange for no meaningful change in U.S. access to the Arctic.”
He was one of many to point out that beefing up security in Greenland is achievable without annexation. “I have yet to hear from this administration a single thing we need from Greenland that this sovereign people is not already willing to grant us,” he said.
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) told reporters after meeting with Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen that there is little public support among Americans for acquiring Greenland and hinted that broad majority of lawmakers would use congressional “tools” to oppose it, stating that it “is not a subject of Republicans versus Democrats.”
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Trump doesn’t need to seize Greenland to counter Russia. The U.S. has military bases on the island and has traditionally worked closely with Denmark on security.
Instead, some see dubious claims about imminent Chinese and Russian aggression as one of several pretexts for some future action, up to and including a military strike, & not on China or Russia, but on an ally.
The president and administration officials have also suggested the United States needs Greenland for its Golden Dome missile defense shield, “economic security” and access to minerals — all areas where Denmark has signaled an openness to stronger collaboration already.
“The President's arguments about Greenland are self-evidently bullshit from top to bottom,” said Jeremy Shapiro, a former State Department official during the Barack Obama administration who’s now research director at the European Council on Foreign Relations in Washington.
And European officials note that if Trump was so concerned about Russian aggression he has ample ways to address that — most notably in Ukraine, where allies have pleaded for the president to take a harder line against Putin since he returned to office.
Instead some fear that Trump’s insistence on taking Greenland and his refusal to rule out a military takeover help Putin achieve his longtime aim of weakening Western alliances.
Trump’s latest threat (Against Denmark, not Russia) came Friday, when during an unrelated event on health care he suggested he could levy additional tariffs on the European Union if it blocks him from acquiring the territory. “Putin wants a weaker NATO,” said a second European government official. “Trump is giving it to him.”
Trump has often suggested that Putin is a man of peace as we’re approaching day 1425 of Russia’s “Special Military Operation into Ukraine,” even as Russia has increased its aerial bombardment of civilian targets and taken aggressive steps such as deploying a nuclear-capable missile earlier this month in a strike on Western Ukraine. This week, the president insisted again in an interview with Reuters that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is the main impediment to a peace deal.
Trump’s stated reasons for taking Greenland are being picked apart — POLITICO
Trump claims he wants to counter Russia, but allies say threatening Denmark plays right into Putin's hands.
“Russia thought it would take Kyiv in three days and has instead spent four years making very modest gains,” said a third European government official. “The idea that they have the bandwidth to challenge the West in Greenland is ludicrous.”
Republican dissent as key figures warn Trump against Greenland pursuit — Guardian US
Congressional Republicans criticize ‘absurd’ idea as polls show most Americans oppose taking control of territory
Some Republicans in Washington have dismissed the president’s fixation on taking Greenland as preposterous. As part of the Danish realm, Greenland is already protected by NATO’s Article 5, which deems any attack against a member nation an attack on the entire alliance. Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) predicted any military operation to seize the island would lead to impeachment and called Trump’s Greenland obsession “the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.”
In a blistering floor speech last week, Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) warned of “disastrous” consequences should Trump violate the sovereignty of a longtime ally, stating that doing so would amount to “incinerating the hard-won trust of loyal allies in exchange for no meaningful change in U.S. access to the Arctic.”
He was one of many to point out that beefing up security in Greenland is achievable without annexation. “I have yet to hear from this administration a single thing we need from Greenland that this sovereign people is not already willing to grant us,” he said.
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) told reporters after meeting with Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen that there is little public support among Americans for acquiring Greenland and hinted that broad majority of lawmakers would use congressional “tools” to oppose it, stating that it “is not a subject of Republicans versus Democrats.”
Protesters rally in Denmark and Greenland against Trump annexation threat — Reuters
Protesters in Denmark and Greenland demonstrated on Saturday against President Donald Trump's demand that the Arctic island be ceded to the U.S. and called for it to be left to determine its own future.
What if it’s anyone except America…like maybe…Denmark? Or maybe some other EU country?
WEST PALM BEACH ADJACENT, Florida (AP) — President Donald Trump said Saturday that he would charge a 10% import tax starting in February on goods from eight European nations because of their opposition to American control of Greenland, setting up a potentially dangerous test of U.S. partnerships in Europe.
Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands and Finland would face the tariff, Trump said in a social media post while at his golf club in West Palm Beach Adjacent, Florida. The rate would climb to 25% on June 1 if no deal was in place for “the Complete and Total purchase of Greenland” by the United States, he said.
The Republican president appeared to indicate that he was using the tariffs as leverage to force talks with Denmark and other European countries over the status of Greenland, a semiautonomous territory of NATO ally Denmark that he regards as critical to U.S. national security.
“The United States of America is immediately open to negotiation with Denmark and/or any of these Countries that have put so much at risk, despite all that we have done for them,” Trump said on Truth Social.
Trump is scheduled to travel on Tuesday to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, where he likely will run into the European leaders he just threatened with tariffs that would start in little more than two weeks.
Trump says he'll charge 8 European countries a 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland — The Canadian Press
WEST PALM BEACH, Florida (AP) —
Not even touching on the whole NATO thing, there are immediate questions about how the White House could try to implement the threatened tariffs because the European Union is a single economic zone in terms of trading, according to a European diplomat who was not authorized to comment publicly and spoke on the condition of anonymity. It was unclear, too, how Trump could act under U.S. law, though he could cite emergency economic powers that are currently subject to a U.S. Supreme Court challenge.
Thousands of protesters in Denmark and Greenland demonstrated on Saturday and called for Trump to leave the Arctic island to determine its own future.
Trump says Greenland is vital to U.S. security because of its strategic location and mineral deposits, and has not ruled out using force to take it, raising alarm in Europe at the prospect of direct confrontation between NATO states.
European leaders on Saturday warned of a "dangerous downward spiral" over Trump's tariff threat, vowing to uphold their backing for Greenland and Denmark's sovereignty. Ambassadors from the European Union's 27 countries will convene on Sunday to discuss their response to the tariff threat.
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"We live in extraordinary times that calls not only on decency but also great courage," Greenland cabinet minister Naaja Nathanielsen, responsible for the island's business, energy and minerals, said in a statement.
Greenland thanked European nations on Sunday for maintaining their support for the Arctic island despite being targeted by punitive tariffs from U.S. President Donald Trump who wants to annex the Danish-ruled territory.
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France, Germany, Britain and other European countries this week sent small groups of military personnel to Greenland at Denmark's request, prompting Trump to threaten trade tariffs on eight European allies until the U.S. is allowed to buy the island that’s not for sale.
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Trump's threat came just as the European Union was signing its largest ever free trade agreement, with South American bloc Mercosur, in Paraguay. Von der Leyen (President of the European Commission) said that the agreement sent a very strong signal to the rest of the world.
The European Parliament looks likely now to suspend its work on the EU-U.S. trade deal struck in July. "We choose fair trade over tariffs. We choose a productive, long-term partnership over isolation," she said.
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Many in capitals around the world will read Trump's social media announcement and question the functioning of American decision making.
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President Trump arrives to meet leaders of the allied countries whose economies he has just threatened at the World Economic Forum on Wednesday, so that’ll be interestingly interesting.
Trump says Greenland is vital to U.S. security because of its strategic location and mineral deposits, and has not ruled out using force to take it, raising alarm in Europe at the prospect of direct confrontation between NATO states.
European leaders on Saturday warned of a "dangerous downward spiral" over Trump's tariff threat, vowing to uphold their backing for Greenland and Denmark's sovereignty. Ambassadors from the European Union's 27 countries will convene on Sunday to discuss their response to the tariff threat.
Trump's Greenland tariffs prompt calls for unprecedented EU counter-measures — Reuters
The European Union faced calls on Sunday to implement a never-before-used range of economic counter-measures known as the "Anti-Coercion Instrument" as part of the bloc's response to U.S. President Donald Trump's tariff threats against European allies over Greenland.
Greenland thanked European nations on Sunday for maintaining their support for the Arctic island despite being targeted by punitive tariffs from U.S. President Donald Trump who wants to annex the Danish-ruled territory.
Dutch minister calls Trump's Greenland tariff threat 'blackmail' — Reuters
The Netherlands' foreign minister on Sunday said that U.S. President Donald Trump's threat to impose new tariffs on European allies until they agree to sell Greenland to the United States is "blackmail".
Greenland welcomes European response to Trump's tariffs — Reuters
Greenland thanked European nations on Sunday for maintaining their support for the Arctic island despite being targeted by punitive tariffs from U.S. President Donald Trump who wants to annex the Danish-ruled territory.
The European Parliament looks likely now to suspend its work on the EU-U.S. trade deal struck in July. "We choose fair trade over tariffs. We choose a productive, long-term partnership over isolation," she said.
Faisal Islam: Trump's Greenland threats to allies are without parallel — BBC News
The US president's latest threats will baffle the leaders of allied nations, writes the BBC's economics editor.
U.S. congress members visit Denmark to support Greenland
A bipartisan U.S. Congress delegation began a visit to Copenhagen on Friday to voice support for Denmark and Greenland after U.S. President Donald Trump threatened to take over the Arctic island, an autonomous Danish territory.
Good morning all. What if Trump's Greenland game is really just another bait and switch tactic? What is he really after?
Another question someone mentioned, If Greenlanders were to have a free vote, would a super majority vote to become part of the US
Another question someone mentioned, If Greenlanders were to have a free vote, would a super majority vote to become part of the US