Government kills independent science body

captain morgan

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I think the Feds prefer investing in real things like: PTRC - Petroleum Technology Research Centre instead of groups that sit around and talk about ****.


... And hold hands and sing kumbaya and talk about how the world would be a great place if we all just drank the kool-aid.

Yeah, I've seen so many of them come and go; the latest being Suzuki (thankfully)
 

petros

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I wonder if Suzuki has ever visted the PTRC? I hang out there from time to time and have seen some big names in politics and industry float through but never a greenie.

You figure they'd be in there like dirty shirts and paying close attention to the sustainable developement of energy in real time with real R&D.
 

Cabbagesandking

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Only about one sixth of our electricity comes from coal. Again, we don't use much coal.

Lack of money changes behaviour.
Canada is about eighth in electricity production in the world. Therefore it uses a lot of coal even if only one sixth is from coal. In Alberta, almost three quarters is from coal.
 

captain morgan

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I'm sure they're making a point before they go, but they've been releasing similar reports for a while now.

They've had 20 years to do something and only when their funding gets cut, do they start to perform in some manner. I have no sympathy for them; basically, they were a gvt agency that was spawned from political patronage and now they see that their pay cheques are gone.

Chances are that they are crapping their pants with the realization that they will have to make a living in the private sector and that kind of lack luster performance will land them in the EI office within a few months as opposed to milking the taxpayer for decades at a time

I wonder if Suzuki has ever visted the PTRC? I hang out there from time to time and have seen some big names in politics and industry float through but never a greenie.

You figure they'd be in there like dirty shirts and paying close attention to the sustainable developement of energy in real time with real R&D.


He might have drove by it in his diesel bus while on tour to fleece eh true believers on his annual trips
 

Cabbagesandking

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The head of NRTEE is a Mulroney appointee and an assistant or advisor to him. As well as to one of the current CPC ministers. It has never "sat around." And, it, because of its conservative bent has never done all that is in its mandate, focusing more on the economic side than the environmental Although it has done good work on that, too. It produces regular reports that this government ignore since, as in everything, it wants only to hear what it already believes.

Ironically, and what true Conservatives have not realised, this is one more episode in the distacing of the CPC fro conservative ideals. It is a break from its own past that it pretends is conservative.
 

petros

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March 20, 2012

PTRC Accepts Carbon Sequestration Leadership Forum’s Global Achievement

Award from Governments of Canada and Saskatchewan

Today at the Petroleum Technology Research Centre’s main offices in Regina, Saskatchewan, the

Honourable Joe Oliver, Canada’s Minister of Natural Resources, and the Honourable Dustin

Duncan, Saskatchewan’s Minister of the Environment, presented Dr. Malcolm Wilson – CEO of the

PTRC – with a
Global Achievement Award from the Carbon Sequestration Leadership Forum

(CSLF).

The award, which was originally accepted by Natural Resources Canada at the CSLF’s Annual

Meeting in Beijing, China in September of last year, was given to the PTRC and the IEAGHG

Weyburn-Midale CO
2 Monitoring and Storage Project, which is the largest CO2 storage project in

the world with an estimated 21 million tonnes of stored carbon dioxide. The PTRC accepted the

award as the manager of the project on behalf of all scientists and partners involved with the

research. Both the Government of Canada and the Government of Saskatchewan have been

significant financial contributors towards the research conducted in the project.

The CSLF – which granted the award – is a ministerial-level international climate change initiative

marshalling worldwide resources to develop technologies for the separation, capture, transport and

long-term storage of CO
2 from power plants and industrial facilities. Its membership includes 25

developed and developing nations – all united in seeking practical and constructive ways of dealing

with concerns about CO
2 and climate change.

An earlier press release on the awarding of the CSLF Global Achievement Award to the IEAGHG

Weyburn-Midale CO
2 Monitoring and Storage Project appeared at the PTRC’s website in

September, and is still available at:
http://www.ptrc.ca/siteimages/CSLF%20Release_Final.pdf
 

mentalfloss

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They've had 20 years to do something and only when their funding gets cut, do they start to perform in some manner. I have no sympathy for them; basically, they were a gvt agency that was spawned from political patronage and now they see that their pay cheques are gone.

Like I said, they've been releasing these reports for their entire tenure. Just because you don't like the content of the reports doesn't prove your b.s. hypothesis about some recency effect.
 

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Sitting around and talking about sh*t is useless when money is better spent on real hands on R&D.

You mean like how public scrutiny successfully got our majority government to cancel it's silly pedophile law?

Yes, public awareness is completely useless.

Clearly. :roll:
 

Cabbagesandking

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What should we do to lower our 1.5% of global emissions?

1.5% reflects the recession that reduced our percentage from the almost 2% of three years earlier and is the 2010 figure.. I suspect that we are edging back up towards the 2% now.

Even at 1.5% we are about eighth in the world in total emissions. We emit more than every European country except Germany and Germany has a far lower per capita rate.

What it every country with only around 1.5% said the same thing?

Incidentally, Canada is first or second in per capita emissions: depending on what year is taken as the base.
 

Cabbagesandking

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The Government may be investing in CCS but its motives are pure cynicism. It does so, and wastes a great deal of YOUR money for the purpose of supporting the pretext that it is acting on CO2 emissions.

Even Shell Oil has said that CCS will not be in wide use until mid century. It cannot be even used to an extent that would make any noticeable difference until it is too late.

Apart from that, the technology as it stands, is pretty useless. Dependent on where and how, it uses up to 40% more electricity anc creates that much more in emissions. About one third is, if I remember correctly, the average.

Added to that is the danger of leakage and the uncertainty of long term storage.

The only sequestration that is viable at this time is Cap and Trade: setoffs. Paying other nations for afforestation and similar ways. This government is ideologically opposed to that.
 

Cabbagesandking

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I want to know what the IPCC and WWF are going to do about this?

Yellowstone Super Volcano is about to Erupt?
All that the IPCC can do is to carry out its mandate of preparing the reports of the state of the science for World governments. It is up to those governments to go beyond the sspplication for votes in the next election and consider future generations and the very future of the Planet.

The WWF can do nothing other than help bring this to the attention of peoples deceived by their political overlords.
 

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There are no economical and viable alternatives that are readily available.

That's nonsense. I gave an example, moving from coal to natural gas is an alternative. Germany has switched to alternatives as well, driving their emissions down by over 20%, without killing their economy. Heck, they're bailing out other economies.

Lack of money changes behaviour.

So does having more. Changing tax rates changes the amount of money a person or business has. It's not the direction of the change that changes behaviour, it's the change itself.
 

petros

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That's nonsense. I gave an example, moving from coal to natural gas is an alternative. Germany has switched to alternatives as well, driving their emissions down by over 20%, without killing their economy. Heck, they're bailing out other economies.
Where did you get the idea nat gas was a better option?