Good manner and morale in the Quran

[eanassir]

Confounding and mixing the truth with falsehood​

I was raised Christian ... today I no longer call myself a Christion. ... I could not honour Sharia Law ...
Sharia Law

The answer to this post lies in the Quran 3: 71

يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لِمَ تَلْبِسُونَ الْحَقَّ بِالْبَاطِلِ وَتَكْتُمُونَ الْحَقَّ وَأَنتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ​

The explanation:
(O people of the Bible [lit. Scripture], why do you confound the truth [about Mohammed] with [your] falsehood, and conceal the truth [about his description in your Books], the while you well know [that he is truthful?])

There have been many books and many web sites spreading such anti-Islam and anti-Quran propaganda; their purpose is to impede the Islam progress and spreading inside their communities.

The answer to all such points of dispute lies in the books of the late interpreter of the Quran and Bible: Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, some of which are found at our web site:
www.quran-ayat.com

And by God's help, I shall reply to his objections one by one, and explain the true from the false.​

 

[Omicron]

Sharia Law

1- Jihad, defined as “to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion,” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.
2- A Caliph can hold office through seizure of power meaning through force.
3- A Caliph is exempt from being charged with serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape.
4- A percentage of Zakat (charity money) must go towards jihad.
5- It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust.
6- A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male.
7- The Muslim public must remove the Caliph if he rejects Islam.
8- A Muslim who leaves Islam must be killed immediately.
9- A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of: 1) an apostate 2) an adulterer 3) a highway robber. Vigilante street justice and honor killing is acceptable.
10- A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim, but will get it for killing a Muslim.
11- Sharia never abolished slavery, sexual slavery and highly regulates it. A master will not be punished for killing his slave.
12- Sharia dictates death by stoning, beheading, amputation of limbs, flogging even for crimes of sin such as adultery.
13- Non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims under the law. They must comply to Islamic law if they are to remain safe. They are forbidden to marry Muslim women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their scriptures or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals. They are forbidden from building new churches or building them higher than mosques. They may not enter a mosque without permission. A non-Muslim is no longer protected if he leads a Muslim away from Islam.
14- It is a crime for a non-Muslim to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Muslims. Non-Muslims cannot curse a Muslim, say anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam, or expose the weak points of Muslims. But Muslims can curse non-Muslims.
15- A non-Muslim cannot inherit from a Muslim.
16- Banks must be Sharia compliant and interest is not allowed.
17- No testimony in court is acceptable from people of low-level jobs, such as street sweepers or bathhouse attendants. Women in low level jobs such as professional funeral mourners cannot keep custody of their children in case of divorce.
18- A non-Muslim cannot rule — even over a non-Muslim minority.
19- Homosexuality is punishable by death.
20- There is no age limit for marriage of girls. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and can be consummated at age 8 or 9.
21- Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her, gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home.
22- Divorce is only in the hands of the husband and is as easy as saying: “I divorce you” and becomes effective even if the husband did not intend it.
23- There is no community property between husband and wife and the husband’s property does not automatically go to the wife after his death.
24- A woman inherits half what a man inherits.
25- A man has the right to have up to 4 wives and none of them have a right to divorce him — even if he is polygamous.
26- The dowry is given in exchange for the woman’s sexual organs.
27- A man is allowed to have sex with slave women and women captured in battle, and if the enslaved woman is married her marriage is annulled.
28- The testimony of a woman in court is half the value of a man.
29- A woman loses custody if she remarries.
30- To prove rape, a woman must have 4 male witnesses.
31- A rapist may only be required to pay the bride-money (dowry) without marrying the rape victim.
32- A Muslim woman must cover every inch of her body, which is considered “Awrah,” a sexual organ. Not all Sharia schools allow the face of a woman exposed.
33- A Muslim man is forgiven if he kills his wife at the time he caught her in the act of adultery. However, the opposite is not true for women, since the man “could be married to the woman he was caught with.”
34-It is obligatory for a Muslim to lie if the purpose is obligatory. That means that for the sake of abiding with Islam’s commandments, such as jihad, a Muslim is obliged to lie and should not have any feelings of guilt or shame associated with this kind of lying.

Good grief that's depressing... as depressing as Christian-right getting stuck on anachronistic bits of the Old Testament which if implemented as a life-style make existence so boring and glum.

In my experience, people who are naturally goodhearted feel frustrated by such restrictions preventing them from doing all they could for the betterment of humankind and the planet, whereas those whom if set free would feel it the natural default to be violent and oppressive cannot justify in their own mind being at least semi-sociable unless their socio-theocratic rule-system feels subjugating.

 

[eanassir]

1- Jihad, defined as “to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion,” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.
4- A percentage of Zakat (charity money) must go towards jihad.

The Jihad or Holy War​

I seek God's help against the disbeliever.

Jihad: such definition you gave is not precize.

The Jihad is to defend the religion of God and to struggle to make the cause of the religion dignified and lofty.

It does not mean the transgression or to fight people who do not fight the Islam religion; as in the Quran 2: 190

وَقَاتِلُواْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ الَّذِينَ يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ وَلاَ تَعْتَدُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يُحِبِّ الْمُعْتَدِينَ​

The explanation:
(Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. God does not love aggressors.)

And if the enemy attacks the country of Muslims, the Jihad becomes compulsive on everyone capable of defending and fighting.

Such instruction is not invented or annovated by the religion of the Islam; in fact it was prescribed for the past nation of the Children of Israel also.

Like those who fought together with Josue son of Nun, Saul under the instructions of Prophet Samuel and Prophet and King David in their wars agaisnt the idolaters who worshipped the idols and associated them with God Almighty.

And it is true that part of the Zakat tax should be dedicated to the Jihad.

If Mohammed is truthful in his prophet-hood, then why did he use war and fighting in his mission?
[: the Jihad or Holy War]
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1- Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.
2- A Caliph can hold office through seizure of power meaning through force.
3- A Caliph is exempt from being charged with serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape.
5- It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust.
6- A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male.
7- The Muslim public must remove the Caliph if he rejects Islam.

The Caliph​

This term was invented by Muslims for the ruler who rules the entire Islamic countries following the death of Prophet Mohammed – salam be to him – and such term is not revealed in the Quran.​

Of course his duty as the ruler of Muslims, is to fight in the cause of God and defend the country against the enemy and to help the cause of God and the religion of God against the idolatry and the association with God.​

It is not revealed that the Caliph should come by force seizure of power as you said.​

The caliph is governed by the law of God and he is not "exempt from being charged with serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape." This is obviously a lie against God's religion and God's law; no one is exempt from submitting to God's law.​

" It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph" on condition he does not contradict the commands of God. If he contradicts the command of God, then no obedience is due to him.​

6- A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male.
True.​

7- The Muslim public must remove the Caliph if he rejects Islam.
True.​

Moreover, it is not necessary the ruler is called caliph or another title; the important thing is that he should observe God's law revealed in the Quran.​

www.quran-ayat.com​

 

[Omicron]

The Jihad or Holy War​

I seek God's help against the disbeliever.

Jihad: such definition you gave is not precize.

The Jihad is to defend the religion of God and to struggle to make the cause of the religion dignified and lofty.

It does not mean the transgression or to fight people who do not fight the Islam religion; as in the Quran 2: 190

وَقَاتِلُواْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ الَّذِينَ يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ وَلاَ تَعْتَدُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يُحِبِّ الْمُعْتَدِينَ​

The explanation:
(Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. God does not love aggressors.)

And if the enemy attacks the country of Muslims, the Jihad becomes compulsive on everyone capable of defending and fighting.

Such instruction is not invented or annovated by the religion of the Islam; in fact it was prescribed for the past nation of the Children of Israel also.

Hmm... well... one of Mohammed's issues wasn't that he saw anything wrong with Judaism or Christianity per se, rather, he was annoyed at how the original intent and meaning of the teachings of Moses and Jesus had become corrupt by self-serving Pharisees and Bishops who'd twisted the meanings of scripture to serve their materialistic career-objectives.

That means that those Jews and Christians who shed the corruption of apostate interpretations of their scriptures will be de-facto advocates of the religion of the God of Abraham, striving to make the cause of the religion dignified, which means that according to what you're saying here, sincere Jews and Christians are: 1) Exactly the people whom you should *not* be Jihading against, and 2) Are as justified as you to defend themselves if attacked by others attacking their faith; yeah would even be required by the will of God to defend themselves, which means you can't act surprised if you suicide-bomb yourselves on them and they hit back.

By the way... did you know that a lot of people in the west have never noticed that you're suicide-bombing each other more than you are Christians and Jews? :violent1:

If you think suicide bombing is going to intimidate people in the west, you'd better learn something about western history...

Specifically, during WW-II, Japanese kamikazes did indeed have a terribly debilitating effect on the psyche of American, Canadian and European soldiers; the western fighters really didn't know how they were supposed to react.

That triggered research - refined during the Korean war - leading to modern training that includes methods for dealing with the psychological nuttiness of suiciders. The soldiers still don't like it , but they know how to not let it freak them out like it used to.

 

[eanassir]

9- A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of: 1) an apostate 2) an adulterer 3) a highway robber.

False.

11- Sharia never abolished slavery, sexual slavery and highly regulates it. A master will not be punished for killing his slave.

The Quran enhanced the freeing of slaves, enjoined that and considered it a most high righteous act.

Nothing as sexual slavery is mentioned -- this is a lie and forgery.

"A master will not be punished for killing his slave." False.

He will be punished but not by killing unless he kills 2 slaves or one slave and one free female or 2 females; but will be killed for killing one free male.
On the other hand, he will be punished for killing a slave undeservedly but he will not be killed.

12- Sharia dictates death by stoning, beheading, amputation of limbs, flogging even for crimes of sin such as adultery.

False.
In the Quran, the punishment of the adulterer and the adulteress who are not married: is by lashing them each one hundred lashes.
Crushing the head with a stone may be prescribed for the married adulterer and the adulteress.

 

[Eutaphodia]

You know, there as many denomination of Islam as there are denominations of Christianity, and they can be as radically different in their interpretation of the Quran as various Cristian denominations can be in their interpretation of the Bible.

You can't lump them all together any more than you can lump all Christian denominations together.

This is a very important statement for the rest of the world to understand - "there as many denomination of Islam as there are denominations of Christianity, and they can be as radically different in their interpretation of the Quran."

Also the statement of Confounding and mixing the truth with falsehood is also very true and the reason for posting the 34 laws of Sharia. It would be nice if someone of the Muslim faith could go through each law, 1 to 34 and advise what is true or false.

We must keep in mind many people may be of Christian, Jewish or Muslim faiths, but are not practicing their faith. Thanks for your feed back

 

[eanassir]

Now I shall leave and go to sleep, and return another time by God's will. :sleepy2:

 

[Omicron]

Now I shall leave and go to sleep, and return another time by God's will. :sleepy2:

arighty...now...

I just spent the evening with some Koreans. Some extremely rich Koreans.

It's amazing what one can do when retired upon a business capable of paying its own bills.

My fury is tremendous. All I did was cook a dish of good food to get the princess relaxed in order to feel comfort, and then she got it. Bloody hell... civilization works. You morons in Islamibad don't know anything about Asian power and their princess.

You ****holes don't know anything about the secret place I have in Canadian mountains to die, and *you* eanassar are talking to us like a Scott Muslim.

Now I shall leave and go to sleep, and return another time by God's will. :sleepy2:

Right, so it's nice to see you waking up again.

I tried to do trade with you, but you sloughed off.

Let's see if you got the nuts for this? Let's see a Fatah for Canada. Not the USA... Canada.

Bring forth your greatest Iman for how to describe a Fatah for Canada.

We are not the USA.

Lets hear what you have to say.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

In the Quran, the punishment of the adulterer and the adulteress who are not married: is by lashing them each one hundred lashes. Crushing the head with a stone may be prescribed for the married adulterer and the adulteress.

Well, that's all very civilized, isn't it, quite apart from the fact that if you're not married it's not adultery. Adultery is voluntary sexual intercourse between someone who's married and a partner who is not the spouse, only a married person can be guilty of adultery. And sure, let's murder people for having ordinary human weaknesses. 100 lashes can certainly be fatal, depending on what you lash people with. I'd vote for using a wet noodle. Religious standards of behaviour are impossible, the core message of the major monotheisms is that you're a miserable unworthy sinner not fit to kiss Allah's little toe but he's such a generous, magnanimous character he'll let you into paradise anyway if you kiss his ass. Screw that. Boss, President, Prime Minister, monarch, deity, whatever, makes no difference, I will bow to none of them.

 

[Cliffy]

Well, that's all very civilized, isn't it, quite apart from the fact that if you're not married it's not adultery. Adultery is voluntary sexual intercourse between someone who's married and a partner who is not the spouse, only a married person can be guilty of adultery. And sure, let's murder people for having ordinary human weaknesses. 100 lashes can certainly be fatal, depending on what you lash people with. I'd vote for using a wet noodle. Religious standards of behaviour are impossible, the core message of the major monotheisms is that you're a miserable unworthy sinner not fit to kiss Allah's little toe but he's such a generous, magnanimous character he'll let you into paradise anyway if you kiss his ass. Screw that. Boss, President, Prime Minister, deity, whatever, makes no difference, I will bow to none of them.

Yes poor old eanassir finally spelled it out for us this time. Crush their heads in with rocks indeed. Prescribed by god even. Just proves what I have been saying all along: the greatest victory for Satan was to convince people he was god.

 

[Omicron]

In the Quran, the punishment of the adulterer and the adulteress who are not married: is by lashing them each one hundred lashes.

Crushing the head with a stone may be prescribed for the married adulterer and the adulteress.

As if you dummies would not be able to pull yourself out of the dumb mud.

So how about if only the smart Islams move here, and now about if I get to fish some research out of those broken heaten french canadians who never knew how to feel good?

I gave them what they want, and the result is real land, go sweet yourselves babies, I told your kids exactly what happened, and they use me exactly as the drop-in centers as what pays the bill in their minds.

Plus... I'm the only one who gives them clean food if they can find it in a refridgerator, and hammer them with science fact with the question they have to figure out of human heart feeling emotion is an interesting thing people do.

Sorry babe. Kids after the age of five grow up better with guys like me, when all I do is be logical with them and hire cheep Russian maids and tell them they got a piece of my fortune if my kids do not go insane.





In order to save Canada All the best Buddhist and Islam and Christian and Jewish leaders come here.

 

[eanassir]

I seek God's help against His enemy: the disbeliever.

(And say [Mohammed]: ​

"The true [religion of the Islam] has now settled, and the false [religion of the idolatry] has disappeared; ​

for the false [religion the idolatry and association] is inevitably bound to disappear.")​

The above between brackets is the meaning of the aya 17: 81

وَقُلْ جَاء الْحَقُّ وَزَهَقَ الْبَاطِلُ إِنَّ الْبَاطِلَ كَانَ زَهُوقًا​

14- It is a crime for a non-Muslim to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Muslims.

This is self-evident and obvious.​

Non-Muslims cannot curse a Muslim, say anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam, or expose the weak points of Muslims.

True; what's your objection?​

But Muslims can curse non-Muslims.

This is false and forgery. The Muslim should not transgress on others.​

15- A non-Muslim cannot inherit from a Muslim.

This is true, according to God's religion. The marriage and inheritance are according to God's religion; without God's religion, such things will not be justified.

16- Banks must be Sharia compliant and interest is not allowed.

The interest is not allowed absolutely and everywhere whether in banks or outside banks. The interest is not allowed in the Quran as is it not allowed in the Torah also.
Taking the Usury ​

17- No testimony in court is acceptable from people of low-level jobs, such as street sweepers...

This is not correct as you said; but the witness should be a just one, so that some persons like the gambler or the guide for the prostitutes …etc. should not be trusted to give testimony; this is may be an example.
The Drinking of Wine​

18- A non-Muslim cannot rule

Of course this is true for the Islamic government, which has to observe the cause of God's religion.​

19- Homosexuality is punishable by death.

False; only by several lashes.

20- There is no age limit for marriage of girls. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and can be consummated at age 8 or 9.

I don't think this is correct; because the girl has to give her voluntary agreement when asked by the judge of the marriage, and she then has to be adult; but the age of adulthood is about 14 years for the boy, and less than that for the girl. The age of adulthood is the age of becoming sexually alert and mature: when the signs of the adulthood will appear for both the boy and the girl; so at the age of adulthood the individual will be responsible about his / her acts.
And he will be responsible before God for his sins and good or evil deeds.​

www.quran-ayat.com​

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I seek God's help against His enemy: the disbeliever.

(We send not messengers but to bear glad tidings and to warn;
but those who disbelieve do only dispute with falsehood to disprove the truth, and they took – My signs [of revelation] and what they are warned of – as a jest.)​

The above between brackets is the meaning of the aya 18: 56​

وَمَا نُرْسِلُ الْمُرْسَلِينَ إِلَّا مُبَشِّرِينَ وَمُنذِرِينَ وَيُجَادِلُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِالْبَاطِلِ لِيُدْحِضُوا بِهِ الْحَقَّ وَاتَّخَذُوا آيَاتِي وَمَا أُنذِرُوا هُزُوًا​

Divorce is only in the hands of the husband and is as easy as saying: “I divorce you” and becomes effective even if the husband did not intend it.

This is not correct: the divorce has to be registered at court, and the husband has to intend it of course.​

the husband’s property does not automatically go to the wife after his death.

There is the law of inheritance according to God's instructions in the Glorious Quran; so that not all the wealth of the husband goes to his wife following his death;

but she will have the 1/8th of his wealth, which will also be distributed to his sons and daughters and his parents if they are still alive.

While the husband will have the 1/4th of the wealth of his wife following her death; the rest will be distributed to her sons, daughters and her parents if they are still living.

A woman inherits half what a man inherits.

This is not always true; but the brother will have the double of his sister's share following the death of their parents.​

www.quran-ayat.com

 

[Omicron]

Suppose an Islamic nation were to become as socialized as Sweden.

Would they be able to do it, or are the people for whom Islam was designed so naturally hostile that they would not be able to live that way in peace?

I am tired of this debate, because there is no significant difference between honest and sincere Christians, Jews, and Muslims... it's just different ways of getting the same message though to different people. Ever tried to explain something to someone, where they went "huh?", so you had to rephrase it in different words? The only reason you exist is because at a critical point in early Islamic history you had to take refuge under the wing of a Coptic Christian leader, so Christians are not your enemy.

Go ahead and be as Islamic as you want if it suits you, but you don't live in Canada, which means you're not telling us anything we don't already know, and which also means we are not going to fall back on Sharia law even if our civilization is destroyed by a holocaust of asteroids... we are a northern people prone to a form of justice and order allowing for things like women becoming warriors if they want to, which used to freak the bejeebers out of Romans when they tried to attack northern Europe... maybe it's a climate thing, but we're not doing Sharia, because it does not suit our common sense nor nature.

We have enough trouble already with Calif-wannabes not knowing how to have honest fun with women and therefore having to hurt them to make them "compliant" without some brain-damaged receptacle of neanderthal genes telling us to govern with Sharia law that could only make sense to Bedouins... a people so hostile that the rest of the middle-east kicked them into the desert.

Ever been to Singapore? It's an interesting place. It's like living in a nation governed by your mother-in-law. In it, the rich people all get along fantastically, regardless of religion, and the poor people also get along, griping to each other about the exploitation they feel, regardless of religion.

I have two questions.

First, what if the US had divided Iraq into three zones: East of the two rivers for Shi'ites, west of the two rivers for Sunni, and the land between the two rivers for people who can get along. Would that have worked?

Second, what if Iran were to become the overlord of those dickey little hostile republics that the Russians used to govern under the Soviet Union? They're called the 'stanis. Stalin drew the borders where they are to put people who hate each other together so if they split from the Soviet Republic they would descend into civil war.

What if the world were to resign itself to accepting that Iran is a real, fundamental people, such that if it were to become a power like France, then, like how France has a sphere of influence over north Africa, Iran would have a sphere of influence over the 'stani region?

Would it be able to keep the peace and engender a prosperous regional economy?

 

[eanassir]

Westerners, your conduct and manner is better than ours

It is a public convincing here is that the morale of the West is better than our conduct: they are more merciful than we are: their mercy extends to the animals: they deal gently with animals; and people of the West (Europe and America) have kinder hearts than ours.

I said to them: all people everywhere are God's servants; He knows the best among them to guide him to the devotion to God alone and so He will admit him to Heaven or Paradise. On the other hand, He knows best who among them is the wrong-doer so He will misguide him and this will be enthusiastic and associater and perish as an associater to deserve Hell, even if he is a Muslim by birth.

And people here say: The conduct in the West are the conduct of the Quran; as one of the past shiekhs of the Azhar academy in Egypt said: I went to the West, and found the conduct enjoined by the Islam but I did not find Muslims. While here in our countries, we find Muslims but we don't find the Islam or the Quran.

This I tell you as the trust in deputy. :love4:

 

[Omicron]

Westerners, your conduct and manner is better than ours

It is a public convincing here is that the morale of the West is better than our conduct: they are more merciful than we are: their mercy extends to the animals: they deal gently with animals; and people of the West (Europe and America) have kinder hearts than ours.

I said to them: all people everywhere are God's servants; He knows the best among them to guide him to the devotion to God alone and so He will admit him to Heaven or Paradise. On the other hand, He knows best who among them is the wrong-doer so He will misguide him and this will be enthusiastic and associater and perish as an associater to deserve Hell, even if he is a Muslim by birth.

And people here say: The conduct in the West are the conduct of the Quran; as one of the past shiekhs of the Azhar academy in Egypt said: I went to the West, and found the conduct enjoined by the Islam but I did not find Muslims. While here in our countries, we find Muslims but we don't find the Islam or the Quran.

This I tell you as the trust in deputy. :love4:

Gosh, I'm sure many in the west will feel touched by this statement... but... uhh... are you trying to be sarcastic?

What does the phrase "This I tell you as the trust in deputy" mean? Deputy of what?

 

[eanassir]

Gosh, I'm sure many in the west will feel touched by this statement... but... uhh... are you trying to be sarcastic?

What does the phrase "This I tell you as the trust in deputy" mean? Deputy of what?

Many in the West may feel touched: this is out of their kindness.
I am not sarcastic; I am serious.
That phrase means: I should convey it to you honestly.

 

[TenPenny]

Interesting comparison between Christianity and Islam.

Australian lawyer smokes pages of Bible and Koran, asking 'Which is best?' - Telegraph

 

[Omicron]

Interesting comparison between Christianity and Islam.

Australian lawyer smokes pages of Bible and Koran, asking 'Which is best?' - Telegraph

Mr Stewart, a member of an atheist group in Brisbane, has begun a period of leave following a meeting with his employers today. He insists he wasn't smoking drugs in the video but had sprinkled grass cuttings into the rolled up pages.


Uh huh... so he was rolling grass in pages of holy books and smoking it in order to see which is a better media for spiritual enlightenment.


Given how in all cases, printed scripture are just letters on paper, it's as a good a way as any to determine which is more "true" and/or provides better "enlightenment".


"The university is obviously extremely, extremely unhappy and disappointed that this sort of incident should occur," Queensland University of Technology vice-chancellor Peter Coaldrake said.
Islamic groups urged Muslims not to react to the provocation


And therein lies the asymmetry.


Conservative Christians might feel offended, and will call him a jerk, but they don't have to be told not to freak out.


"There is no need for this kind of thing, just to create disunity and disharmony among people living in Australia," said Sheik Muhammad Wahid, president of the Islamic Association of Australia.

Again, the asymmetry.

If he'd done that with pages of the Bible, the Baghavad Ghit (Hindu), or Tripitaka (Buddhist), then between everyone, some would have laughed and others would have called him an irreverent jerk, but why does it have to be that for Muslim and Muslims only does one have to worry about a hot-head picking up a Kattara and freaking out.

That gets so tiresome.

By the way, I saw a great comedy the other day... it's Tere Bin Laden (2010)

Check it out when you're in the mood for a hillarious popcorn movie.

 

[eanassir]

Nemrood the foolish

I remember I saw a movie: I think it was the Ten Commandments, but I am not certain.

A tyrant of Babylon; he built the tower of Babil, then he took an arrow and threw it towards the heaven; and was immediately punished; so we shall soon very soon see how God Almighty take revenge on his trivial enemies. Be alert and expectant. :thumbup:

 

[taxslave]

Nemrood the foolish

I remember I saw a movie: I think it was the Ten Commandments, but I am not certain.

A tyrant of Babylon; he built the tower of Babil, then he took an arrow and threw it toward the heaven; and was immediately punished; so we shall soon very soon see how God Almighty take revenge on his trivial enemies.

Another week has gone by and your god still hasn't dropped by for tea. Could be you are praying to a false idol.