Good manner and morale in the Quran

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eanassir, where can i obtain a Quran as a non-muslim?

CUBert, here is the English translation of the meaning of the Quran by a non-Muslim translator: A J Arberry. (Although it is much defective translation, and I don't agree about much of it.)

Arberry Quran translation

And at our site www.quran-ayat.com you find some valuable books about the Quran interpretation by the inspired interpreter, Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, may God's mercy be on his soul.
 

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"I seek refuge ... from the evil of that which He created."
Allah is the creator of evil. We must try to avoid Allah's evil creations. 113:1-2

Nonsense. Gods didn't create anything. And if they did, they'd not be stupid enough to create something they didn't want.

Only religious people help orphans or those in need. 107:1-3

An obvious lie. I'm decidedly not religious, yet I've helped many people in need. I know more people like me, too. ;) I must be really wicked:
Disbelievers are wicked people. On the last day they will be in darkness and have dust on their faces. 80:40-42 Dust on my face? Good thing for showers.

Allah plots against non-Muslims. 86:16

Always a pleasant activity.
 

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No E.A. Nassir, what this atheist, and others before me, say is that if your god is so vain as to need my subjugation, then it is a false god. A person who has done a good deed doesn't need to be praised in order to feel good about their good deed. If your god cannot even attain this level of dignity, than it is less than human, not more.

Not at all, Niflmir; God is not vain and does not do anything in vain.

What is the difference between man and God?

Concerning man, the pride is not good; because he is dirty, ignorant and defective; but to God the pride is due: because He deserves and is worthy of the pride and greatness: He is without any defect, and His majesty is lofty.

We people speak about equality among people, but to God He is uncomparable to any being.
No one is equal to God: the one that considers any being as equal to God: this one is the associater who associates others with his Lord.

God is Just, and the subjugation to God means the man agrees about justice, and if not then he is so proud and is a wrong-doer in fact. So the one that does not obey God: he is either a wrong-doer who does not agree about justice or is so proud over other people and may consider himself like God. Or wants to be worshipped apart from God.

If a man does good work then wants others to praise him: this is not good for man: he is not modest, he wants to show others that he is good and wants others to praise him; while in fact the one that deserves the praise is God.

How this is:
If a man gives alms to a poor man, then from where he obtained his money: God gave him the money, so God is the One that deserves the praise.
Moreover, it is God Who guided that man to be kind-hearted and felt pity for that poor.
In addition, God will reward the man that gave the alms ten folds in this World and 700 folds in the afterlife and more.
Then God brought that poor to that kind man in order that he gives the alms and so God will reward him: God wants good for this alms giver.

So who deserves the praise: man or God?

Another example: a man given knowledge and he teaches his students, so they praise him.
Here, it is God that gave him the knowledge and science: He gave him reason and mind and intelligence, and He made his affairs easy until he obtained his degree in science then he started to teach others. Also, he gave that teacher the tongue to speak with in addition to lips, jaws, mouth, teeth and larynx so that he could teach others.
So who deserves the praise in fact man or God?
Certainly God Who made the mother kind to her child to suckle him and take care about him, and the son should be kind to his parents and grateful to them.
But Who inserted the kindness in the heart of the mother to be kind to her baby; it is God That deserves the praise and He demands that from man, although He does not need the gratitude of all His creation.

www.quran-ayat.com
 
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Only religious people help orphans or those in need. 107:1-3

An obvious lie. I'm decidedly not religious, yet I've helped many people in need. I know more people like me, too.


I'll just adress this one quote. The passage referred to is talking about people that go to Church and say their prayers but do NOT do small kindnesses. Has NOTHING to do with non religious people or that only religious people help those in need.
 

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The good behavior, manner, conduct, morale in the Quran

Some people here and elsewhere on intention say the Quran is savage, wild, violent, no conduct, no good morale, no humanity, no kindness … while the atheist and idolater are the humanity lover and they practice all kindness and mercy towards the poor and weak!

Here is the wisdom in the Quran 17: 22-39


لاَّ تَجْعَل مَعَ اللّهِ إِلَـهًا آخَرَ فَتَقْعُدَ مَذْمُومًا مَّخْذُولاً . وَقَضَى رَبُّكَ أَلاَّ تَعْبُدُواْ إِلاَّ إِيَّاهُ وَبِالْوَالِدَيْنِ إِحْسَانًا إِمَّا يَبْلُغَنَّ عِندَكَ الْكِبَرَ أَحَدُهُمَا أَوْ كِلاَهُمَا فَلاَ تَقُل لَّهُمَآ أُفٍّ وَلاَ تَنْهَرْهُمَا وَقُل لَّهُمَا قَوْلاً كَرِيمًا . ..الخ


The explanation:
The devotion to God alone
([O man] set not up with God another god, or you will sit condemned and forsaken.

Kind dealing with parents
[Mohammed] your Lord decreed, that you [people] must worship none save Him, and [that you must show] kindness to parents; when one or both of them attain old age in your [home, O man]; then do not say to them any word of boredom, nor chide them, but speak to them respectful words.

And lower to them the wing of humility out of compassion, and say: "My Lord, bestow on them Your mercy even as they cherished me in childhood."

Your Lord knows best that [you hide] within yourselves if you are righteous, then [surely] He is Ever Forgiving for those who always revert.

Kindness to the kindred
And render to the kindred their due rights, as [also] to the needy, and to the wayfarer;

No squandering of the wealth
but squander not [your wealth] in the manner of a spendthrift.
Surely, spendthrifts are brothers of devils, and the devil was ungrateful to his Lord.

Other ways of kindness to the kindred
And in case you turn away from them, seeking for a mercy that you hope of your Lord, then speak to them a reasonable word.

Neither squandering nor restriction of the wealth
And let not your hand be bound to your neck nor open it so widely, lest you come to be blamed and denuded.

[Mohammed,] surely, your Lord gives provision in abundance to those of His servants whom He will, or He doles it out. Surely, He is All-Aware and All-Seeing of His servants.

No murder of children because of penury
And slay not your children for fear of penury; We will provide for them and for you, surely; to slay them is ever a great sin.

No adultery
And approach not [women for] adultery; for it is ever an indecent [deed] and an evil [way.]

No murder is allowed
And kill not the soul which God has forbidden save by a right [cause]. Whoso is slain wrongfully, We have given power to his heir, but let him not commit excess in slaying; surely, he will be helped to overcome.

Care about the orphan
Approach not the wealth of the orphan save in that which is best, till he reach puberty,

Fulfilling the covenant
and fulfill the covenant; surely the covenant is ever inquired of.

Be just in weighing and measuring for people
Give full measure in case you measure out, and weigh with the standard weight; that is better and fairer in practice.

Don't spy about people
And do not go after that about which you [man] have no knowledge; for the hearing, the sight and the [spiritual] heart, of all these it shall be inquired.

Don't be so proud
And walk not upon the earth exultantly; certainly you [man] will never tear the earth open, nor attain the mountains in height.

All this is ever evil and abhorred in the sight of your Lord.

That is [some] of the wisdom your Lord has revealed to you [Mohammed]; set not up another god with God, or you will be cast into Hell, dispraised and driven away.)




The basic line I got was much the same as christianity: Wee have the one true god and will kill anyone that does not agree with us.
I will make you the same offer I made to Yukon Jack. That is when you bring your god to my house for tea and a toke I will believe she exists and all the other religions are liars.

Not at all, Niflmir; God is not vain and does not do anything in vain.

What is the difference between man and God?

Concerning man, the pride is not good; because he is dirty, ignorant and defective; but to God the pride is due: because He deserves and is worthy of the pride and greatness: He is without any defect, and His majesty is lofty.

We people speak about equality among people, but to God He is uncomparable to any being.
No one is equal to God: the one that considers any being as equal to God: this one is the associater who associates others with his Lord.

God is Just, and the subjugation to God means the man agrees about justice, and if not then he is so proud and is a wrong-doer in fact. So the one that does not obey God: he is either a wrong-doer who does not agree about justice or is so proud over other people and may consider himself like God. Or wants to be worshipped apart from God.

If a man does good work then wants others to praise him: this is not good for man: he is not modest, he wants to show others that he is good and wants others to praise him; while in fact the one that deserves the praise is God.

How this is:
If a man gives alms to a poor man, then from where he obtained his money: God gave him the money, so God is the One that deserves the praise.
Moreover, it is God Who guided that man to be kind-hearted and felt pity for that poor.
In addition, God will reward the man that gave the alms ten folds in this World and 700 folds in the afterlife and more.
Then God brought that poor to that kind man in order that he gives the alms and so God will reward him: God wants good for this alms giver.

So who deserves the praise: man or God?

Another example: a man given knowledge and he teaches his students, so they praise him.
Here, it is God that gave him the knowledge and science: He gave him reason and mind and intelligence, and He made his affairs easy until he obtained his degree in science then he started to teach others. Also, he gave that teacher the tongue to speak with in addition to lips, jaws, mouth, teeth and larynx so that he could teach others.
So who deserves the praise in fact man or God?
Certainly God Who made the mother kind to her child to suckle him and take care about him, and the son should be kind to his parents and grateful to them.
But Who inserted the kindness in the heart of the mother to be kind to her baby; it is God That deserves the praise and He demands that from man, although He does not need the gratitude of all His creation.

www.quran-ayat.com
Pure clap trap. I, as a tradesman take pride in my work. Not to do so would be a poor excuse for a tradesman. I also take pride in my volunteer work in the community knowing that I am able to do some small part in helping someone else that may very well be having the worst day of their life.
 

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I also take pride in my volunteer work in the community knowing that I am able to do some small part in helping someone else that may very well be having the worst day of their life.

That wouldn't happen to be one of those pesky tree huggers you tried to run down with a pick up, per chance? Just wondering.
 

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The basic line I got was much the same as christianity: Wee have the one true god and will kill anyone that does not agree with us.

No one said this to "kill anyone that does not agree with us."

Pure clap trap. I, as a tradesman take pride in my work. Not to do so would be a poor excuse for a tradesman. I also take pride in my volunteer work in the community knowing that I am able to do some small part in helping someone else that may very well be having the worst day of their life.

This is not the pride which I meant; the pride is to be proud over other people: boasting to them and man feels himself higher than others in position and esteem. This is opposite of being modest and feeling like other people.


"I seek refuge ... from the evil of that which He created."
Allah is the creator of evil. We must try to avoid Allah's evil creations. 113:1-2

Nonsense. Gods didn't create anything. And if they did, they'd not be stupid enough to create something they didn't want.


These websites depend on the ambiguous ayat of the Quran: they go to such ayat in order to divert people from the way of God. The answer to such points that they assert is at our website www.quran-ayat.com and in the interpretation by the late interpreter Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly who was inspired the wisdom included in the Glorious Quran.


This is the aya 113: 1-2

قُلْ أَعُوذُ بِرَبِّ الْفَلَقِ .مِن شَرِّ مَا خَلَقَ

The explanation:
(Say [O Mohammed]: "I seek refuge [with God] the Lord of the [nuclear fission, in the sun],"
"From the evil of that He has created,")

It means: from the hurt of any creature that may cause any evil.

That is because God created snakes, scorpions, wild animals and all other people that may cause harm or danger to man; therefore, man asks God's protection from the evil of anything He created and may cause harm or danger to man; so what's in this?

God created these creatures like snakes, scorpions and wild animals in order that He may set on the atheists, disbelievers and idolaters or associaters. And it will be to frighten any transgressor that if he transgresses, then God will set on him the evil of many creatures that He created.


Only religious people help orphans or those in need.
An obvious lie. I'm decidedly not religious, yet I've helped many people in need. I know more people like me, too. I must be really wicked:



These are the ayat 107: 1-3

أَرَأَيْتَ الَّذِي يُكَذِّبُ بِالدِّينِ .فَذَلِكَ الَّذِي يَدُعُّ الْيَتِيمَ . وَلَا يَحُضُّ عَلَى طَعَامِ الْمِسْكِينِ

The explanation:
(Have you considered him who denies 'the punishment and the reward' [in the afterlife.]
It is he who thrusts the orphan [away from his rights.]
And never urges [people] to feed the needy.)

None can allege himself good or righteous; God only knows who is best among his creatures: kind to the poor, the needy and the weak. See my post #73 and the explanation of the ayat 90: 5-20 in that post.

Disbelievers are wicked people. On the last day they will be in darkness and have dust on their faces.
80:40-42 Dust on my face? Good thing for showers.

These are the ayat 80: 40-42

وَوُجُوهٌ يَوْمَئِذٍ عَلَيْهَا غَبَرَةٌ .تَرْهَقُهَا قَتَرَةٌ . أُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الْكَفَرَةُ الْفَجَرَةُ


The explanation:
(And some faces, on that day, shall be covered with blackness and depression.[because of the difficulties and hard circumstances that they encounter in the afterlife world of souls.]

Overburdened with straitened livelihood [of the after-death world.]

Such are the disbelievers [in their religions], the evil-doers [in their work.])



These are the ayat 86: 15-16

إِنَّهُمْ يَكِيدُونَ كَيْدًا .وَأَكِيدُ كَيْدًا


The explanation:
(Surely, they are devising plots [against you, Mohammed.]

But, I [too] am plotting [My] plots [to exterminate them gradually.])


That is because they tried to kill Prophet Mohammed, and God saved him from their design and turned their plotting against them.

 
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Did I hear someone mention 'good manners' and 'Quoran' in the same sentence?


You cannot hear.

This is according to the Quran 18: 100-101


وَعَرَضْنَا جَهَنَّمَ يَوْمَئِذٍ لِّلْكَافِرِينَ عَرْضًا .الَّذِينَ كَانَتْ أَعْيُنُهُمْ فِي غِطَاء عَن ذِكْرِي وَكَانُوا لَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ سَمْعًا


The explanation:
(On that day [of Doom], We will expose Hell to disbelievers, to be in their way.

Those whose eyes were under a veil from My admonition [included in the revelations], and who were unable even to hear [them.])

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About good morale in the Quran:
Repel the transgression with a better conduct

It is mentioned in the Quran 41: 34-35


وَلَا تَسْتَوِي الْحَسَنَةُ وَلَا السَّيِّئَةُ ادْفَعْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ فَإِذَا الَّذِي بَيْنَكَ وَبَيْنَهُ عَدَاوَةٌ كَأَنَّهُ وَلِيٌّ حَمِيمٌ . وَمَا يُلَقَّاهَا إِلَّا الَّذِينَ صَبَرُوا وَمَا يُلَقَّاهَا إِلَّا ذُو حَظٍّ عَظِيمٍ .وَإِمَّا يَنزَغَنَّكَ مِنَ الشَّيْطَانِ نَزْغٌ فَاسْتَعِذْ بِاللَّهِ إِنَّهُ هُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ

The explanation:
(Not equal is [the rewarding of people for] the good conduct, nor is the evil [conduct in requital by them];

then [O Mohammed] repel [the evil conduct] with a better [conduct], then one – between whom and you is enmity – [will become] as it were your friend [and] intimate.

This [kind of conduct: the repelling of the bad act with a better conduct] is not given but to the steadfast, and none is given [such conduct] but one having a great portion [of intelligence and wisdom.]

If a provocation from Satan should provoke you [Mohammed, against your people], then seek refuge in God [from the porvokation of Satan]; [for] it is He [God] Who is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.)


It means: Deal with them in better ways than their words and transgression on you; and such manner of behavior: the reaction with good conduct against the transgression and bad conduct of people; such manner of behavior is a great fortune for the intelligent man; because the enemy will convert into a friend if you deal with him in a good way in stead of his bad way of behavior.

And such manner of behavior is given by God only to those that forbear patiently and they indeed are very much lucky: because of the reward by God and because of the love of people: people will love such man and the enemy will change into an intimate friend.
 
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Maybe it does teaches good moral and manner, but so what?

ITS NOT THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD.

And Mohammed didn't die for my sins and make me right with God, Jesus did. As recorded by eyewitnesses in God's TRUE inspired word, the bible.
 
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Islam is the greatest threat to mankind since the beginning of time.


Islam is the greatest threat to the tyrany and worngdoers everywhere as is it the greatest threat to the false doctrines and the false and distorted religions (And for this reason they are afraid of the Islam .)

So they are afraid of it lest their sons, and their peoples will convert when they discern the truth about the Glorious Quran and the devotion to God alone as The First Commandment declares.

In other words: Freedom will give way to spreading of the Islam which will disprove the false religions of the idolatry, enthusiasm, associating others with God, and atheism.

Maybe it does teaches good moral and manner, but so what?

ITS NOT THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD.

And Mohammed didn't die for my sins and make me right with God, Jesus did. As recorded by eyewitnesses in God's TRUE inspired word, the bible.


This is what you assert, which is not true.

However, neither Mohammed nor Jesus saved people merely for that they came and spoke to people.

Jesus, Mohammed and all other apostles may save only those who followed them according to the religion of God, and they cannot save those who disbelieve in God alone without associate.

This is like all other apostles and does not concern Jesus in particular who is in fact the son of man i.e. a human being like all the rest of people as the title implies.

In other words: Jesus surnamed himself "The son of man" because he knew that some people will be enthusiastic about him; therefore, he declared in many instances (more than 70 sites in the Gospel that
Jesus is only a son of man, no more than this: a human being; as the strange title implies.)
 
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First. Jesus is the son of man and the son of GOD. You know this but wish to play semantics. He is the son of GOD (i.e. his is GOD) born as a man. He was born as a man for all the reasons that have been preached before.

Second. Islam is the greatest threat to all mankind as I stated above. A genuine threat to all living souls - good or bad.

Third. You are correct about false doctrines and distorted religions. It is for this reason that Islam is such a threat to the world. It is unfortunate that you cannot comprehend that your very religion, Islam, is one of the false teachings that we were warned about in the scriptures where it says, "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves".

To deny Jesus is to deny GOD himself. You do that when you reduce him to merely an apostle or prophet. Mankind was warned by GOD to be watchful and to recognize the false prophets and teachings that will appear in the future. Which is why I am calling you and your religion out. You have been detected. Long ago. And again. Now.

Again, it is unfortunate that you do not realize you are professing the same false doctrine that we were warned about so long ago.
 

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My religion is better than your religion. My dogma is more inspired than your dogma. Your religion is a false religion and you are going to hell because god is on my side - thllltttzzz!!!

There is no religion or belief system that is good for everybody. Just because you believe something does not necessarily make it true. The law says freedom of religion. Everybody is guaranteed the freedom to worship in any way they feel is right to them. To think that your religion is superior is an egotistical mind trap. If a Christian in America had been born in the Middle East instead of here, they would probably be Muslim and pointing at Christians and saying they are wrong. The only difference between Lithp and eanassir is the side of the world they live on and the culture they were born into.

As far as I'm concerned, if you were worshiping your gods as you are supposed to be you wouldn't have time to judge others. Besides, it is the law: "Judge not lest ye shall be judged".
 

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He is the son of GOD (i.e. his is GOD) born as a man.

This is not any logical. How can God the Creator of all the galaxies and the whole universe with its tremendous stars, dark matter ...etc. How can God be any man, while He is the Lord of heavens and earth?

While " God is not any man so that He will regret, nor any son of man so that He will forget."

This doctrine, that Jesus is God Himself, has not been told even by Jesus himself, but people invented it by the passing of generations, and it has not been precedented by any other religion nor told by any previous or later prophet or apostle.

There are many enthusiastic sects and doctrines among Jews and Muslims with some similar implications: among the past Jews, and among Muslims: some said certain persons had God embodied in them or they are God Himself, which is only the suggestion of Satan: the cursed one.


Second. Islam is the greatest threat to all mankind as I stated above. A genuine threat to all living souls - good or bad.

The Islam is the exclusive devotion to God alone without associate or son or daughter or parents or equal.
The First Commandment

Third. Islam, is one of the false teachings that we were warned about in the scriptures where it says, "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves".

The false prophets are those inviting people to the idols and the enthusiasm and to associate Jesus and the saints together with God Almighty and Most Gracious.

The false prophets are those like the false prophets of the idol Baal who were slain by Prophet Elia or Elijah.
They intended to kill Prophet Elia (Elijah)

While Prophet Mohammed invited people to worship God alone without associate and he believed in Jesus - salam be to him - as a prophet and apostle of God;

Prophet Mohammed - salam be to him - broke all the idols and constructed graves in Arabia, while your idols are erected now in your churches in contradiction to the First Commandment: (not to take any engraved image whatsoever to kneel to them and adorate them.)

And Jesus said that: he came to fulfil the will of his Lord That sent him.

The apostle lit. means "the sent one" or "the messenger".

To deny Jesus is to deny GOD himself.

Anyone that denies any apostle of God, including Jesus and Mohammed, is a disbeliever, like the one that exaggerates in the matter of the prophets, apostles, sains, sages, imams and others.
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Gee wiz... Jesus is GOD. It is mentioned over and over in the bible. It is not made up by mankind. Do I really have to quote all the times it is mentioned in the bible? It is mentioned several times. Period.

Ah what the heck here are some verses: John 1:1, Colossians 1:15, John 5:17, John 8:24, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 14:9, Philippians 2:5, 1 Timothy 3:16, Hebrews 1:8, Revelation1:8, .... and many more.

We were warned long ago about people like you who deny Jesus is GOD.

And as far as logic playing any role in whether or not he is GOD. Well... sorry but if he can create the universe and everything in it I'm pretty sure he can manage being in more than one place at one time. It may not be logical to you. But that's okay.

GOD was tortured to death and died on the cross. Yet he lives forever. Does that sound logical to you? Probably not. But our human minds are so simple compared to his widsom.

And for the record not all Christianity is Catholic. In fact quite the opposite. Obviously worshiping idols is wrong (but the catholics love doing it for some reason - although they call them icons and not idols- which is a joke!) . And reasonable christians don't pray to dead people (i.e. saints) - that's just plain silly. An no - the pope is not special. He is just some guy in Italy. He is no more special than you or me. Most christians know this. But the media continue to portray christianity as catholic.

Whatever the case may be we were all warned about Islam and its evil manifestations. For you see, The devil doesn't need you to worship him directly. And he won't come dressed as a blood thirsty savage beast. He will come speaking softly. He will be generous and compassionate. He will teach people about peace and love and have prophets and apostles.

Think about it for a minute. If the devil came to you appearing as a hellish beast would you run to him or away from him? So this is how he works: By diverting attention and loyalty to GOD and his son Jesus. You don't have to be an axe murderer to be a friend to the devil. You just have to deny Jesus is the son of GOD. Once you do that his work is done. Islam is just like this. They admit there was a Jesus but deny he is God. But that small variation from the truth is like a ship at see that goes off course by 1 degree. At the end of the journey that 1 degree will mean you have traveled way far away from your destination. Which is God.

This is why Islam is so dangerous -spiritually at least. As far as dangerous to mankind in general. Well, We've seen the beheadings and bombings and radicalism.
 

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Gee wiz... Jesus is GOD. It is mentioned over and over in the bible. It is not made up by mankind. Do I really have to quote all the times it is mentioned in the bible? It is mentioned several times. Period.

Ah what the heck here are some verses: John 1:1, Colossians 1:15, John 5:17, John 8:24, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 14:9, Philippians 2:5, 1 Timothy 3:16, Hebrews 1:8, Revelation1:8, .... and many more.


This proves what I said that Jesus himself did not say he is God.
The Gospel is only what Jesus said, and the available gosples now are the known four: Mat., Mark, Luke and John.

The other books that you mentioned are not the Gospel. Although they collected them in what they call the New Testament.

In addition, the texts that you mentioned from John have obviously been misinterpreted.

Moreover, many parts of the available Gospels are not authentic; the logical proof of this is that there are 4 texts which differ from each other, and sometimes contradict each other which cannot be attributed to the Christ that he said all that.

(It is not for any man [Jesus or any other one]that God should give him the Scripture, the judging [of people with justice] and the prophet-hood, and that he should then say to people "Be my servants rather than God's servants",

but: "Be rather God's servants by virtue of your [constant] teaching [people] the Scripture and of your [constant] study [thereof.]"

Nor would he [: the Christ or any other prophet] bid you take angels and prophets for lords. Would he bid you unbelieve when you are once resigned [to God?])

The above is the explanation of the Quran 3: 79-80


مَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَن يُؤْتِيَهُ اللّهُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحُكْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّةَ ثُمَّ يَقُولَ لِلنَّاسِ كُونُواْ عِبَادًا لِّي مِن دُونِ اللّهِ وَلَكِن كُونُواْ رَبَّانِيِّينَ بِمَا كُنتُمْ تُعَلِّمُونَ الْكِتَابَ وَبِمَا كُنتُمْ تَدْرُسُونَ . وَلاَ يَأْمُرَكُمْ أَن تَتَّخِذُواْ الْمَلاَئِكَةَ وَالنِّبِيِّيْنَ أَرْبَابًا أَيَأْمُرُكُم بِالْكُفْرِ بَعْدَ إِذْ أَنتُم مُّسْلِمُونَ


We were warned long ago about people like you who deny Jesus is GOD.

In fact Jesus warned against people speaking in his name, and that he will drive them away on Judgment Day: and say to them: I tell you the truth: I don't know you: away from me, evil-doers.

That is because they distorted his teachings from serving God alone according to the First Commandment (which is the most important of all the Commandments) to serving him and associating him with God in the worship and glorification.

And in fact Jesus Christ made the obvious distinction between God Almighty on one hand and himself the apostle of God on the other hand, which is asserted in all the 4 gospels: "Why do you call me good? One is Good: that is God."

A Call from God to the People of the Scripture :) the Bible)
 
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eanassir

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If Jesus was God as you claim, how could he be tested by Satan?
And if he was God as you claim, how did he learn the Torah of Moses?
And if he was God how could he eat food and relieve nature?
How did he die if he was God?
Why did he came in this strange way and suffer in order to remove the sins of people as you claim; while he could forgive them and that's it.
Your claim is only assertion of words without any logical proof.
 

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Jesus is God?

I thought Jesus was the son of God.

What religion are you discussing? Can't be Christianity.

Islam is the greatest threat to mankind since the beginning of time.

Where on earth do you come up with this silliness?

Islam is one of many religions.
It has some bizarre fanatical followers. It has millions of reasonable followers.

How can you consider it even a minor 'threat to mankind'?