How do you suppose you got here?
God is perfection. There are no exceptions. Paradise depends on evil as much as good else there would be no testing of souls.
God does not follow the first principle of morality. Why not?
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How do you suppose you got here?
God is perfection. There are no exceptions. Paradise depends on evil as much as good else there would be no testing of souls.
I see that you do not defendthe morals of your God in Job. Smart move.
As to A & E, free will.
What free will?
Tell us what happened to A& E the moment they did their will and not God's?
He threw a huge sissy fit.Right?
And murdered A & Ethrough neglect as he pulled a J W blood thing and kept them away from whatwould keep them alive. The tree of life.
A prick of a parent.
Right?
It was God's plan from thebeginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can bedemonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucifiedfrom the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucifyJesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damnedsin.
If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build intothe Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for aproblem you do not anticipate?
God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the diewas cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.
This then begs the question.
What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when therewas absolutely no need to?
Only an insane God. That’s who.
The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.
One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have doneto women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.
Women Part 1 - YouTube
Women Part 2 - YouTube
Holy Bible - Epic Fail - YouTube
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Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in thefall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.
That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices thatcaused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."
But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Freewill is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone wouldwant to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). Anexplanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerableto being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat aforbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the firstplace. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with anature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a responseto this problem.
If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we wouldhave at least some who would not sin.
Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am aGnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated.Evil is our responsibility.
Much has been written to explainwhat I see as a natural part of evolution.
Consider.
First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. Theseare unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent todo evil even as victims are created.
Evil then is only human to human.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete orcooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created.Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are eithercooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.
Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.
This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.
Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see thatwhat Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what wehave, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.
There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is howthings are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as wecompete and create losers to this competition.
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"you are a Gnostic Pagan. Pagans worship idols.. some made of stone.. some of ideology"
No quite. My ilk set asidethe Godhead we find and raise the bar of excellence and seek anew otherwise wefall into the same idol worship that you have fallen into. You have pasted yourbible pages all over a golden calf. It is hidden but the shape is quiteapparent.
Let's talk morals instead of speculative nonsense about a God that neither one of us can prove exists.
Regards
DL
With better morals than you can come up with for God.
No wonder you take pot shots and run with your tail tucked.
Regards
DL
Why would God need to test what he created?
Is he such a poor craftsman?
Regards
DL
That's a good question. So the soul descends from heaven loosing memory of origin at every level. The test is to return to heaven which may only be attained by recovering memory of that original position. School would be a better word than test or trial.Although the trials and tribulations of the marriage of energy and meat (matter) (clay) is mentioned frequently in lots of religious or early physics books we have forgotten what the marriae means. Energy cannot be destroyed they say but meat is finite. The mind is energy, not meat. If you don't want to go back to heaven fine, you can live in hell forever like the Harper demon.
Yep, going to continue to do just that.
But my goodness don't I wish these freaks would learn how to use spell check! It's hard enough to figure out the crack pot ramblings (I read when I'm bored) without having to second guess what word they're "attempting" to use. Attempting is in quotation marks for a reason.
At that time scents were not being used. Except for your posts on Jews. Then a different smell wafts thru the gibberish and hate that spews from what you refer to as a mouth. The rest of us have a differing name for that particular orifice.
Yep, going to continue to do just that.
But my goodness don't I wish these freaks would learn how to use spell check! It's hard enough to figure out the crack pot ramblings (I read when I'm bored) without having to second guess what word they're "attempting" to use. Attempting is in quotation marks for a reason.
Some seek e-famy, notoriety and attention. Usually they fall victim to e-cide before any proactive 'action' is ever required.
Just another shxt disturber- and wacked - being polite as this is not in the Members Lounge.
There is no need for anyone to "defend" God.
That is called free will. They made a choice, and they suffered the consequences of that choice. It is/was not up to our Heavenly Father to choose for us. God gave us the gift of free will and free choice for us to make those choices on our own.
No "sissy fit" was thrown. Consequences were handed out.
Wrong.
You're right, there was no need for Christ to be crucified...IF.... God had not given man free will. Adam and eve could have been good little automatons with no thoughts or will of their own. That, however is not how God planned it. Of course he knew the possible consequences of giving man his own head, and obviously did plan for it to give mankind another chance. God, and now his Son, has laid out the path for us to follow. It is up to us as to whether or not we follow that path. If we CHOOSE not to follow the path laid out for us, then it is our own fault and responsibility, NOT our Heavenly Fathers'.
No, man has done that. You really need to stop blaming God, Christ, and Christianity, for Man's faults.
That's exactly right.
The rest of your gibberish, is just that, gibberish.
Also, please define what a "gnostic Christian" is. I see nothing in your writings that would lead me to believe that you accept Christ as your saviour or that you follow his teachings.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small mindsdiscuss people. EleanorRoosevelt
Regards
DL
That's a good question. So the soul descends from heaven loosing memory of origin at every level. The test is to return to heaven which may only be attained by recovering memory of that original position. School would be a better word than test or trial.Although the trials and tribulations of the marriage of energy and meat (matter) (clay) is mentioned frequently in lots of religious or early physics books we have forgotten what the marriae means. Energy cannot be destroyed they say but meat is finite. The mind is energy, not meat. If you don't want to go back to heaven fine, you can live in hell forever like the Harper demon.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
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DL
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I see you are a " good little automatons with no thoughts"
Gnostic Christians do not believe in human sacrifice or punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.
When you are ready to shed such poor morals, we will chat about my God.
When you recognize that you follow a prick, then you will be ready to know what our true God is all about.
There is a simple parenting question above. Compare your answer to what the God you follow did.
Do try to show you can think.
Regards
DL
Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
Mathew 7:3
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No, you see nothing at all. You are blind.
Christ never punished the innocent, nor did he ever advocate such a position.
I also see you didn't answer the question. I will lay odds that the reason you side stepped it, is because you are full of shyte. You are anything BUT a Christian and only use the label to confuse and misdirect.
There is only one God, unfortunately, there are many misinterpretations by the misguided.
I would also very much prefer that you did not refer to God using the vulgar terms you are using.
If your God was not such a prick I would not say he is such a prick.
You say that God did not advocate punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.
Did he not demand a perfect sacrifice in the form of his own son?
That is advocating the punishment of the innocent instead of the guilty.
Deny your own dog**** dogma if you like.
Regards
DL