Global Warming: still the ‘Greatest Scam in History’

Cliffy

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Exactly! Winter in the Tropics isn't feet of snow but equates to the dry season. Zooming in on Indonesia looks horrible for fires as bad or worse as South America and Africa looks nasty too.
I should have put the first line in purple. I was being sarcastic. The fires in Brazil are human made but the rest of the world, particularly Siberia, are climate caused. The whole freaking world is on fire and people are arguing about who or what is responsible. We all are: our lifestyles, our mindless consumerism, our greed...


I really think that Earth would be better off without us.
 

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I should have put the first line in purple. I was being sarcastic. The fires in Brazil are human made but the rest of the world, particularly Siberia, are climate caused. The whole freaking world is on fire and people are arguing about whose responsible. We all are: our lifestyles, our mindless consumerism, our greed...


NO- the vast majority of the fires on the planet (or at least in Canada and the U.S.) are Idiot caused. Hot dry weather very seldom causes fires, just exacerbates them AFTER they get started!
 

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I should have put the first line in purple. I was being sarcastic. The fires in Brazil are human made but the rest of the world, particularly Siberia, are climate caused. The whole freaking world is on fire and people are arguing about who or what is responsible. We all are: our lifestyles, our mindless consumerism, our greed...


I really think that Earth would be better off without us.


What lifestyle do I have that starts fires? I walk a lot and I've yet to see a fire starting in my path! My vehicles don't emit sparks!
 

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Pete will denigrate anyone, any time for any reason.

It's called "swaggering arrogance".


It's very strange but he's never subjected me to it. I can see how you'd be involved, just by the way you treated pgs right off the bat by being an asshole!
 

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MHz

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The un-natural rate could be an attempt to kill off the plants that modern medicine is based on so there can never be any real competition. Or Big Pharma could be trying to accelerate the evolution of species so new meds can be developed by creating zones that are sterile because of the fires.
 

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The un-natural rate could be an attempt to kill off the plants that modern medicine is based on so there can never be any real competition. Or Big Pharma could be trying to accelerate the evolution of species so new meds can be developed by creating zones that are sterile because of the fires.


I think you are over thinking the situation. Five years or so of changes aren't necessarily a trend. People have to learn to relax, the sky hasn't budged an iota in 70 years I've been watching it!
 

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I think you are over thinking the situation.!
Putting options on the table allows for that. What is left after the sorting doesn't allow for speculation. I doubt there has been any fire suppression so that option is off to the side. Natural or man-made starts would be a big clue. The daily rain storms used to also have heavy rains that prevented fires from starting.
 

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http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0102-77862014000400002
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]3. RESULTS AND DISCUSSION[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The annual rainfall behavior during the delimited temporal scale showed a large variation, with a minimum of 1,296 mm in 1987 and a maximum of 2,492.8 mm in 1990. The average observed for the period was 1,868.4 mm, with a standard deviation of 302.29 mm. The annual rainfall distribution indicated that 52% of years had rainfall rates above average, among which 61.54% were concentrated on the first half of the observed period. In contrast, 48% of years showed rainfall below average rainfall, concentrated on the second half of the period, especially in the last eight years (Figure 1).[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The regression test revealed a significant decreasing polynomial tendency in rainfall due to deforestation (y = -0.3234x3 + 14.227x2 - 197.88x + 2600.2; R² = 0.46; p < 0.05).Similarly to this study, Debortoli (2009) pointed out a decreasing tendency in rainfall from the 1970s in Colíder (-6,064) and in some municipalities in northern Mato Grosso, including Alta Floresta (-7,262) and Itaúba (-10,057), both surrounding the study region. According to the author, this phenomenon is related to increased deforestation rates in the region, in the opposite direction to that observed in densely forested stations in latitudes of northwest Mato Grosso, which showed an increase in rainfall.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The average of dry and rainy days was 251 and 114 days, respectively. The year 1991 had the highest number of dry days (296 days), while 1996 had the highest number of rainy days (159 days) (Figure 2). In the municipality of Alta Floresta (Mato Grosso), Debortoli (2009) found out that 2007 was the driest year, with 248 dry days, whereas 1992 was the year with the highest number of rainy days (160 days). By comparing data from Alta Floresta and Colíder, which are bordering municipalities, one notices that the driest and rainiest years werenot the same, demonstrating different behaviors in relatively close areas.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Studies carried out by Rosa et al. (2007) revealed that, in a 10-year series, the rainfall behavior in central-western Mato Grosso was quite variable, where the highest rainfall levels (1,800 mm to 2,100 mm) occurred in the west, north, and south portions of the study area. It's worthy stressing that the heaviest rains were observed in the area's far west, comprising precisely the regions with denser vegetation cover.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The behavior of the average monthly occurrence of dry and rainy days (Figure 3) showed that the rainy period within this temporal scale was concentrated between October and April, and the driest period was concentrated between June and August. The months presenting the highest number of rainy days were January and March, with 18 rainy days each. In turn, the month showing fewer rainy days was July, with an average of 0.5 days.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]According to Ferreira (2001), Colíder presents a dry period lasting three months, from June to August, something which was explicitly observed in this study. This behavior is also observed in other municipalities of Mato Grosso, such as Cáceres (Pizzato et al. 2012) and Tangará da Serra (Dallacort et al. 2011).[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The rainfall levels observed during the 28 years (1983-2011) presented the [/FONT]β[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] parameter values of GPDF with variations of 17.96 in June and 74.89 in December, not exceeding 100, and the [/FONT]α[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] parameter of this function presented minimum values of 0.17 in July and maximum of 6.61 in February (Figure 4), thus the [/FONT]α[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] values are lower than the [/FONT]β[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] values.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The highest [/FONT]β[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] parameter value was found in December and January; the latter was the month presenting the most intense rainfall averages (320.79 mm) and the larger standard deviation (145.24 mm), indicating a greater variability in rainfall. The lowest values coincided with the months of lower rainfall volume in June and July, 5.56 mm and 8.19 mm, respectively (Table 1).[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The scenarios observed through GPDF corroborate several studies carried out in the state of Mato Grosso, such as those by Martins et al.(2010), Moreira et al. (2010), Fietz et al. (2011b) and Pizzato et al.(2012), where this model presented an adequate adjustment, being widely used for determining the probable rainfall.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]According to Furlan (2009), probability function adjustment studies using theoretical functions with regard to a set of climatic data have brought benefits to the planning of human activities related to the most varied sectors of society such as economy, environment, and, especially, agriculture and livestock.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Taking into account the cumulative totals of deforested area in the Amazon of Mato Grosso, a gradual increase in deforestation becomes quite evident within the period from 1989 to 2005 (13.17% p.y.), attenuating up to 2008 (2.75% p.y.), with a tendency to stabilize from this year on (0.86% p.y.) (Figure 5).[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]One found out, by determining Spearman's [/FONT]ρ[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] coefficient, that there's a negative correlation ([/FONT]ρ[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] = -0.45) between the regional deforestation data and the local rainfall rates. The test showed that the larger the deforested regional area (Amazon of Mato Grosso), the lower the rainfall rate observed by restricting the data analysis only to the decade in which the deforestation rate in Colíder reached a value about 80% (1989-1999), the test revealed a strong negative correlation between the variables ([/FONT]ρ[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] = -0.84) (Figure 6), demonstrating that the removal of vegetation cover implies a significant decrease in rainfall (Figure 7).[/FONT]
 

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Putting options on the table allows for that. What is left after the sorting doesn't allow for speculation. I doubt there has been any fire suppression so that option is off to the side. Natural or man-made starts would be a big clue. The daily rain storms used to also have heavy rains that prevented fires from starting.


Can't argue with that! I never lived anywhere that had daily rain storms!