Gitmo's 'gourmet fare'

[Vanni Fucci]

Just like your government think does not speak for the entire united states population, neither does the canadian government speak for all canadians...and I do not find any humor in people being tortured.

You're right, governments don't speak for all their citizens. It's unfortunate however that they represent them. Such being the case, Paul Martin represents all Canadians.

Neither do I, do you find humor in terrorists blowing up people?

Have you ever read anyone posting a light-hearted romp about suicide bombers ITN?

I find your posts about the quality of food in Gitmo reconciling the fact that the detainees are being tortured, some of the most offensive reading on this forum...and that torture is happening, and you f*cking well know it...so cut the crap...

 

[I think not]

Just like your government think does not speak for the entire united states population, neither does the canadian government speak for all canadians...and I do not find any humor in people being tortured.

You're right, governments don't speak for all their citizens. It's unfortunate however that they represent them. Such being the case, Paul Martin represents all Canadians.

Neither do I, do you find humor in terrorists blowing up people?

Have you ever read anyone posting a light-hearted romp about suicide bombers ITN?

I find your posts about the quality of food in Gitmo reconciling the fact that the detainees are being tortured, some of the most offensive reading on this forum...and that torture is happening, and you f*cking well know it...so cut the crap...

If you find it offensive you have the tools to delete it. I know of nothing that has been proven. Prove it.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

If you find it offensive you have the tools to delete it.

I've given you ample opportunity to stop your bullshit as a courtesy. It seems you are not receptive to such...

I must assume from your offensive posts that you are either:

1. Extremely childish (which I don't think is the case)

or

2. Purposely trying to incite my ire...in which case I caution you, that if you should choose to continue this course, I will ban you in a heartbeat...

Since you asked for "proof"...the following is far more evidence than was gathered against Bin Laden and al-Qaeda...and does include some undisputed confessions of guilt as well...

I know of nothing that has been proven. Prove it.

Then you know nothing at all...the Pentagon as ADMITTED engaging in torture of detainees...

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/guantanamobay-index-eng

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/guantanamobay-library-eng

http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/torture.htm

http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/gitmo1004/2.htm

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/9108

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/9074

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/9641

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/9929

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/printer_011405A.shtml

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121804X.shtml

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/10768

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/9992

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR511592002?open&of=ENG-CAN

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=17572&c=206

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8327660/

Any more dumbass requests?

 

[I think not]

If you find it offensive you have the tools to delete it.

I've given you ample opportunity to stop your bullshit as a courtesy. It seems you are not receptive to such...

I must assume from your offensive posts that you are either:

1. Extremely childish (which I don't think is the case)

or

2. Purposely trying to incite my ire...in which case I caution you, that if you should choose to continue this course, I will ban you in a heartbeat...

You can ban me if you wish Vanni. It's ok when you throw tantrums at me, but as soon as I snap back, you reign your authority.

As for your evidence, the US government has disputed it, so I choose not to believe it.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Gitmo's 'gourmet fare

The US government has alos disputed the fact that lied to the UN and the world about WMD. Of course the evidence that they lied is overwhelming. You live in a rogue state, ITN. Your leader is war criminal. Do the right thing and speak out.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

As for your evidence, the US government has disputed it, so I choose not to believe it.

I'll bet you were one of those people that still believ the whole WMD story too... :roll:

...and my anger has nothing to do with whether or not you snapped back...my anger is directed at your blase attitude towards the crimes against humanity that are being perpetrated by your military at the behest of your government...

If I were to say that the 911 victims deserved to die that day, that would probably set you off...and rightly so...

How is condoning the torture of those who have not been found guilty any different? How is supporting the flagrant contravention of the Geneva Convention any different.

Millions died in World Wars I and II to prevent crap like this from happening...and you're acting like it's one big joke...that it's ok for the US to torture whomever they wish, because they feed them quiche...

I thought you were bigger than that, ITN...I guess I was wrong...

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Gitmo's 'gourmet fare

The US government has alos disputed the fact that lied to the UN and the world about WMD. Of course the evidence that they lied is overwhelming. You live in a rogue state, ITN. Your leader is war criminal. Do the right thing and speak out.

It's pretty funny. All my life I have been center (and my early years on the left) and have never voted Republican. In November I thought the sky was falling when Bush was re-elected. I have spoken out since 2001 when he was sworn in as President. And in my social life, I am dead against him and his policies.

I have always stated I am against the war in the manner it was conducted. I have never said I was pro-Bush, EVER. But being anti-Bush means I have to put a pair of blinders on, and not look left or right. I have to believe everything the democraticunderground and indymedia spews, because they are right and the entire planet is being manipulated over the past 50 years by the US and some secret evil force lurking about the world.

Extremism is a bad thing Reverand Blair, whether it be on the left or on the right, and many on this board are extreme to the left, and I cannot agree to that as much as I can agree to with the extreme right.

I have to believe the Britsh government conducted the bombings to fuel the illusion of a "terror war". That Tony Blair and George Bush planned this whole thing out. I'm sorry but I'm not buying it. I'm not buying the lies GWB spews either, but I also have to believe that just as GWB lies, that the opposite side of the spectrum lies also.

So I find a common ground and try and balance things in my head. The war in Iraq was a mistake and in my opinion, it is a greater mistake to leave it the way it is. as for your comment the US is a rogue state, that is your opinion. GWB is out of control and thats all it is. You rush to judge what rights are being taken away from Americans. You expect me to believe you actually give a sh*t if our rights are taken away? You're just throwing fuel in the fire.

This is the direction the world will take, your extreme left and right views are anachronistic. We are the future, the centrists, because we have had enough with your bullshit.

 

[peapod]

right, and so is playing both sides think.

 

[Reverend Blair]

You defend the actions of your government at every turn, ITN. You take every criticism of them as a personal attack.

I really don't give a flying f*ck who you voted for, I wasn't in the booth with you. You display a my country right or wrong attitude in public that makes me want to puke though. You won't even entertain the mildest criticism of your president, no matter how wrong he is.

That isn't patriotism, ITN. It is, in fact, the opposite because your sycophancy allows you freedoms to be eroded and the rest of the world to come under attack. It is cowardice of the most despicable kind.

 

[I think not]

I'll bet you were one of those people that still believ the whole WMD story too... :roll:

No I don't believe it, since you asked the question. I never did.

...and my anger has nothing to do with whether or not you snapped back...my anger is directed at your blase attitude towards the crimes against humanity that are being perpetrated by your military at the behest of your government...

You really need to govern your emotions a little bit Vanni, no offense. But crimes against humanity is YOUR opinion. There are just as many people in the world who do not think the way you do. And I DO NOT, condone crimes against humanity for crying outloud.

If I were to say that the 911 victims deserved to die that day, that would probably set you off...and rightly so...

Yes, I would, because they were people going to work, like those in London yesterday. But I have a hard time having sympathy for people that have "allegedly" attacked my country. this doesn't mean I mock torture, this means I think its not there, not to the extent everyone claims it is.

How is condoning the torture of those who have not been found guilty any different? How is supporting the flagrant contravention of the Geneva Convention any different.

The problem lies, that you believe the US government is intentionally torturing people at Gitmo. My issue is, that there is most likely -- I stress mostly likely -- a couple of nasty bastards within the army that implement it. That's our difference of opinion.

Millions died in World Wars I and II to prevent crap like this from happening...and you're acting like it's one big joke...that it's ok for the US to torture whomever they wish, because they feed them quiche...

Yeah, millions died in WWI & WWII and among them many Americans, and yet even there, people rush to crticise our participation. So, I'm sorry if I have a short fuse, but everywhere I turn there is extreme left criticism. It's as if the purpose of the US is to destroy everyone on the planet. I don't think so!!!!

I thought you were bigger than that, ITN...I guess I was wrong...

Well, I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but you have to realize, I can't keep being badgered because I have a different opinion than someone else. And on occassion, I snap back. I can never recall, inciting anyone unless I was provoked. And If did so, to you, then it was not intentional and I apologize if I did.

And pardon me for being blunt, but I'm alot bigger than you can imagine.

 

[I think not]

You defend the actions of your government at every turn, ITN. You take every criticism of them as a personal attack.

I really don't give a flying f*ck who you voted for, I wasn't in the booth with you. You display a my country right or wrong attitude in public that makes me want to puke though. You won't even entertain the mildest criticism of your president, no matter how wrong he is.

That isn't patriotism, ITN. It is, in fact, the opposite because your sycophancy allows you freedoms to be eroded and the rest of the world to come under attack. It is cowardice of the most despicable kind.

Your opinion Rev, thats all it is. Just your opinion.

 

[I think not]

right, and so is playing both sides think.

Sorry, I threw out my blinders when I was 19.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Your opinion Rev, thats all it is. Just your opinion.

No, you see...it's not just my opinion. It is an opinion shared by organisations that promote democracy and free speech all over the planet. The ACLU, HRW, AI, RSF. Everybody is expressing concern, ITN. I can toss out the initials of another dozen or so organisations if you like...in the US and internationally.

Stand up and take a look around. All of your friends are trying to help you and you are pointing guns at them to keep them away.

You know what, ITN? I want to be able to get blind drunk in a pool hall In Montana again and have a deputy named George drive me back to the hotel. I want to be able to sit in a bar in Minot and smoke a joint with some hippies from someplace south. I want to be able to sit in the tiniest bar in Minnesota and talk politics with the bartender.

You know what else? I'd get my ass kicked for any of those things these days. That's assuming, of course, that I was taken off whatever official enemies list that Mr. Bush has me on so I could actually get into your country.

Your country is a shadow of its former self. That's what happens when you cut the soul out.

 

[I think not]

No, you see...it's not just my opinion. It is an opinion shared by organisations that promote democracy and free speech all over the planet. The ACLU, HRW, AI, RSF. Everybody is expressing concern, ITN. I can toss out the initials of another dozen or so organisations if you like...in the US and internationally.

And I can toss out a couple of dozen countries that support us.

Stand up and take a look around. All of your friends are trying to help you and you are pointing guns at them to keep them away.

Yes, that makes alot of sense, who exactly is trying to help us and we are pointing guns at them?

You know what, ITN? I want to be able to get blind drunk in a pool hall In Montana again and have a deputy named George drive me back to the hotel. I want to be able to sit in a bar in Minot and smoke a joint with some hippies from someplace south. I want to be able to sit in the tiniest bar in Minnesota and talk politics with the bartender.

Well you can always do that on your side of the border, you had made it abundantly clear you are not interested in crossing anyway. So I see no reason why you want to complain about it now.

You know what else? I'd get my ass kicked for any of those things these days. That's assuming, of course, that I was taken off whatever official enemies list that Mr. Bush has me on so I could actually get into your country.

Perhaps when two extremists collide, it leads to no good.

Your country is a shadow of its former self. That's what happens when you cut the soul out.

That's what happens when Republicans run the country.

 

[Reverend Blair]

And I can toss out a couple of dozen countries that support us.

Can you? A couple dozen leaders maybe, but the citizens are another story.

Yes, that makes alot of sense, who exactly is trying to help us and we are pointing guns at them?

You never took English did you? They used to teach that kind of thing in high school English, but I guess you need to go to England if you want to learn it now...manufacturing widgets being so much more important than knowledge and all.

Well you can always do that on your side of the border, you had made it abundantly clear you are not interested in crossing anyway. So I see no reason why you want to complain about it now.

Just mourning the days before jingoism made conversation impossible. Also I'm pissed off as hell to have made one of your leader's arbitrary lists. It was bad enough when they banned Farley Mowatt, but at least he had the distinction of sombody knowing who the f*ck he was.

That's what happens when Republicans run the country.

And you defend them at every turn. When somebody disagrees you beller "anti-American". You have become one of them.

 

[I think not]

Can you? A couple dozen leaders maybe, but the citizens are another story.

Too bad the leaders run the country, eh? Like Paul Martin.

You never took English did you? They used to teach that kind of thing in high school English, but I guess you need to go to England if you want to learn it now...manufacturing widgets being so much more important than knowledge and all.

Still waiting for the friends list we point our guns at.

Just mourning the days before jingoism made conversation impossible. Also I'm pissed off as hell to have made one of your leader's arbitrary lists. It was bad enough when they banned Farley Mowatt, but at least he had the distinction of sombody knowing who the f*ck he was.

Don't forget to wear black when you mourn.

And you defend them at every turn. When somebody disagrees you beller "anti-American". You have become one of them.

I wouldn't be surprised if you wrote the book on anti-Americanism. I can make distinctions between governments and people, sorry to say you cannot.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/afx/2005/06/24/afx2110388.html

 

[I think not]

 

[Vanni Fucci]

My point exactly...the US is no better than those that they villify...

 

[I think not]

Much better than those we villify