Gitmo's 'gourmet fare'

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Gitmo's 'gourmet fare

"I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind. "

Full transcript of bin Ladin's speech Monday 01 November 2004

Now you're just going back and forth...I've already covered that one...the one that many people contend probably influenced the election results in 2004...I wonder who would have a motive to do that?

Quite timely that Osama...

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Gitmo's 'gourmet fare

"I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind. "

Full transcript of bin Ladin's speech Monday 01 November 2004

Now you're just going back and forth...I've already covered that one...the one that many people contend probably influenced the election results in 2004...I wonder who would have a motive to do that?

Quite timely that Osama...

I'm going back and forth and yet Al-Jazeera aired a fake tape? Did you see anywhere Al-Jazeera or anyone in the Arab world dispute it?

Please Vanni. If you're not serious about it, then lets drop it.

 

[Twila]

RE: Gitmo's 'gourmet fare

I would feel a whole lot better if I were able speak Arabic or had a close friend who did. But having to trust some......translator who may have "interests" seems...illogical to me.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Gitmo's 'gourmet fare

I would feel a whole lot better if I were able speak Arabic or had a close friend who did. But having to trust some......translator who may have "interests" seems...illogical to me.

Even from Al-Jazeera?

 

[Twila]

RE: Gitmo's 'gourmet fare

Even from......


I often hear people say or ask for things...I hear the words they use...and the answer they get...and see the frustration of both parties as they get all muddled up and confused. Simply over the usage of 1 or 2 words.

Would and could have to different meanings and yet are often used interchangeably.

I know that certain languages don't have words for certain creatures. Rather they have words that describe things about a creature.

so I wonder.........if any of the translation being made isn't tainted.....

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Gitmo's 'gourmet fare

Please Vanni. If you're not serious about it, then lets drop it.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOR112A.html

According to US officials the tape was found in a house in Jalalabad, eastern Afghanistan, and handed to the Pentagon by an unnamed person or group. Officials say Mr Bush first watched the tape in November but release was delayed until it could be authenticated. Independent translators were used to make sure the US could not be accused of twisting the words of the men on the film.

But for many the explanation is too convenient. Some opponents of the war theorise that the Bin Laden in the film was a lookalike, others claim images of him had been manipulated.

It was also pointed out that it was surprising that a man with the ability to organise the attacks on America would be naive enough to confess on tape. And some observers point out that Bin Laden appears to be wearing a ring on his right hand. In previous film of Bin Laden released by him, he has worn no jewellery apart from a watch.

Riaz Durrani, a spokesman for Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam, which spearheaded pro-Taliban rallies in Pakistan, said: "This videotape is not authen tic. The Americans made it up after failing to get any evidence against Osama."

Legal experts in the US said that prosecutors seeking to bring Bin Laden to justice would certainly be keen to produce the tape but might struggle to prove its authenticity.

Henry Hingson, a former president of the national association of criminal defence lawyers, said: "In this day and age of digital wizardry, many things can be done to alter its veracity."

On the other hand it would be foolish to fake a video confession, knowing that if Bin Laden is ever tried his defence team will have experts pore over the video.

Yes...it would be foolish, met with an unfortunate accident while in custody...

Either way, neither you nor I can confirm the veracity of this video nor the Bin Laden/Bush campaign video...I think it reeks of psy-op bullshit myself...

But hey, at least your angst has been focused on a suitable target of opportunity...

Still doesn't explain why the investigation into the USS Cole was impeded...but I guess we'll never know that, as the investigating officer died in one of the two towers...

 

[I think not]

Yes...it would be foolish, met with an unfortunate accident while in custody...

Either way, neither you nor I can confirm the veracity of this video nor the Bin Laden/Bush campaign video...I think it reeks of psy-op bullshit myself...

But hey, at least your angst has been focused on a suitable target of opportunity...

Still doesn't explain why the investigation into the USS Cole was impeded...but I guess we'll never know that, as the investigating officer died in one of the two towers...

Oh I dunno, since you're a big fan of science, I would imagine you have some link that provides scientific or professional opinions disputing the authenticity of the tapes?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Oh I dunno, since you're a big fan of science, I would imagine you have some link that provides scientific or professional opinions disputing the authenticity of the tapes?

What science could we possibly use in this instance ITN? The tapes were 'authenticated' by experts employed by the US government...unless they're willing to release the original tapes under a FOIA request, then we just have to take their word for it, don't we...

In absence of the original tapes and hence the science though, I'd like to apply a little logic...

For instance, is it logical for Bin Laden to have confessed to the crimes of orchestrating 911? When one considers that on 2 seperate occasions he denied any involvement in 911, and there was absolutely NO proof that he was involved in the attacks, regardless of how quickly the FBI threw his name onto the airwaves, it is extremely illogical for him to then confess.

What would he have gained by making that tape? Absolutely nothing...the US government on the other hand would have gained legitamacy for their exploits, whatever they may be...or so they would have thought...

Now then, an evil terrorist mastermind hiding in a cave pulls off the single most devastating terrorist attack in American history, repeatedly denies involvement, and then suddenly confesses to the crime, to the US government's political advantage? Somewhat hard to swallow for us thinking people...

...but then he wasn't really hiding though, was he...

...and then the 2004 video, 4 days before election...

...from the pictures of him in 1998, to the video released in 2001, Bin Laden was shown to have aged considerably, looking haggard and thin, and far more grey to his beard...logic would dictate that given his failing health and the fact that he is a fugitive in a harsh land, that his appearance would have continued to decline, yet the video released in 2004 portrays him as healthy as a horse, looking like he actually gained weight from his 2001 appearance...and he hadn't aged a bit...quite remarkable considering that he reputedly suffers from many ailments including some sort of kidney disease that requires dyalisis...but there he is, larger than life, and as you said, spilling his guts...

All Translators of 2001 Video Had Government and Military Connections

...yeah whatever dude... :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Vanni Fucci]

By the way...you do remember that your government promised proof of Bin Laden's guilt right?

Have you seen that proof, because I sure as hell haven't...

 

[manda]

I can't think of any "real" proof myself, I never know wether or not to trust those tapes...It seems like they are assuming guilt because of the previous bombing of the WTC. On one hand it makes sense, he did it before, he'd do it again, but at the same time, why would somebody attempt a bombing like that twice,knowing that they'd immediately be suspect?

 

[Jay]

Oh I dunno, since you're a big fan of science, I would imagine you have some link that provides scientific or professional opinions disputing the authenticity of the tapes?

What science could we possibly use in this instance ITN? The tapes were 'authenticated' by experts employed by the US government...unless they're willing to release the original tapes under a FOIA request, then we just have to take their word for it, don't we...

In absence of the original tapes and hence the science though, I'd like to apply a little logic...

For instance, is it logical for Bin Laden to have confessed to the crimes of orchestrating 911? When one considers that on 2 seperate occasions he denied any involvement in 911, and there was absolutely NO proof that he was involved in the attacks, regardless of how quickly the FBI threw his name onto the airwaves, it is extremely illogical for him to then confess.

What would he have gained by making that tape? Absolutely nothing...the US government on the other hand would have gained legitamacy for their exploits, whatever they may be...or so they would have thought...

Now then, an evil terrorist mastermind hiding in a cave pulls off the single most devastating terrorist attack in American history, repeatedly denies involvement, and then suddenly confesses to the crime, to the US government's political advantage? Somewhat hard to swallow for us thinking people...

In a word....recruitment…

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Not likely...

The video was of crappy quality, and was not filmed in the format that Bin Laden would normally address his followers...

As to the 2004 video, he didn't need a recruitment drive at that time, because Bush's invasion of Iraq would have provided him with plenty of eager recruits...

 

[I think not]

Well you can laugh, chuckle and throw a fit all you want Vanni. Fortunately many governments, including your own, believe there is terrorism. And thankfully they don't resort to the democraticunderground and indymedia outlets for information.

That's all it takes nowadays, a blogger, someone with a website and a cool conspiracy theory, and voila! The truth is out!

And what do they base everything on? Fuzzy videotapes, putting pieces of a non existant puzzle together. And ALL the mainstream media outlets ALL over the world adhere to all these secret conspiracies.

And none of them have ever proven to be correct I might add, because if they do, they aren't conspiracy theories anymore. They lose their luster!
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If you eat the bones of soft shell crabs, they may cause a rash. Torture!

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Well you can laugh, chuckle and throw a fit all you want Vanni. Fortunately many governments, including your own, believe there is terrorism. And thankfully they don't resort to the democraticunderground and indymedia outlets for information.

That's all it takes nowadays, a blogger, someone with a website and a cool conspiracy theory, and voila! The truth is out!

And what do they base everything on? Fuzzy videotapes, putting pieces of a non existant puzzle together. And ALL the mainstream media outlets ALL over the world adhere to all these secret conspiracies.

And none of them have ever proven to be correct I might add, because if they do, they aren't conspiracy theories anymore. They lose their luster!
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If you eat the bones of soft shell crabs, they may cause a rash. Torture!

Where's the evidence that your government promised that proves Osama did it ITN?

...or are those tapes it?

 

[I think not]

Well you can laugh, chuckle and throw a fit all you want Vanni. Fortunately many governments, including your own, believe there is terrorism. And thankfully they don't resort to the democraticunderground and indymedia outlets for information.

That's all it takes nowadays, a blogger, someone with a website and a cool conspiracy theory, and voila! The truth is out!

And what do they base everything on? Fuzzy videotapes, putting pieces of a non existant puzzle together. And ALL the mainstream media outlets ALL over the world adhere to all these secret conspiracies.

And none of them have ever proven to be correct I might add, because if they do, they aren't conspiracy theories anymore. They lose their luster!
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If you eat the bones of soft shell crabs, they may cause a rash. Torture!

Where's the evidence that your government promised that proves Osama did it ITN?

...or are those tapes it?

Apparently it was good enough for your government, (the one the Canadian people support) not to mention other governments. So I can't see what evidence you require. If the evidence that was presented isn't adequate for you, write a letter to your MP, and demand to know why Canadian soldiers are in Afghanistan when all this was a scam. Elementary my dear Watson.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

So then, we agree that there's no evidence apart from some dodgy video "confession", even though your government promised such evidence be revealed to the public within months of 9/11...

That said, there is no evidence that al-Qaeda was involved in any of the attacks, other than the aforementioned video "confession"...

Therefore, since there is no evidence that al-Qaeda, or Arabs, for that matter, were involved in the planning, or execution of the events of 9/11, and yet you support the torture of ANY Arabs that the US military chooses to indefinitely detain, without evidence or due process, maybe it's you that should be writing the letters ITN...maybe you and your countrymen should have made damn sure that your lying sack of shit government wasn't lying to you this time as well...

Might I suggest though, that you slam a few fingers in a door first, as perhaps some empathy for those you've ignorantly condemned to torture and death will come through in the words that you write...

I find lately, ITN, that my contempt for you grows with your every post...

 

[peapod]

Just like your government think does not speak for the entire united states population, neither does the canadian government speak for all canadians...and I do not find any humor in people being tortured.

 

[Frito lay]

Hmm... I think not, sounds like a closed conversationalist with a twist of narcisim. Dosen't everyone like a glow stick shoved up there ass... I THINK NOT.

 

[I think not]

So then, we agree that there's no evidence apart from some dodgy video "confession", even though your government promised such evidence be revealed to the public within months of 9/11...

The Contribution from these countries is enough evidence for me that they have been convinced.

That said, there is no evidence that al-Qaeda was involved in any of the attacks, other than the aforementioned video "confession"...

Apparently thats not the case. See above.

Therefore, since there is no evidence that al-Qaeda, or Arabs, for that matter, were involved in the planning, or execution of the events of 9/11, and yet you support the torture of ANY Arabs that the US military chooses to indefinitely detain, without evidence or due process, maybe it's you that should be writing the letters ITN...maybe you and your countrymen should have made damn sure that your lying sack of shit government wasn't lying to you this time as well...

Like I said, it's you that doesn't believe it. I don't have to write letters. I may not have trust in my government, but I tend to believe that when the world rallies behind the US in Afghanistan, maybe, just MAYBE, there is enough evidence and you just refuse to accept it to serve your pre-conceptions.

Might I suggest though, that you slam a few fingers in a door first, as perhaps some empathy for those you've ignorantly condemned to torture and death will come through in the words that you write...

No thanks, those are reserved for terrorists. Still waiting for the evidence on that also.

I find lately, ITN, that my contempt for you grows with your every post...

And I have found that lately that you have resorted to mockery and tantrums to get your point across.

 

[I think not]

Just like your government think does not speak for the entire united states population, neither does the canadian government speak for all canadians...and I do not find any humor in people being tortured.

You're right, governments don't speak for all their citizens. It's unfortunate however that they represent them. Such being the case, Paul Martin represents all Canadians.

Neither do I, do you find humor in terrorists blowing up people?